Some interesting articles on our search for GM and President. This team, IMO, has suffered from poor cap management and drafting since the cap was put in place. What this team needs most is someone that can manage the cap, make smart personnel decisions, and hit on first round picks especially and later round picks sometimes. We have sold low and bought high in most every instance. I love Coots but he should have been traded when his contract was ending and netted a big return. Risto, Hayes, JVR, Ellis, TD…the list of poor cap decisions is always endless. In this day and age, almost no players should play a whole career with one team. McDavid and the top stars maybe, anyone else no. You get young and/or in their prime talent for low/medium money and you sell right before their big payday. You find a young superstar, great give them big money long term, anyone else…pass. Problem is that this franchise wouldn’t know young talent if it shat on its chest.

article this morning about the flyers shopping ellis's contract.

And BTW, the reason I want to the Flyers to do everything they can to get Fantilli is I see a lot Matthew Tkachuk in his game.

I don't agree. Florida gave up Jonathan Huberdeau, MacKenzie Weegar, prospect Cole Schwindt and a conditional first-round pick in 2025 to get Tkachuk. The Flyers could have put a competing package together and I think include players that would fit in much better with the style Sutter wanted to play.
- jd250

Are you being serious here? I seriously can't tell.

There is no package the Flyers could have put together that even vaguely resembles what Florida had to trade. It's not even in the same universe or dimension.

this makes no sense as you continually reply to my comments I make to other posters. but i'm the troll. sure thing
- Peter Richards

It's an open discussion board where posters routinely reply to comments posters make to other posters. You aren't in a PM situation here. LOL Again, today, you made posts that were not hockey related and were instead personal comments that were unwarranted and unsolicited. That's trolling.

i would say they are the elite. puts them in another category. maybe not krejci,but there are always exceptions to the rule.
- Peter Richards

Exactly. Oh and did G say 'Hi' from the golf course again?

It's an open discussion board where posters routinely reply to comments posters make to other posters. You aren't in a PM situation here. LOL Again, today, you made posts that were not hockey related and were instead personal comments that were unwarranted and unsolicited. That's trolling.
- MJL

and what i said is factual and hockey related.

please provide the evidence of the bolded

i would say they are the elite. puts them in another category. maybe not krejci,but there are always exceptions to the rule.
- Peter Richards

Generally if a team is gonna risk a retirement contract on anybody they tend to be top-end players. Coots and JG were that when they signed their deals.

Are you being serious here? I seriously can't tell.

There is no package the Flyers could have put together that even vaguely resembles what Florida had to trade. It's not even in the same universe or dimension.
- MBFlyerfan

Ok .. and how did this package work out for Calgary this year? Oh that's right .. they missed the playoffs and Sutter was fired. I think the Flyers could have at least competed for Tkachuk and what bothers me is from what I know they didn't even try.

It's an open discussion board where posters routinely reply to comments posters make to other posters. You aren't in a PM situation here. LOL Again, today, you made posts that were not hockey related and were instead personal comments that were unwarranted and unsolicited. That's trolling.
- MJL

is calling someone an embarrassment trolling?

What personal comment was made in in his post? the one you replied he was "trolling"?

Ok .. and how did this package work out for Calgary this year? Oh that's right .. they missed the playoffs and Sutter was fired. I think the Flyers could have at least competed for Tkachuk and what bothers me is from what I know they didn't even try.
- jd250

doesn tmatter how it worked out.

Answer my question on what type of package the flyers could have offered to match or beat that? name names and an offer

What about Charlie O'Connor at the Athletic?

People on this site, sure, we're all speculating but there's more people than just Bill that know what's going on. Charlie has broken much news about the Flyers in the last year that Bill either didn't know or at least admit to knowing about the front office.

The Blackhawks benefitted from the owner dying and his son took over. The Flyers went in the opposite direction after Snyder sold to Comcast and Comcast is never going away. The Blackhawks also managed to hide sexual assault allegations during their Stanley Cup run years so there is that as well. I imagine that those teams might have been different if people were fired or had gone to jail. Not quite the legacy Scott Bowman intended when he got his son Stan the GM job after Tallon built the team.

But on the hockey side, those Chicago Stanley cup teams had, in consecutive drafts : 3rd overall, 7th overall, 3rd overall, 1st overall picks with the last 3rd overall and 1st overall being Kane and Toews. Good luck on the Flyers doing that.

If the Flyers go forward with having a Troika of people in charge and making the PoHo a glorified salesman for Gritty dolls the org could enter new depths. Tortorella will eat the other 2 alive. Well not Briere because he will go along to get along imho so he's not really a threat to Torts control. If Briere or the PoHo are not his bosses why should he listen to them? They can't make him do anything and who would have the power to fire him?
- Flyers_01

Does Charlie O'Connor post on these boards?

Does Charlie O'Connor post on these boards?
- SuperSchennBros

I hear he has several duals on here, though cant confirm.

funny how some claim to be.
- Peter Richards

Yes, it is funny. “I know exactly what’s going on!” Shut up! No you don’t!

Ok .. and how did this package work out for Calgary this year? Oh that's right .. they missed the playoffs and Sutter was fired. I think the Flyers could have at least competed for Tkachuk and what bothers me is from what I know they didn't even try.
- jd250

That isn't the point. The trade happened before the season started. And there are no players the Flyers could have traded that matched what Florida had to trade at the time of the trade. You simply cant do what you always do and move the goalposts every time you put out some nonsense opinion. It turns out to be wrong only to wet your finger and stick it up in the wind and act like your new opinion is what you always thought.

But Ill bite, who do you think the Flyers could have offered to match what Florida offered at the time of the trade?

yet you think a guy off 2 back surgeries who has a ton of hard mileage on his body before the surgeries will age well. Interesting.

The funny thing is you know the coach will run ex selke into the ground as long as he is coach.
- hello it's me 2050

I think Coots may surprise some next year and maybe even for a couple of years. Unfortunately though a bad back is a bad back…it can creep up at any time. It’s a physical game and Coots goes to those area’s wear he’s going to get hit. It’s a shame but I don’t see or have the confidence that at he’ll even be in the league at 35.

I think Coots may surprise some next year and maybe even for a couple of years. Unfortunately though a bad back is a bad back…it can creep up at any time. It’s a physical game and Coots goes to those area’s wear he’s going to get hit. It’s a shame but I don’t see or have the confidence that at he’ll even be in the league at 35.
- landros 2

right, he didn't have surgery, but think of Vinny L.

But Ill bite, who do you think the Flyers could have offered to match what Florida offered at the time of the trade?
- MBFlyerfan

Flyers' best dman Risto and rights to the true Jack Adams winner. Maybe throw in the "AHL player" as a bag of pucks.

Flyers' best dman Risto and rights to the true Jack Adams winner. Maybe throw in the "AHL player" as a bag of pucks.
- Tomahawk

Also need to keep in mind the cap hits to match Tkachucks 9.5 aav if that helps.

Some interesting articles on our search for GM and President. This team, IMO, has suffered from poor cap management and drafting since the cap was put in place. What this team needs most is someone that can manage the cap, make smart personnel decisions, and hit on first round picks especially and later round picks sometimes. We have sold low and bought high in most every instance. I love Coots but he should have been traded when his contract was ending and netted a big return. Risto, Hayes, JVR, Ellis, TD…the list of poor cap decisions is always endless. In this day and age, almost no players should play a whole career with one team. McDavid and the top stars maybe, anyone else no. You get young and/or in their prime talent for low/medium money and you sell right before their big payday. You find a young superstar, great give them big money long term, anyone else…pass. Problem is that this franchise wouldn’t know young talent if it shat on its chest.
- darkerens

All those moves….Risto, Coots, Hayes, TDA, , Ellis were moves to compete now. The organization has finally moved to a direction where by all Fletchers moves look both stupid and incompetent. The major problem this team has now is un doing what in some cases is a problem or a mistake that can only be solved by time. I’d love to move on from every guy over 26 but in todays cap world that’s not easy. I know some think Hayes buyout is out of the question but the cap penalties are really only an issue if you intend to use that cap space for something else.

Also need to keep in mind the cap hits to match Tkachucks 9.5 aav if that helps.
- MBFlyerfan

Just trade Kevin Hayes to Boston, problem solved.

I don't agree. Florida gave up Jonathan Huberdeau, MacKenzie Weegar, prospect Cole Schwindt and a conditional first-round pick in 2025 to get Tkachuk. The Flyers could have put a competing package together and I think include players that would fit in much better with the style Sutter wanted to play.
- jd250

This is hilarious - Outside of TK and maybe Provy the Flyers really do not have anyone that realistically would garner a 1st round pick yet alone a player like Tkachuk

That isn't the point. The trade happened before the season started. And there are no players the Flyers could have traded that matched what Florida had to trade at the time of the trade. You simply cant do what you always do and move the goalposts every time you put out some nonsense opinion. It turns out to be wrong only to wet your finger and stick it up in the wind and act like your new opinion is what you always thought.

But Ill bite, who do you think the Flyers could have offered to match what Florida offered at the time of the trade?
- MBFlyerfan

Its true the Flyers didn't have anyone on their team or in their system that could have competed with the point totals of Huber, however I think the Flyers could have offered something like TK, Laughts and either Provey/Sanheim, plus a prospect and a 1st round pick. It may have not been enough but this could have been a starting point. TK and Laughts combined score more goals than Huber plus are grittier and play more in the style Sutter wanted to play. Provey is better than Weeger defensively.

article this morning about the flyers shopping ellis's contract.
- Peter Richards

Link?

Just trade Kevin Hayes to Boston, problem solved.
- Tomahawk

lolz