You guys should tank, what a joke of a franchise you are.
- DraftandDestroy

Nice Avatar tool.

For me it's Reinbacher or trade the pick, you can maybe get your 3LC or a D or else dump a bad contract with it (like a Garland, Boeser, etc) and maybe get a 2nd rounder back to help restock the cupboards.
- DariusKnight

I think we had better odds at Bedard than we do picking Reinbacher at 11.. so many teams above us need a young D prospect and will take him

It’s not the same for the bottom 16 teams as it is for the top 16 teams. You’ve done extremely well if you pick two kids who make the NHL full time.
- DraftandDestroy

That's wrong but nice try. Depends on who is picking where, how many picks, in what rounds expectations are different. Byron Bader even put out an expectation for the draft this year as it stands.

https://twitter.com/Byron...KMU121t0uGk_PoSrwy3g&s=19

Wouldn’t be the worst pick…

https://thehockeywriters....3-nhl-mock-draft-lottery/

Makes Gavrikov even more needed.

Hughes Hronek
Gavrikov ASP
OEL Myers

3rd pair needs future size & mean
- Nighthawk

Junk yard dog.

I think we had better odds at Bedard than we do picking Reinbacher at 11.. so many teams above us need a young D prospect and will take him
- NewYorkNuck

The scouts say he’s probably going to be picked too high, he’d be a reach at #11, apparently. If they want him they should trade down and recoup a pick. Didn’t you read the athletic blog?

The scouts say he’s probably going to be picked too high, he’d be a reach at #11, apparently. If they want him they should trade down and recoup a pick. Didn’t you read the athletic blog?
- LeftCoaster

How many times have you seen the Canucks trade down in 50+ years?

They will hardly be able to contain themselves their undersized winger is still on the board!

The scouts say he’s probably going to be picked too high, he’d be a reach at #11, apparently. If they want him they should trade down and recoup a pick. Didn’t you read the athletic blog?
- LeftCoaster

Where?

The scouts say he’s probably going to be picked too high, he’d be a reach at #11, apparently. If they want him they should trade down and recoup a pick. Didn’t you read the athletic blog?
- LeftCoaster

The scouts/Athletic said he'd be a reach but that he's going to be taken high. Zero chance the Canucks are able to trade back AND take him.

Wheeler :

6. Arizona Coyotes: David Reinbacher, RHD, EHC Kloten

My rank: No. 15

It’s my expectation that Reinbacher, the consensus top D prospect in this class, will be picked in the 5-8 range based on the teams drafting there. I also expect that the Coyotes, the only team with two picks in the front half of the first round, will take a defenceman with one of their choices after having drafted forwards Logan Cooley, Conor Geekie and Dylan Guenther with each of their last three top picks. Knowing that Reinbacher isn’t likely to be there when it’s their turn again at No. 12, and knowing the quality of the talent pool at forward, I suspect their most likely play is to go D first because there are fewer of them to come by in this class. If they go forward here, though, keep an eye on Slovak Dalibor Dvorsky.

Pronman:

5. Montreal Canadiens: David Reinbacher, D, Kloten (SWISS)

In the staff mock, Michkov going No. 4 led to Reinbacher getting to Arizona at No. 6. In this scenario, I think Montreal jumps at the top defense prospect in the class. Either way, I don’t think Reinbacher lasts very long on draft day.

Dayal:

History suggests David Reinbacher is unlikely to be available for the Canucks

The top of the 2023 draft class is very forward-heavy.

The consensus top defenceman is David Reinbacher, a smooth-skating, two-way, 6-foot-2 presence. He’s a right-shot player too, which has made him an intriguing name for Canucks fans, who’d love to see the club find a long-term stud to complement Quinn Hughes.

Vancouver’s inability to draft and develop homegrown top-four defencemen besides Hughes under the last regime is a big reason why the club has had to take risky bets to add blue-line talent in previous years. That included the Tyler Myers signing, the Nate Schmidt trade and the Oliver Ekman-Larsson trade, with two of the three turning into big problems and contributing to the cap crunch today.

Nobody likes to just give away young, talented, cost-controllable defenders. That means if you have blue-line deficiencies, you have to pay a premium price on the trade market (eg: Filip Hronek trade), acquire a risky contract via free agency/trade or roll the dice on an unproven player and hope they break out.

For all of those reasons, you can understand why Reinbacher’s one of the top names that fans are interested to know more about.

Based on the public draft rankings, you’d think there’s a decent chance he’d be available for the Canucks at No. 11. He’s appeared top-10 on a couple of lists but falls mid-to-even the second half of the first round in others.

History suggests that the odds of him slipping out of the top 10 and becoming an option for the Canucks are pretty low. Since the 1994 NHL lockout, every single draft class has included at least one defenceman going off the board inside the top 10. In fact, there have been at least two defenders drafted inside the top 10 for 16 consecutive years dating back to 2007.

You’d have to go back 40 years to find a draft where not a single defender went in the top 10. That would be the 1983 draft which was loaded with Steve Yzerman, Pat LaFontaine, Cam Neely, John MacLean and Russ Courtnall in the top 10, among others. Every single forward taken in that range played at least 300 career NHL games.

Most teams and managers (including Patrik Allvin on Monday) will say that they’re simply going to take the best player available but that’s not how it always plays out. Clubs often cave to the urgency to address positional weaknesses, even though it may mean reaching to do so. Whether it’s influenced by need or not, we’ve definitely seen some defencemen taken earlier than expected in recent drafts.

Kevin Korchinski was ranked 16th in consolidated 2022 draft rankings but ended up going seventh to the Blackhawks. Anaheim’s selection of Pavel Mintyukov wasn’t a “reach” but he went No. 10 despite being 13th in consolidated rankings. That’s why higher-touted wingers like Jonathan Lekkerimaki, Joakim Kemell and Brad Lambert slipped. Nobody can forget Detroit shockingly taking Moritz Seider with the sixth pick either in 2019.

Colleague Scott Wheeler touched on the topic of when the first defender will go in his immediate takeaways article following the draft lottery.

“I could see the Coyotes, with two picks in the top 12, using the first on Reinbacher at No. 6 to make sure they land him, knowing they’ll be able to get a high-end forward at No. 12 with the pick they acquired from the Senators in the Jakob Chychrun deal. The Coyotes have drafted three forwards (Logan Cooley, Conor Geekie and Dylan Guenther) with their last three top picks.”

“If the Coyotes don’t take him at No. 6, I could also see the Flyers, who’ve used both of their last two first-round picks on forwards (Cutter Gauthier and Tyson Foerster), going that route.

“The Capitals, if Michkov is gone, could also use a blue-chip D prospect after using their last three first-round selections on forwards (Ivan Miroshnichenko, Hendrix Lapierre and Connor McMichael). In Washington’s case, if they have their sights set on continuing to push for the playoffs so long as Ovechkin is Ovechkin, then the appeal of a Reinbacher could be doubly enticing.

“Either way, I wouldn’t bet on Reinbacher’s being there past No. 8 with this draft order.”

If you’re a fan of Reinbacher, you should be hoping a surprise defender other than him somehow goes top 10. If you have reservations about Reinbacher’s upside, on the other hand, perhaps this is a blessing in disguise.

Weird things happen during the draft so never say never, but history doesn’t seem to favour the odds of Reinbacher being available at No. 11.

Nice Avatar tool.
- LordHumungous

He should use this one

The scouts/Athletic said he'd be a reach but that he's going to be taken high. Zero chance the Canucks are able to trade back AND take him.

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Dayal:
- NewYorkNuck

I don’t think he’s going top 10 unless someone reaches, which is possible. With the addition of a 25 year old Hronek isn’t Rein the same type of player? Myers only has a year left and Bear won’t be re-signed imo, so it does make sense. Just putting it out there. Wouldn’t the team be better off to address their complete lack of center depth?

I don’t think he’s going too 10 unless someone reaches, which is possible. With the addition of a 25 year old Hronek isn’t Rein the same type of player? Myers only has a year left and Bear won’t be re-signed imo, so it does make sense. Just putting it out there. Wouldn’t the team be better off to address their complete lack of center depth?
- LeftCoaster

Easier just to trade for one.

Easier just to trade for one.
- VanHockeyGuy

Then trade a 2nd the next year to get rid of him.
Most mock drafts I’ve seen have the Canucks selecting the Swedish D, Sandin Pellikka, which makes sense given his nationality.

Then trade a 2nd the next year to get rid of him.
Most mock drafts I’ve seen have the Canucks selecting the Swedish D, Sandin Pellikka, which makes sense given his nationality.
- K-man25

Sad, however understandable if that's a prerequisite.

Easier just to trade for one.
- VanHockeyGuy

Trade it (#11) to Arizona for Barrett Hayton?

The scouts/Athletic said he'd be a reach but that he's going to be taken high. Zero chance the Canucks are able to trade back AND take him.

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Dayal:
- NewYorkNuck

On Dayal

I do have reservations on Reinbacher if available at 11oa. Generally leery of picking D high in the 1st round without realistic top 2D ceiling. Being it’s not a heavy elite D Draft much to my chagrin I hope a C falls to us. ASP is intriguing but leaves us still needing size & a few defensive D. The UFA route is more likely when or if we can dump cap.

I don’t think he’s going top 10 unless someone reaches, which is possible. With the addition of a 25 year old Hronek isn’t Rein the same type of player? Myers only has a year left and Bear won’t be re-signed imo, so it does make sense. Just putting it out there. Wouldn’t the team be better off to address their complete lack of center depth?
- LeftCoaster

RHD is priority but this draft doesn’t line up well for us. I see us taking a C for as you say lack of depth.

I don’t think he’s going top 10 unless someone reaches, which is possible. With the addition of a 25 year old Hronek isn’t Rein the same type of player? Myers only has a year left and Bear won’t be re-signed imo, so it does make sense. Just putting it out there. Wouldn’t the team be better off to address their complete lack of center depth?
- LeftCoaster

I don't think many people have him ranked top 10, but a lot of teams have desperate need for D and he's the #1 D prospect in the draft. I think you'll see him go top 10 for sure. The plus side of that is that *hopefully* one of the better Cs drops and the Canucks take him – that is if they don't trade the pick. Which, at this point, I've accepted as a clear reality.

The Canucks have a lack of RHD and C depth... so they have lots to address

On Dayal

I do have reservations on Reinbacher if available at 11oa. Generally leery of picking D high in the 1st round without realistic top 2D ceiling. Being it’s not a heavy elite D Draft much to my chagrin I hope a C falls to us. ASP is intriguing but leaves us still needing size & a few defensive D. The UFA route is more likely when or if we can dump cap.
- Nighthawk

I think in that same Dayal article he said next year's D crop is so much better than this years... things to think on

I don't think many people have him ranked top 10, but a lot of teams have desperate need for D and he's the #1 D prospect in the draft. I think you'll see him go top 10 for sure. The plus side of that is that *hopefully* one of the better Cs drops and the Canucks take him – that is if they don't trade the pick. Which, at this point, I've accepted as a clear reality.

The Canucks have a lack of RHD and C depth... so they have lots to address
- NewYorkNuck

He’s projected as a second pairing, soft, dman, I think he goes 11-19.

Trade it (#11) to Arizona for Barrett Hayton?
- LeftCoaster

Not sure about ARI but I'm sure it's on the table for the right piece.

One thing you don't hear about is how teams evaluate the players background and character. Shane Wright was supposed to go #1 last year, dropped to 4. Lots can still change here, see what it looks like after the combine.

He’s projected as a second pairing, soft, dman, I think he goes 11-19.
- LeftCoaster

Seider was ranked in the 20s... teams reach for D, especially RHD. We shall see

One thing you don't hear about is how teams evaluate the players background and character. Shane Wright was supposed to go #1 last year, dropped to 4. Lots can still change here, see what it looks like after the combine.
- VanHockeyGuy

That's true. Some players are just hyped more than others. Wright had a nothing year for a player projected to go #1.

D are just not flashy picks but a #3 D is worth more than a middle 6 center. D are always picked higher than projected. Same as last season with Korchinski and minuytov last year.

Coyotes are looking prime to pass the Canucks in two years.
- DraftandDestroy

They've been looking "good in a couple years" since they moved from Winnipeg. You're as out of your element as Donny

Totally agree on the last paragraph.
Top 6 C at 11th is pushing it. Safest pick is still Reinbacher if there. I still can see a trade down or up in the cards. Down preferred.

11oa/Garland for from who?
- Nighthawk

According to Button, ASP is the best dman in this draft.