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hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 9 @ 3:45 PM ET
Today I’d agree but we’d both be wrong if we are trying to say it hasn’t been discussed
- black_francis

Discussed to what degree? Every team sits down end of year and goes through scenarios.

I can tell you that Danny boy at one point recently has/had no intention of moving Ivan hart TK or Laughton. They will move Ivan if he ask out. The rest they will have to be blown away to alter their "plan". None of them warrant blown away type offers.

They are mainly going to run it back with a few minor tweaks. Now that can certainly change.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 9 @ 3:46 PM ET
But not at pick 7 and not for the Flyers at this stage. Besides its possibe Reinbacher is picked by Arizona with pick 6. The Flyers need a stud center anyway. To me the aggressive play is to trade up and get Carlsson. Otherwise stand pat and get the best forward available with the most offensive upside, most likely Benson if he is still there. The only way I draft Michkov is if he is physically in the arena at draft time, so I can get my guards around him at all times.
- jd250

please provide an offer that you would make to Columbus to move the #3 pick. Thanks.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 9 @ 3:47 PM ET
The Flyers need everything. They shouldn't exclude defensemen.
- Pelle31Forever



Correct.

I just don't think any defenders are better then the forwards that could be had at 7
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
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May 9 @ 3:47 PM ET
The Flyers need everything. They shouldn't exclude defensemen.
- Pelle31Forever

BPA. Not a hard formula to follow.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 9 @ 3:53 PM ET
Discussed to what degree? Every team sits down end of year and goes through scenarios.

I can tell you that Danny boy at one point recently has/had no intention of moving Ivan hart TK or Laughton. They will move Ivan if he ask out. The rest they will have to be blown away to alter their "plan". None of them warrant blown away type offers.

They are mainly going to run it back with a few minor tweaks. Now that can certainly change.

- hello it's me 2050



I think Ivan will be moved. So many teams are looking for defenders I think he gets moved.

I did read something interesting the other day. It was Philly and Winnipeg. Wheeler would get moved to Philly for Ellis and then the Flyers would move Wheeler again. This way Winnipeg gets space when Ellis goes on LTIR.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

May 9 @ 3:58 PM ET
I'm not too sure why you think Philly should have won the lottery? You had a miniscule chance, and if you had your pathetic franchise would have blown it anyway like they did with the Nolan Patrick pick. Passed on Makar and Heiskenen and Pettersen. Not too smart
- GPHawksfan

As much as we deserve the lottery, a classes franchise like Chicago didn't even deserve to be in the running since they're a bunch of pedos
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

May 9 @ 4:04 PM ET
Admittedly, I have never seen Leonard play. However, the way he is being described sounds a lot like McLeod of the NJD. And, while he was a 1st round pick, he is still only good enough to play on the 4th line of a very good team......
- mr4tno


I'm not sure where you saw the comparison, but I know a little while ago I compared Oliver Moore to McLeod. Possible you switched them up?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 9 @ 4:08 PM ET
It would only make sense to get input into drafting since it’s the coach who determines ice time and line assignments. That’s not saying the coach should make the final call but definitely have his opinion heard.

It would be a huge risk to pick any Russian players since a potential backup goalkeeper couldn’t get out of the country let alone a star player.

- Hosher12

This isn’t the NFL where draft picks often step right in and play. The player they take at 7 almost certainly won’t play before 24-25 or just as likely 25-26. NHL coaches, especially ones in their mid 60s with 3 years left on a deal, rarely last more than another one or two years. Tortorella shouldn’t factor into this pick at all.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 9 @ 4:16 PM ET
This isn’t the NFL where draft picks often step right in and play. The player they take at 7 almost certainly won’t play before 24-25 or just as likely 25-26. NHL coaches, especially ones in their mid 60s with 3 years left on a deal, rarely last more than another one or two years. Tortorella shouldn’t factor into this pick at all.
- BiggE


Almost anything they do should be with and eye towards like 2025-2026 season. Clear cap, clear unwanted contracts, get prospects and picks. Maybe you do something like Chicago and sign a player on a one year deal only to flip at the deadline. Make take a shot on a reclamation project if available(Puljuarvi).




iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

May 9 @ 4:18 PM ET
That would be awesome. Then we would get to see him torture us for the next 13 years like Ovechkin did.

- MBFlyerfan

Haha! My thoughts precisely. If he is there, I fully expect the flyers to pass.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 9 @ 4:35 PM ET
Haha! My thoughts precisely. If he is there, I fully expect the flyers to pass.
- iamscore2day




It would be the most Flyers thing they could do.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 9 @ 4:35 PM ET
Almost anything they do should be with and eye towards like 2025-2026 season. Clear cap, clear unwanted contracts, get prospects and picks. Maybe you do something like Chicago and sign a player on a one year deal only to flip at the deadline. Make take a shot on a reclamation project if available(Puljuarvi).
- J35Bacher


That would make way too much sense for this franchise. I have zero faith in these clowns, and it’s on them to prove me wrong.
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

May 9 @ 4:41 PM ET
I'm not too sure why you think Philly should have won the lottery? You had a miniscule chance, and if you had your pathetic franchise would have blown it anyway like they did with the Nolan Patrick pick. Passed on Makar and Heiskenen and Pettersen. Not too smart
- GPHawksfan


Don’t gloat. You got this pick solely because the NHL wants a strong team in Chicago. As a franchise, you look pretty bad. As for your criticisms of Patrick, may you never have to go through all the physical things he has had to. That pick wasn’t like another of your teams using a #2 on Trubisky when Mahomes was on the board. That was a great pick. LOL
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 9 @ 4:58 PM ET
That would make way too much sense for this franchise. I have zero faith in these clowns, and it’s on them to prove me wrong.
- BiggE


I don't know. I would like to give Briere the benefit of the doubt until I see what happens. Fletcher is gone and so is Scott. Briere has an ego like everyone. Imagine if he could be the guy to bring the Flyers back to relevance and maybe get to a cup. I think he saw how this went and he actually has time with the fanbase knowing a rebuild was needed.

Let's see how things play out this offseason.
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bumfuck, NJ
Joined: 01.10.2015

May 9 @ 5:02 PM ET
Discussed to what degree? Every team sits down end of year and goes through scenarios.

I can tell you that Danny boy at one point recently has/had no intention of moving Ivan hart TK or Laughton. They will move Ivan if he ask out. The rest they will have to be blown away to alter their "plan". None of them warrant blown away type offers.

They are mainly going to run it back with a few minor tweaks. Now that can certainly change.

- hello it's me 2050


Ivan and the team are mutually going to part ways this summer/draft. i'll eat my hat if that's not the case.

i agree that i don't think tk or hart going anywhere as it stands now. if laughton ever got traded i'd imagine it would be a deadline deal. i think the team will bend over backwards to get him to a contender with a chance to win.
copelal
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Baltimore, MD
Joined: 03.12.2014

May 9 @ 5:09 PM ET
The reality, however, is that the team that drafts Michkov is taking a leap of faith that he'll be available to come to the NHL come 2026-27. That's not a certainty, given the political climate and the case-by-case current nature of trying to bring players over from the KHL to the NHL.


Don't know if anyone else has already said this, and I know it's rather cynical to say... but it wouldn't surprise me if the Russian gov't would actually block Michkov from coming over if the Flyers drafted him because of a grudge going back to the game in 1976... but not block him if someone else drafted him.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

May 9 @ 5:22 PM ET
All over in Toronto, 4 soft stars isn’t it. I think a lot oh folks on here need to look at that and realize there is a level of grit that’s needed to win. Not Torts grit but that ain’t it
BluehorseShoe64
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2018

May 9 @ 5:34 PM ET
https://thehockeywriters....l-draft-prospect-profile/

NHL Potential
While he may not be the sexiest pick on draft day, Leonard is the kind of player that every team wants on their roster. With his two-way play, I could see him slotting into a team’s third line after developing at Boston College for a few seasons. He has top-six potential that could be reached if everything goes well in his development, but I wouldn’t expect him to be a first-line forward given where his toolkit is at right now.

The Flyers can never have enough 200ft 3rd line players. Who needs generational offensive talent and players who would be genuine 1st line players on a cup contending team when you can grind away all day and bang a few bodies. Sounds like a supporting player, not a main act. Sounds like this kid's upside is Scott Laughton, does that sound like a wise use of a top 7 pick?


Sometimes these writers are not right. If you read enough blogs, it seems fairly common. But this kid Leonard is not "boring", or "3rd liner" or "vanilla". He's going to be a good player in this league. Just depends on how much seasoning he needs.

I say take your own eye test. There are enough web sites out there with videos of the top 10 picks. Although I'd prefer Oliver Moore over Leonard (pure speed baby), this kid is good too. They all played together on the same U.S. National team (Will Smith, Leonard, Moore and Perreault. Smith will be gone by 7 and Perreult is not a center. Benson is likely to be gone as well (not from U.S.) That leaves Moore or Leonard. Can't go wrong with either, but Moore is lightning fast, would help a less fast Flyers team get faster.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 9 @ 5:35 PM ET
All over in Toronto, 4 soft stars isn’t it. I think a lot oh folks on here need to look at that and realize there is a level of grit that’s needed to win. Not Torts grit but that ain’t it
- ClaudeFather



one of the 4 will have to go. It will be almost like they never won in round 1, if they don't come back and push a game 7. Nylander seems to be the one they will move.

Agree, it takes more than skill to win the cup.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 9 @ 5:37 PM ET
I don't know. I would like to give Briere the benefit of the doubt until I see what happens. Fletcher is gone and so is Scott. Briere has an ego like everyone. Imagine if he could be the guy to bring the Flyers back to relevance and maybe get to a cup. I think he saw how this went and he actually has time with the fanbase knowing a rebuild was needed.

Let's see how things play out this offseason.

- J35Bacher

Same garbage under Hextall
Same garbage under Cuckles
Hak to Gordon to AV to Yeo to the arrogant SOB Torts.

Sorry, I have zero faith in this franchise. They still have Flahr overseeing the scouts. Dave Brown, Kjell Samuelsson and Barry Hanrahan are all still getting paychecks. I liked Briere as a player, but until a lot more heads start to roll and they start operating like a team that is truly rebuilding, I’m not buying it.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 9 @ 5:37 PM ET
any draft heads have any insight on the next 2 draft classes, are they close to this past draft or more like the prior 2 years?
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

May 9 @ 5:38 PM ET
Don't know if anyone else has already said this, and I know it's rather cynical to say... but it wouldn't surprise me if the Russian gov't would actually block Michkov from coming over if the Flyers drafted him because of a grudge going back to the game in 1976... but not block him if someone else drafted him.
- copelal


I agree. I think that likely had something to do with the fedotov situation. No way they forgot the 1976 game.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
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Joined: 02.04.2009

May 9 @ 5:40 PM ET
Agree, it takes more than skill to win the cup.
- wcorvette


That's kind of why they added Schenn, ROR, Acciari and McCabe at the deadline.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

May 9 @ 5:42 PM ET
That's kind of why they added Schenn, ROR, Acciari and McCabe at the deadline.
- Tomahawk

All supplemental pieces, the guys brining you into the fight need to be the ones with some bite. Look at Crosby, mackinnon, those guys aren’t ever considered soft. Matthews and Marner have no fight in their game, great players, very good defensively, but they have no bite in their game.
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
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May 9 @ 5:43 PM ET
That's kind of why they added Schenn, ROR, Acciari and McCabe at the deadline.
- Tomahawk



yea, the grit needs to be one of the go to guys to also make the big play. I think maybe ROR might have thought to have been that, but he appears slow. Tkachuk seems to be the top end example, makes the play and has the edge. Mackinnon, even had it last season. Why only one team wins the cup, those players are not easy to find.
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