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I mean if he wants $10M+ per year...that's a real tough ask. I don't really know where my comfort zone lies with him.

History kinda shows that paying a goaltender major money like that rarely works out. Tampa did it but they a) have the benefit of no state tax and b) used the (frank) out of the LTIR loophole. And they also had some elite offensive and defensive talent that they were able to sign to, for the most part, below-market deals
- eichiefs9

Yep and I agree with all of this. Mentioned the last part in multiple posts which brings me back to the let’s just blow it up idea. Again, I’m not saying sign the guy for ten million. If he demands that let him get it elsewhere or trade him before hand which, as I’ve stated in that situation, I’m on board with. What I am saying is trading Sorokin in no way will make us a better team unless we’re actually blowing it up. If the idea is let’s trade Sorokin and get assets for that great let’s do it. (frank) it rip the bandaid off albeit a few months late imo. Now if the idea is let’s trade Sorokin to be competitive now I’ll say you’re nuts(not you or even UIF lol).

We don’t have young cost controlled talent, assets, in place or existing anything that will translate into that being a reality. The return won’t be enough to supersede losing him. What we would do with those assets if we traded Sorokin, and if lameriello is still most likely here, is trade them for the second coming of Horvat and follow it up with a comparably terrible contract for said player to do this nonsense for perpetuity. That’s reality.

Yeah there are a ton of factors. Timing probably being the biggest one contributor. Maturation probably in Ullmark’s case along with a team playing incredible. Team playing well in front of them in Andersen’s case to an elite level defense wise. My point is, will trading Sorokin really bring us the return that we will then have a good team that would make Freddie Andersen go deep in the playoffs? Will it open up enough cap space, give us the assets, the players, or whatever it is we need to be a complete team? I don’t think so. That’s hitting the lottery on the return imo. Also, then we have too find another goalie. Again, I see your point. Have from the beginning. I don’t agree with it but I see it.
- Cptmjl

Probably not. But maybe...I'd say the Carolina team, with all its injuries, that beat the Isles and Devils with Raanta and Andersen isn't exactly awash in elite talent either...

But the return for Sorokin combined with what can be done after next season with the money saved by not spending $8m on a goalie? That could make a pretty big difference...possibly more than rolling out the same team with Sorokin. It also goes a ways to create cap flexibility to fix a team that both of us believe has weaknesses beyond who's in net, whereas another monster contract just to maintain the status quo will never allow for that.

I'd also say it depends on the return. A team that believes it's overloaded on scoring but is only a goalie away might very well give up something really nice for a year of Sorokin at $4m. Lord knows we have no other trade chips.

That was more of a conceptual comment, not an actual suggestion

I enjoy having an amazing goaltender for the first time in my life, I'm not itching to change that
- eichiefs9

You would have loved the Billy Smith years chief.

Probably not. But maybe...I'd say the Carolina team, with all its injuries, that beat the Isles and Devils with Raanta and Andersen isn't exactly awash in elite talent either...

But the return for Sorokin combined with what can be done after next season with the money saved by not spending $8m on a goalie? That could make a pretty big difference...possibly more than rolling out the same team with Sorokin. It also goes a ways to create cap flexibility to fix a team that both of us believe has weaknesses beyond who's in net, whereas another monster contract just to maintain the status quo will never allow for that.

I'd also say it depends on the return. A team that believes it's overloaded on scoring but is only a goalie away might very well give up something really nice for a year of Sorokin at $4m. Lord knows we have no other trade chips.
- UIF

It's worth thinking about at the very least. I cannot believe there has not been a Lou announcement yet.

It's worth thinking about at the very least. I cannot believe there has not been a Lou announcement yet.
- ses111

I'm trying to convince myself while typing it all out because I'm not even sure if it's a good idea or crazy

I'm trying to convince myself while typing it all out because I'm not even sure if it's a good idea or crazy
- UIF

It's a good idea if it's a Herschel Walker type trade.

I'm trying to convince myself while typing it all out because I'm not even sure if it's a good idea or crazy
- UIF

It’s crazy until he says he wants 10 million. Then it’s a sane thought.

It’s crazy until he says he wants 10 million. Then it’s a sane thought.
- Cptmjl

8 million

8 million
- UIF

IF he keeps playing like this, which I think he will, I give him that without even thinking about it. I’d be happy as hell with that. In a few years he’ll be underpaid. I don’t even think we’ve seen the best of him yet.

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I mean if he wants $10M+ per year...that's a real tough ask. I don't really know where my comfort zone lies with him.

History kinda shows that paying a goaltender major money like that rarely works out. Tampa did it but they a) have the benefit of no state tax and b) used the (frank) out of the LTIR loophole. And they also had some elite offensive and defensive talent that they were able to sign to, for the most part, below-market deals
- eichiefs9

I say 8 mil over 3 years or 8.75 mil over 5 years. While he has been the backbone the last two years. He has not stolen the show. Had he won the Vez, a few rounds and maybe got the team to the finals, I would say 10 mil over 7 years.

The danger with under bidding on the years is that you can be paying a lot more later. Living on the edge.

IF he keeps playing like this, which I think he will, I give him that without even thinking about it. I’d be happy as hell with that. In a few years he’ll be underpaid. I don’t even think we’ve seen the best of him yet.
- Cptmjl

It's not like I'd be stomping mad if they re-sign him. I agree he'd be worth that money. But I also think it's probable that if the Isles pay it, they'll be a team with remarkable goaltending that peaked two years ago.

Also, as good as he is, I don't think we're going to see him get notably better...he'll be 28 when next season starts, so it's not like he's going to grow into his body or get any quicker, although I guess it's possible he'll pick up a trick or two having been in the league now for a little while.

It's not like I'd be stomping mad if they re-sign him. I agree he'd be worth that money. But I also think it's probable that if the Isles pay it, they'll be a team with remarkable goaltending that peaked two years ago.

Also, as good as he is, I don't think we're going to see him get notably better...he'll be 28 when next season starts, so it's not like he's going to grow into his body or get any quicker, although I guess it's possible he'll pick up a trick or two having been in the league now for a little while.
- UIF

I don’t think he’s fully adjusted to this league yet. You may disagree with me on that but that’s my opinion. Everything I read says he constantly is trying to improve his game. A legit competitor. I think he’s got a few years of peaking before we see his game start to fall off barring any significant injuries. He probably won’t win the vezina this year but he’s got one or two in him imo. I guess I’m just a bigger fan you god damn Sorokin hater.

I don’t think he’s fully adjusted to this league yet. You may disagree with me on that but that’s my opinion. Everything I read says he constantly is trying to improve his game. A legit competitor. I think he’s got a few years of peaking before we see his game start to fall off barring any significant injuries. He probably won’t win the vezina this year but he’s got one or two in him imo. I guess I’m just a bigger fan you god damn Sorokin hater.
- Cptmjl

- UIF

Something to talk about while there’s nothing to talk about.

Something to talk about while there’s nothing to talk about.
- Cptmjl

Absolutely

I’ve been saying this whenever I don’t “win” something but this site has been unusable for the most part for a few weeks now.

I’ve been saying this whenever I don’t “win” something but this site has been unusable for the most part for a few weeks now.
- potvin05

We’ve decided to trade Sorokin. Welcome back.

We’ve decided to trade Sorokin. Welcome back.
- Cptmjl

I thought you guys decided to trade everyone.

I thought you guys decided to trade everyone.
- JimmyP

Trade the franchise to Arizona. A real hockey town.

Side note: That vote failed last night, so no new arena for the Coyotes and Bettman's statement was pretty ominous for them. Think we'll be seeing them moved in relatively short order.

Trade the franchise to Arizona. A real hockey town.

Side note: That vote failed last night, so no new arena for the Coyotes and Bettman's statement was pretty ominous for them. Think we'll be seeing them moved in relatively short order.
- eichiefs9

Yeah, I saw that this morning. What else can he do. The question is where do they go and does it shake up the divisions.

Yeah, I saw that this morning. What else can he do. The question is where do they go and does it shake up the divisions.
- JimmyP

Well they still have three more years on their lease at Mullet. So I assume they have some time to figure it out and do whatever they need. I'd imagine they don't want to throw off the balance in the divisions now that they're all equal again. No idea where the move would take them though. Houston would make sense, but last I recall seeing was that the Rockets owner didn't have much interest in sharing the building with an NHL team. That could be wrong, that was a long time ago and I could be misremembering or things could have changed.

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Andy Strickland @andystrickland
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Hearing Salt Lake City appears to be the focus for the Arizona Coyotes internally among hockey ops. Obviously still in "early" stages. #Yotes

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Andy Strickland @andystrickland
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Hearing Salt Lake City appears to be the focus for the Arizona Coyotes internally among hockey ops. Obviously still in "early" stages. #Yotes
- eichiefs9

I wouldn't want to live in Salt Lake City. I wouldn't even want to go there as a visiting team.

I wouldn't want to live in Salt Lake City. I wouldn't even want to go there as a visiting team.


- JimmyP

For as much praise as that place gets it (frank)ing blows. I’ve been there multiple times. Bunch of crappy people live there. (frank) that place.

Would you pay him $9m or over? I feel like that's a lot for goaltending, but I also think the prevailing sentiment will be, "Are you crazy? Pay him what he wants!" Maybe it's worth it, and I do think Sorokin's one of the best, no doubt. But I wonder what that translates to as far as team success. An amazing goalie can carry a mediocre team with poor defense much further than it would otherwise go. But, just looking back the past several years for the Isles, I think they had solid goaltending with Lehner and Greiss (they won a Jennings Trophy), and with Varlomov, and with Sorokin. I think Sorokin's easily the best out of that group, but I don't think goaltending sunk the Isles with any of those other guys in net either.

Basically, I think it comes down to, is the premium paid worth it to go from an affordable "good enough" goalie to a well-paid elite one in today's NHL? I don't know where I stand on that. I think there's definitely a ceiling for me with goaltending, I'm just not sure what that ceiling is and if $9m is above it. If it's not, it's close.
- UIF

Remember when he was getting 5 million plus on his last deal from the internet GM's?
I think Lou will work out a favorable deal for Both him and the team with Max term.