I'd trade Matthews and Tavares and keep MArner + Nylander
- twiztedmike

Who is taking a soon to be 33 leadfooted 11 mil 3rd line C ???? Without a crazy think Knies - add…

Leafs got crushed with him out there-

You’re not getting 2 1sts for Willy - as great as he is.. and I love the guy…

Top 5 protected in 24 & 2 young quality D men one a Righty, Helleson, the other a lefty LaCombe - that’s the kind of deal Leafs should be looking for.
- dozerD10

Tanner Jeannot gets 5 draft picks at the deadline and Willy can't get two firsts?

Debrincat was traded with a year remaining for #7, and a 2nd and 3rd.

Gonna disagree for sure, if timed right I think they can do two firsts for Nylander.

Tanner Jeannot gets 5 draft picks at the deadline and Willy can't get two firsts?

Debrincat was traded with a year remaining for #7, and a 2nd and 3rd.

Gonna disagree for sure, if timed right I think they can do two firsts for Nylander.
- joel878

Usually I’m board with your takes… this one.. I got a little chuckle out of… just because those dummies ponied that up for those guys…

Willy could get 2 - 1sts I just don’t know if GM’s are gonna be looking to cut Leafs a good deal.

Usually I’m board with your takes… this one.. I got a little chuckle out of… just because those dummies ponied that up for those guys…

Willy could get 2 - 1sts I just don’t know if GM’s are gonna be looking to cut Leafs a good deal.
- dozerD10

Yeah, the Jeanott trade was terrible. Tough to use as a comparable.

Feel like the Debrincat trade was pretty fair market value though. I remember thinking at the time Chicago could have done better.

Not very often young 40 goal scorers become available, no trouble finding teams to pay up at that point it seems. I mean, you've already suggested a first rounder and a defenceman that was drafted at the top of round 2. You've practically suggested something real close to two 1st rounders as a starting point.

I'd trade Matthews and Tavares and keep MArner + Nylander
- twiztedmike

It is so unfortunate, so much talent on this team and they can’t put it together for playoff hockey. I truly believe the biggest mistake management made was to pick up JT. I remember thinking that the leafs were going to be tough for many years to come, a young core that needed seasoning but it was taken away from them with the arrival of JT. They gave him the C, and the rest is history. The money would have been better spent on a goalie, and a veteran D. Who gets traded this summer will be interesting, A.M. may chose to test the market, Nylander the same…. This team can be out of assets very soon.

Yeah, the Jeanott trade was terrible. Tough to use as a comparable.

Feel like the Debrincat trade was pretty fair market value though. I remember thinking at the time Chicago could have done better.

Not very often young 40 goal scorers become available, no trouble finding teams to pay up at that point it seems. I mean, you've already suggested a first rounder and a defenceman that was drafted at the top of round 2. You've practically suggested something real close to two 1st rounders as a starting point.
- joel878

True - I’m thinking it would have to be a player drafted already as opposed to 2 - 1sts esp as this yr and next are supposedly loaded -

But as you say players of Willys caliber don’t come into market often… well except last yr with Tkachuk -

I wonder in hindsight if Dubas would’ve done Marner for Tkachuk -

Reilly is way overpaid for what he brings. Send him out for a PP QB and cap relief.
- mventres

Reilly was the only one that stepped up and seemed to give a poop.

Debrincat was traded with a year remaining for #7, and a 2nd and 3rd.
- joel878

No, Debrincat was traded with 2 years remaining before he became a UFA.

Debrincat was 24, with 160 goals in 270 games, with 2 years of team control left.
Nylander is 27, with 177 goals in 521 games, with 1 year of team control left.

Expecting to get as much or more for Nylander as Blackhawks got for Debrincat is putting on some pretty massive Leafs goggles.

No, Debrincat was traded with 2 years remaining before he became a UFA.

Debrincat was 24, with 160 goals in 270 games, with 2 years of team control left.
Nylander is 27, with 177 goals in 521 games, with 1 year of team control left.

Expecting to get as much or more for Nylander as Blackhawks got for Debrincat is putting on some pretty massive Leafs goggles.
- Antilles

He had one year of contract left. No one was talking about team control, if anything that made him less appealing because he was up against a monster QO after 1 year.

True - I’m thinking it would have to be a player drafted already as opposed to 2 - 1sts esp as this yr and next are supposedly loaded -

But as you say players of Willys caliber don’t come into market often… well except last yr with Tkachuk -

I wonder in hindsight if Dubas would’ve done Marner for Tkachuk -
- dozerD10

He more than likely wouldn't have because he's been so steadfast in his core. Hes been willing to sink with that ship up until now.

I'd have interest in a 1st + high end prospect for Willy kind of deal, especially if we can work a decent 4th line centre in. But I'd want to have a hockey deal with Marner in line first.

Marner for Provorov, Konecny

Nylander for 24 1st, Zellweger, Derek Grant.

Sign Acciari, ROR, Schenn, Bertuzzi.

There, I just retooled the team without moving off my couch. 👀

He had one year of contract left. No one was talking about team control, if anything that made him less appealing because he was up against a monster QO after 1 year.
- joel878

I'm trying to figure out if you are serious. Like... you think a player where the team can choose between a QO of 9m or just making him a UFA is somehow less appealing than a player where the team has no choice, player just automatically becomes a UFA?

A team trading for DeBrincat knew, that if he had no interest in signing a long term contract with them, they could trade him for a sizable return from a team he will extend with. Exactly the way Flames did with Tkachuk. Meanwhile, if Nylander has no interest in a long term contract, the team acquiring him will lose him for practically nothing.


The fact teams were trading for 2 years of team control of DeBrincat is massively important. The fact you want to ignore it doesn't change that. Nylander is a impending UFA. Trying to justify Leafs goggle trade values by comparing him to impending RFAs is silly. Compare him to other impending UFAs, and the average of those players returns will give you the actual ballpark of what he's worth trade wise.

He more than likely wouldn't have because he's been so steadfast in his core. Hes been willing to sink with that ship up until now.

I'd have interest in a 1st + high end prospect for Willy kind of deal, especially if we can work a decent 4th line centre in. But I'd want to have a hockey deal with Marner in line first.

Marner for Provorov, Konecny

Nylander for 24 1st, Zellweger, Derek Grant.

Sign Acciari, ROR, Schenn, Bertuzzi.

There, I just retooled the team without moving off my couch. 👀
- joel878

I’d do that deal - I’d swallow hard though … because baby Z is going to be really really good - Grant whatever -

With That beast Gaucher and Lundy were set on bottom C’s esp with Fantilli coming in …also -

Feel like a big hockey trade is needed, not so much unlike what Florida did with Tkachuk.

Marner for Provorov and Konecny. 👀
- joel878

I’d be surprised if Jones and Danny B traded Konecny, the closest thing to an old time Flyer as their first move

I'd trade Matthews and Tavares and keep MArner + Nylander
- twiztedmike

Matthews yes, Tavares NMC.

Didn't plan to drop in tonight. Doing laundry and waiting for it to end, so I took a look. Some good idea's, some bad or ridiculous idea's. I figure Dubas gets a new contract. Keefe? Not so much. Maybe find a place for Spezza behind the bench.

On the core 4, I figure Willy is gone, but I'd rather see Marner gone instead. Matthews? That's a tough call. He's an elite centre and shows that he can score over 40 goals, consistently, each year. I look at his total skill set and it is impressive. His issues might be the need for bigger wingers to complement his skill. Too bad the Leafs couldn't acquire a Tom Wilson type, that can play but also go off the deep end on those who want to FA&FO. I think of Eric Lindros and what the Flyers did, giving him a large bodied set of wingers, the Legion of Doom. Maybe doing the same with Matthews could give him an edge. Marner is ice-capades, playing well in the regular season and doing very little in the playoffs.

Unfortunately for Nylander, he plays with a boat anchor, in John Tavares. Willy is at his apex right now and will soon probably be heading in a downward trajectory. Time to sell high and recoup the draft picks, or defenseman that this team really needs. This core cannot continue the way it's constructed. Maybe it's time to find another 2nd line centre and move Tavares to the wing. We'll see what happens soon enough.

The defense is in need of a facelift. Holl gone, Gio and Brodie should also follow. I hear Dumba is available. Maybe an opportunity awaits. Goaltending is fine. Coaching, forget about it. Time to go in another direction.

I'd trade Matthews and Tavares and keep MArner + Nylander
- twiztedmike

Tavares is pretty hard to trade with that NMC. Trading both him and Matthews leaves little up the middle.

Matthews, Marner and Nylander have good trade value. I highly doubt more than 1 is moved, if any.

I'm trying to figure out if you are serious. Like... you think a player where the team can choose between a QO of 9m or just making him a UFA is somehow less appealing than a player where the team has no choice, player just automatically becomes a UFA?

A team trading for DeBrincat knew, that if he had no interest in signing a long term contract with them, they could trade him for a sizable return from a team he will extend with. Exactly the way Flames did with Tkachuk. Meanwhile, if Nylander has no interest in a long term contract, the team acquiring him will lose him for practically nothing.


The fact teams were trading for 2 years of team control of DeBrincat is massively important. The fact you want to ignore it doesn't change that. Nylander is a impending UFA. Trying to justify Leafs goggle trade values by comparing him to impending RFAs is silly. Compare him to other impending UFAs, and the average of those players returns will give you the actual ballpark of what he's worth trade wise.
- Antilles

Are you purposely trying to be a female genitalia or do you come across it naturally?

I said Nylander was a comparable player in that 40 goal scorers don't come available too often. If you think that meant I was saying he is worth every penny of what Debrincat was, you made your own storyline.

There are plenty of pending UFA's traded with about 25 games remaining on their contract every single year for a 1st plus 2-3 other assets. Tyler Bertuzzi was worth a 1st and another draft pick ffs. Literally happens every year. If you don't think Nylander can return something in the same realm as what Debrincats pricetag was I don't know what to tell you.

I think Nylander is a great hockey player. I wanted the Nucks to draft him instead of JV. At this point I'd have a hard time trading for him and giving the Leafs proper value. You'd need to have a reasonable extension in place, at a minimum.

run it back👍

hopefully the refs or babs, freddy n hockey will change👍🏿

the bois r gettin pointz n doin sick snipez n dirty danglez 👍

as long as they look good on the runway walking in and they’re having fun in the change room with kweef n kylie i’m happy 👍🏿

their’s always next year 👊

Most of this is probably true.

The unfortunate part is, of the Core 4, Willy was the best guy in the playoffs. And, he also has the most attractive contract of the 4.

But, Marner going nowhere, he is the local sweetheart. Tavarez full "No-trade". he is there until contract ends. Matthews tough case. Great goal scorer. 0 goals and 2 assists in 5 games vs Florida?. awful. But, how can you move such a great goal-scorer. Very tough.

I know, if any of the 4 go anywhere...it is Willy....just don't know if it helps much, or if Dubas would even really do it.
- hawk35

Tavares is released to save money on contract. Marner is another story. O’reily is a stud.
So you want him sign him.

GM Dubas is a joke. No one in the league wants him. You need to have a gritty team like old
Tampa, past St. Louis and now panthers.
Enuf said…to have a playoff team. Who cares about how you did in regular season

It is so unfortunate, so much talent on this team and they can’t put it together for playoff hockey. I truly believe the biggest mistake management made was to pick up JT. I remember thinking that the leafs were going to be tough for many years to come, a young core that needed seasoning but it was taken away from them with the arrival of JT. They gave him the C, and the rest is history. The money would have been better spent on a goalie, and a veteran D. Who gets traded this summer will be interesting, A.M. may chose to test the market, Nylander the same…. This team can be out of assets very soon.
- Slimvinnie

You are dead on.

True - I’m thinking it would have to be a player drafted already as opposed to 2 - 1sts esp as this yr and next are supposedly loaded -

But as you say players of Willys caliber don’t come into market often… well except last yr with Tkachuk -

I wonder in hindsight if Dubas would’ve done Marner for Tkachuk -
- dozerD10

You have to get off of your hope Island thinking Marner and the other forwards are that valuable. The third liner on panthers, lundell is more
Valuable than Marner. He just happened to play with higher caliber player on his line. The guy is only a 3rd liner elsewhere….seriouslyyyyyy

Tanner Jeannot gets 5 draft picks at the deadline and Willy can't get two firsts?

Debrincat was traded with a year remaining for #7, and a 2nd and 3rd.

Gonna disagree for sure, if timed right I think they can do two firsts for Nylander.
- joel878

Ur on crack…Nylander did what in playoffs? Just shows what he is worth….a 3rd liner and maybe a bottom tier defense man

Ur on crack…Nylander did what in playoffs? Just shows what he is worth….a 3rd liner and maybe a bottom tier defense man
- dakotamoe

10 points in 11 games. Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot again.

10 points in 11 games. Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot again.
- joel878

Boom. Roasted.