People generally fear change. I am curious to hear what Dubas says at his next press conference. I am open to the possibility that this is not bad. Florida won the President's Trophy and then shat the bed in the playoffs. They made major changes and things have worked out ok for them. Change can be ok. Do you think their fans give a rat's ass about being a wildcard team right now? I'm of the opinion - wait and see, and GLG.
- winsix

It's not that I fear change. Yeah, I personally would've re-signed Dubas, because this past season he proved that he deserved an extension.

But if the organisations decision was to walk away from him, I could've accepted it (eventually). I wouldn't like it, but I could accept it.

But that's not what went down today. Today was a colossal poop-storm, caused by 1 man over a 3 or 4 day span.

That's not a plan. It's not well thought out. It's hasty, it's emotional, and it's likely the wrong move.

I know we’ve been kicking around the Tkachuk trade as a big mover -

The Eichel trade, I think may be more apt - both teams had to give to get and both are happy with the results -

Lest we forget Marner and Nylander.

AM34 should be the most important piece of business to attend to. 13.434x5, book it!
- mjones242

True, but I feel like a new guy coming probably shouldn't be allowed to make a decision that big within days or a week or two. So I'm thinking there's no move there. Unless the players ask out or they inexplicably move to tear-down mode.

I'm slightly more concerned with Matthews and Co after Spezza is said to have resigned too. He played with these guys, they stood up for him when Babcock didn't dress him for first game in Toronto. They obviously liked him too and I know most players don't simply sign a deal because of the GM but if you're Matthews how do you not sit there and go "So how do I trust MLSE to put the best team around me to win?"

I mean Tavares was fed that line for years on the Island and it's likely in part why he left. They never put a team around him.
- Aaron_85

It's a truly unfortunate position Shanahan has put this team into.

It's not that I fear change. Yeah, I personally would've re-signed Dubas, because this past season he proved that he deserved an extension.

But if the organisations decision was to walk away from him, I could've accepted it (eventually). I wouldn't like it, but I could accept it.

But that's not what went down today. Today was a colossal poop-storm, caused by 1 man over a 3 or 4 day span.

That's not a plan. It's not well thought out. It's hasty, it's emotional, and it's likely the wrong move.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Yeah no one pro or anti Dubas could look at that presser today and honestly say… yeah that went well-

Shanny is totally on plan.

It's not that I fear change. Yeah, I personally would've re-signed Dubas, because this past season he proved that he deserved an extension.

But if the organisations decision was to walk away from him, I could've accepted it (eventually). I wouldn't like it, but I could accept it.

But that's not what went down today. Today was a colossal poop-storm, caused by 1 man over a 3 or 4 day span.

That's not a plan. It's not well thought out. It's hasty, it's emotional, and it's likely the wrong move.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Yeah no one pro or anti Dubas could look at that presser today and honestly say… yeah that went well-

Shanny is totally on plan.

True, but I feel like a new guy coming probably shouldn't be allowed to make a decision that big within days or a week or two. So I'm thinking there's no move there. Unless the players ask out or they inexplicably move to tear-down mode.
- GreatGigInTheSky

How long did it take, I wonder, for the Tkachuk trade to be brokered?

The draft should give an idea because a lot of trades are done there. I don't see why they'd wait unless Matthews and MLSE were close on an extension and it falls apart.

However, I am likely in the minority here to say you run him another year, extension or not.
- Aaron_85

Whatever it takes to get Matthews to be a Leaf for life, is where I stand on it.

It's a truly unfortunate position Shanahan has put this team into.
- GreatGigInTheSky

To be fair, lack of playoff success has put this team in the quagmire it's in right now. If we're really honest, the Leafs were outplayed for the majority of the TBL and FLA series. Not a good look.

It is possible this team was a bit of a mirage.

The great thing is, a new GM won't be under pressure to save his job, so he won't do a silly-ass move like trading any of the core. Dubas might have done that out of desperation. You don't trade the core. That's dumber than rat poop.
- Zezel

I agree

Yeah no one pro or anti Dubas could look at that presser today and honestly say… yeah that went well-

Shanny is totally on plan.
- dozerD10

You'd be surprised.

I've seen't quite a few on the twitter that are applauding Shanahan for that press conference.

I'm not so willing to believe that he would consider breaking apart the Core 4. Having said that, it's a bit easier to espouse that platitude when Core 4 contract renewals are fast approaching and you have a cap that can no longer logically sustain keeping them together.

Ultimately, the shared vision between Dubas and Shanahan was fractured this past season. As I alluded to in an earlier thread, Shanny was significantly less present in the box with Dubas compared to years past. I can only presume that there were some fundamental disagreements about team makeup that remained unresolved through this negotiation period.

I can't believe that Shanahan would make a rash, petulant decision based solely on Dubas's $$$ ask. I think it has to be a combination of roster construction and, perhaps, an ask for more autonomy / powers.

Or I could be out to lunch and MLSE brass and Shanny have lost their collective marbles.

All of these things, maybe.
- mjones242

Shanny said it himself. On Sunday, he had Dubas was their GM for the future. On Thursday, he wasn't. Can you really trust a guy who is willing to change the rip the rug out from under the team over the course of a few days?

Can any respectable incoming GM, coach, players?

The guy looked like he was testifying in front of a senate hearing.

It's not that I fear change. Yeah, I personally would've re-signed Dubas, because this past season he proved that he deserved an extension.

But if the organisations decision was to walk away from him, I could've accepted it (eventually). I wouldn't like it, but I could accept it.

But that's not what went down today. Today was a colossal poop-storm, caused by 1 man over a 3 or 4 day span.

That's not a plan. It's not well thought out. It's hasty, it's emotional, and it's likely the wrong move.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I would have also re-signed Dubas. The reality is Dubas is gone, so it is just time for Shanahan and Pridham to get to work and sign Matthews and Nylander. If they can sign Acciari as well, I will be happy. We won't know if its the wrong move for some time. I don't give a poop about winning a round or two. As Shanahan said in his presser only one team out of 32 has a really good season. (and he won 3)

How long did it take, I wonder, for the Tkachuk trade to be brokered?
- mjones242

Not sure, but it was done by two guys who were in their positions for a while and had an understanding of their team and players, at least.

New guy coming in to make a trade of that magnitude, likely wouldn't be great.

Unless the new GM is promoted from within; Pridham or Gilman.

Shanny said it himself. On Sunday, he had Dubas was their GM for the future. On Thursday, he wasn't. Can you really trust a guy who is willing to change the rip the rug out from under the team over the course of a few days?

Can any respectable incoming GM, coach, players?

The guy looked like he was testifying in front of a senate hearing.
- joel878

I don't agree that this franchise is damaged.

To be fair, lack of playoff success has put this team in the quagmire it's in right now. If we're really honest, the Leafs were outplayed for the majority of the TBL and FLA series. Not a good look.

It is possible this team was a bit of a mirage.
- mjones242

Oh, I meant off-ice position. The way Shanahan handled all this is the problem.

Bolded- Tampa I agree with, but I thought the Leafs were better against Florida.

I would have also re-signed Dubas. The reality is Dubas is gone, so it is just time for Shanahan and Pridham to get to work and sign Matthews and Nylander. If they can sign Acciari as well, I will be happy. We won't know if its the wrong move for some time. I don't give a poop about winning a round or two. As Shanahan said in his presser only one team out of 32 has a really good season. (and he won 3)
- winsix

I fully agree.

Be amazing if they can get ROR back, too.

To be fair, lack of playoff success has put this team in the quagmire it's in right now. If we're really honest, the Leafs were outplayed for the majority of the TBL and FLA series. Not a good look.

It is possible this team was a bit of a mirage.
- mjones242

Part of that is on Keefe. Why did he insist on inserting only soft players with his talent. Bennett and Tkachuk had a field day punching and whacking Marner and Matthews.

I don't agree that this franchise is damaged.
- mjones242

Im not gonna clog up the board explaining myself.

If you have an athletic subscription, I would recommend either reading the article titled "for the first time in 9 years, Brendan Shanahans team feels like the bad old Maple leafs" or the one titled "inside the chaos and uncertainty Brendan Shanahan has brought on the Maple leafs"

Both are pretty good descriptions of how I kind of see it.

Not sure, but it was done by two guys who were in their positions for a while and had an understanding of their team and players, at least.

New guy coming in to make a trade of that magnitude, likely wouldn't be great.

Unless the new GM is promoted from within; Pridham or Gilman.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Buckle up, there could be some shanny-anigans!

katie
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Should Kyle Dubas maybe have been less honest on Monday? Maybe.

But this is a guy who traded for Luke Schenn knowing he wouldn’t make him join the team until his baby was born.

I just think Dubas overestimated how much the rest of MLSE cared about their employees home life.

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She's probably not wrong

Buckle up, there could be some shanny-anigans!
- mjones242

I don't agree that this franchise is damaged.
- mjones242

Hard to say. We can't say for sure yet.

We can say optically it looks kinda like a Mickey mouse org today.

Spezza is friends with guys in the locker room... also Dubas has done a good job of convincing guys to come here and play for cheap and re ignite their careers or start it with a guy like Mickey. Will that remain? We shall see.

Word around the league was agents were telling their players to see if they can come here. It was a place players wanted to be.

Im not gonna clog up the board explaining myself.

If you have an athletic subscription, I would recommend either reading the article titled "for the first time in 9 years, Brendan Shanahans team feels like the bad old Maple leafs" or the one titled "inside the chaos and uncertainty Brendan Shanahan has brought on the Maple leafs"

Shoot me a DM about this pls

Both are pretty good descriptions of how I kind of see it.
- joel878

Oh, I meant off-ice position. The way Shanahan handled all this is the problem.

Bolded- Tampa I agree with, but I thought the Leafs were better against Florida.
- GreatGigInTheSky

They lost games at Florida that they were statistically the better team in like 3 of 4 losses.