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So who will be C then... Rielly?.... Cuz I don't see Matthews being here by next year and half you douche nozzles would have an aneurysm if it was Marner....

- Buck Norris

Rielly would be a good choice. Matthews will sign where he wants to sign. Leafs cannot win a Matthews or Nylander trade. Re-signing them if at all possible is the first order of business.

Shanny was just earning his paycheque for the Board. The idea that everything was copacetic until the Dubas presser which caused Shanny to question proceeding just doesn’t pass the smell test. The Board wanted Dubas gone and he got gone.
- Canada Cup

Read this morning that Dubas's agent received a 5 year contract for close to 4 million per year, then Shanahan received a counter offer back for higher dollars, then Shanahan telling Dubas that he wouldn't be resigned. So it actually sounded like the organization decided to commit to Dubas for the next 5 years.

Man this chirping about The Dubas eh! Geez.

He did a good job in Toronto
Was offered an extension
Weighed the toll it took on him and his family
Asked for more
Ask was denied
Both sides move on


Whether it was negotiating on public, using family as tactic, burn out, whatever it doesn’t matter. He is no longer with the Leafs.

His construction never broke through in postseason but man he compiled a good enough team where questions can be asked whether it was the GMs construction, the Coach not utilizing roster in game properly, or the players (specifically core 4) just playing like they got out of a cold pool - either way it didn’t work out but I feel it’s impossible to point to just Dubas here though. Again, I think he put together a roster (especially this year) that was good enough to win a Cup.

Edit: forgot to add the crap about him inheriting the team is a bit odd to me as well. GMs get high picks all the time and can’t convert then into a solid team that wins Cup…Look no further than Oilers for that. The GMs there inherited 77 top 3 picks and couldn’t won anything let alone make playoffs for a few years. Now they have 97 & Ze German so they should win super soon eh

Nick DeSouza
@NickDeSouza_
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The new GM comes in with
- A core 4 who wants to extend in Toronto.
- A relatively clean cap situation
- Promising prospects ready to enter the NHL

It's the best situation a Leafs GM has entered in decades.

Dubas walked, so the next GM can fly.

____________________________

I really hope the new GM takes advantage of the position Dubas put this team in.

Oh, if anyone is wondering, Tim Peel is continuing to make a (frank)ing fool of himself on twitter.

At the Dubas presser was there any Bud Lite’s?

I have more respect now for Shanny. He had the stones to do what had to do.
- leafersince62

After watching him make a fool of himself in that press conference, I honestly can't believe anyone would have a better opinion of him.

Oh, if anyone is wondering, Tim Peel is continuing to make a (frank)ing fool of himself on twitter.
- GreatGigInTheSky

He's always been an idiot, if you want a good laugh go to the Nucks thread. The best one yet was Miller for Marner.

Nick DeSouza
@NickDeSouza_
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22h
The new GM comes in with
- A core 4 who wants to extend in Toronto.
- A relatively clean cap situation
- Promising prospects ready to enter the NHL

It's the best situation a Leafs GM has entered in decades.

Dubas walked, so the next GM can fly.

____________________________

I really hope the new GM takes advantage of the position Dubas put this team in.
- GreatGigInTheSky

None of this is wrong.

Keefe is the bigger issue.

One can argue if Dubas was doing a good job or not.

Keefe was outcoached regularly and his outlived any utility he might have had.

After watching him make a fool of himself in that press conference, I honestly can't believe anyone would have a better opinion of him.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Gigsy - you are making the assumption that this was entirely Shanahan's decision. Remember he reports to a board. He's just the one taking the heat for the call, right or wrong.

It’s good that Dubas is gone, obviously change was needed on all levels. Also good that Shanny tried to explain it all at his presser. He was being as open and transparent as he could, because people want to know and would speculate crap otherwise. Reporters often complain that no info was given……now they speculate on if it was all true. You can’t win. I think both Dubas and Shanny were being as honest as they could without airing any laundry and trying to be respectful. I just don’t see how you negotiate for months, and then say, I need to discuss this with my family, and then come back and say I want more! Are you saying, it’s hard on my family but for more money they will suffer the consequences!? Either way it’s time for both to move one and as soon as the next GM is hired this talk will all be moot.

Mirtle also 'drops' the idea of Doug Armstrong (Blues GM) being a possible candidate. I think he and shanny are tight.

In the context of the previous quote above ....makes you wonder if Shanny pushed for the RoR/Acciari deal with the Blues .....total ass blowing on my part but maybe.

Either way - if they've been controlling his moves I'm shocked he wanted back.
- The Law

I saw a clip yesterday on Twitter where it was it was shanny saying they should trade someone for McCann and then use him as the guy exposed for Seattle. So I think that whole thing was shanny. Which makes me believe shanny is a lot more hands on with the team and Dubas never had that full autonomy.

Food for thought.

Dubas was hired as an exceptionally young protégé to become a GM in the NHL

Dubas was hired by Brendan Shanahan, who had never been, hired or really managed a GM in the NHL

And you can’t tell me that Brendan Shanahan managed Lou Lamoriello I can’t believe that ever happened. Uncle Lou would never ever allowed for it.

Seems to me like someone who is probably not qualified to be in the senior management role he was in then hired somebody with no NHL experience in a role likely in an attempt to ensure he could control that person.

It’s easy to blame the rookie GM and for sure he was good in someways and bad and others but I’m shocked there isn’t more focus and blaming pointed out Shanahan for these failures.

And even above that, why would MLSE think hiring Brendan Shanahan, (who had been a player and then worked for the league in two different capacities, but never managed hockey operations for an actual NHL franchise) was a path to success?

They would’ve been better to promote Lou Lamoriello and then maybe had a new hire GM.

Lots of questionable decisions, and incompetence from the looks of things

Gigsy - you are making the assumption that this was entirely Shanahan's decision. Remember he reports to a board. He's just the one taking the heat for the call, right or wrong.
- winsix

Which the board isn't firing themselves ever. So Shanahan is the guy to take it and he's the guy who's been the face of the board for 10 years.

LMFAO!!!
I seem to remember the Matthews>McDavid arguments from Queefs Nation.
- JLO961

2 people said that; EK and James Tanner. One isn't a Leafs fan and the other is a (frank)ing idiot.

Nick DeSouza
@NickDeSouza_
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22h
The new GM comes in with
- A core 4 who wants to extend in Toronto.
- A relatively clean cap situation
- Promising prospects ready to enter the NHL

It's the best situation a Leafs GM has entered in decades.

Dubas walked, so the next GM can fly.

____________________________

I really hope the new GM takes advantage of the position Dubas put this team in.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Yeah I recall talking about this awhile ago that whoever is the GM this summer had a solid landscape moving forward.

Despite thinking Marner is overpaid or JT. All contracts are pretty movable if need be. Or only have a couple years left aside from Rielly.

Yeah I recall talking about this awhile ago that whoever is the GM this summer had a solid landscape moving forward.

Despite thinking Marner is overpaid or JT. All contracts are pretty movable if need be. Or only have a couple years left aside from Rielly.
- Aaron_85

Someone likened it to Burke taking over in Anaheim. The pieces were in place and Burke won them a cup in 1 years I think he was the one that brought in pronger.

A lot of good pieces are here but hopefully the next gm can find the missing pieces.

Yeah I recall talking about this awhile ago that whoever is the GM this summer had a solid landscape moving forward.

Despite thinking Marner is overpaid or JT. All contracts are pretty movable if need be. Or only have a couple years left aside from Rielly.
- Aaron_85

All movable except JT. Cap is expected to be about $88M in the first year of a possible Matthews extension. He will be the highest paid player in the NHL regardless of where he is playing, until McDavid signs a deal. The best thing that has not yet been mentioned is the excellent goalie situation the Leafs are in. Woll looks to be a long term goalie for the Leafs. Samsonov is either signed to a decent deal giving the Leafs a solid low cost tandem (unlike the Coilers) or he becomes a trading chip.

Do not care. His superiors were more culpable than he was. He quit. He paid a price. He spent time away. He deserves a second chance. He won't make the same mistake again because it will be impossible to allow it to ever happen again. He will be reinstated by Bettman after the playoffs are over, the meeting is already set and the parameters will be put in place. The only reason MLSE pretends to give a poop is because they're terrified of the disproportionately loud yet tiny amount of people on Twitter who will scream about giving a person a second chance. This woke social justice persecution bullpoop has to stop. At the end of the day, if MLSE wins a Cup, all is forgotten and forgiven for rightfully giving a person a second chance when the cash comes rolling in. He's the most qualified candidate. Hire him. End of story.
- Rare_Jewel

Facts

He's always been an idiot, if you want a good laugh go to the Nucks thread. The best one yet was Miller for Marner.
- winsix

That's a hilariously bad trade offer. What was the 4 or 5 +'s included with Miller?

How 'bout this joke from the Athletic-



Dude gets paid by the athletic for this garbage.

None of this is wrong.

Keefe is the bigger issue.

One can argue if Dubas was doing a good job or not.

Keefe was outcoached regularly and his outlived any utility he might have had.
- GalacticStone

I don't disagree. Keefe chose his Holl to die on, and "die" he should for it.

I saw a clip yesterday on Twitter where it was it was shanny saying they should trade someone for McCann and then use him as the guy exposed for Seattle. So I think that whole thing was shanny. Which makes me believe shanny is a lot more hands on with the team and Dubas never had that full autonomy.
- bryant

Never a good source.

new blog everyone

LMFAO!!!
I seem to remember the Matthews>McDavid arguments from Queefs Nation.
- JLO961

Queefs Nation. Wow that’s some original work right there.

Gigsy - you are making the assumption that this was entirely Shanahan's decision. Remember he reports to a board. He's just the one taking the heat for the call, right or wrong.
- winsix

It was entirely his decision. His press conference made that clear.

The Leafs, as an organisation, had agreed to offer Dubas a 5 year extension. Shanahan decided as of Monday, that he himself second guessed it.

Never a good source.
- The Law

True but it was actual video proof lol