FFS, this is why we can't have nice things. Dubas should have stayed, Keefe should be gone. FU Shanny.

That being said, it really may have been Dubas' choice, and the organization just took the bullet.

FFS, this is why we can't have nice things. Dubas should have stayed, Keefe should be gone. FU Shanny.

That being said, it really may have been Dubas' choice, and the organization just took the bullet.
- Whipper

Agree with you completely.

I hope the Leafs get Quenneville to coach.
- Mr.President

Agreed, if they can get Head Office to allow it.

If Gil or Prid want the job. It's possible they enjoy the passenger seat and don't want the headache of the GM job. Can stay pretty cushy working for MLSE if you're not the guy getting axed every 5 years and having to move to another city for a job.
- Aaron_85

Fair there too. I did wonder if thats where Dubas was going. Do the assistant with the analytics and step out of the spotlight. Could be internal, could be soomeone else. Who knows.

I'd say Gary Roberts for GM, but his nutrition ideas are too woke

From an outsiders perspective. I would assume that the organization did not want to offer another contract. Afterall he did fail after numerous attempts.

Its not like he is the duke and duchess of sussex on the world publicity tour of demanding privacy.

I'd say Gary Roberts for GM, but his nutrition ideas are too woke
- Zezel

Dig up King Clancy and put him behind the bench.

Dig up King Clancy and put him behind the bench.
- PrinceLH

Based on how he was more or less the reason for the formation of the NHLPA, something makes me think he wouldn't do well in the cap era.

But god damn he'd be entertaining.

I hope the Leafs get Quenneville to coach.
- Mr.President

And Stan Bowman to GM with Kyle Beach at player development.

Don't need anything. Your whining has done the job, zero credibility as a result.
- joel878

Weak.

Hope he's firing himself. If anyone should get the boot it's him, I mean if he's hanging it around Dubas he's essentially got nothing to say other than he hired some lemons.
- joel878

Shanny? Nah, it’s not the president’s job to run the team it’s to decide who does.

He obviously gave Dubas til the end of the week (right before the long weekend) to make his choice (hell I was even thinking til June 1 so Shanny made it happen faster than I even thought it would).

When it comes to him I think it will be similar to Dubas, what will happen at the end of his contract which is next summer right?

Kind of standard operating to do that. Incoming GM can decide his crew and who if any he wants to keep.

Should be interesting with Shanny.
- Roadrunner75

Yeah, I’m curious if he announces it today or at least a temp

Hunter boys coming to town. Marner gets the C.

I'd say Gary Roberts for GM, but his nutrition ideas are too woke
- Zezel

member what happened when we had eakins

Dig up King Clancy and put him behind the bench.
- PrinceLH

He's probably pretty dusty by now.

If Gil or Prid want the job. It's possible they enjoy the passenger seat and don't want the headache of the GM job. Can stay pretty cushy working for MLSE if you're not the guy getting axed every 5 years and having to move to another city for a job.
- Aaron_85

Cushy is right. Pretty clear today is an acknowledgement of that.

I hope the Leafs get Quenneville to coach.
- Mr.President

No (frank)ing thank you.

He’s part of a law breaking cover up bumhole that would make Toronto’s current circus media and fanbase even worse.

burkie is looking for work I hear

Shanny? Nah, it’s not the president’s job to run the team it’s to decide who does.

He obviously gave Dubas til the end of the week (right before the long weekend) to make his choice (hell I was even thinking til June 1 so Shanny made it happen faster than I even thought it would).

When it comes to him I think it will be similar to Dubas, what will happen at the end of his contract which is next summer right?
- Dozzer

If Dubas was fired, which seems to be the indication in the leafs press release stating 'the club has decided to part ways with GM Kyle Dubas", at that point, Shanahan has failed at literally what you just detailed is his only job.

It's an admission he has the wrong the guy in the job, and it's not the first time.

The press conference may as well be hi I'm Brendan Shanahan, my only job is to hire a GM but I hire the wrong guy every time and am here to watch all of you let me blame that guy instead of myself again.

Management 101, poop rolls up hill. It's time for the top guy to actually take some responsibility for his department.

Shanny? Nah, it’s not the president’s job to run the team it’s to decide who does.

He obviously gave Dubas til the end of the week (right before the long weekend) to make his choice (hell I was even thinking til June 1 so Shanny made it happen faster than I even thought it would).

When it comes to him I think it will be similar to Dubas, what will happen at the end of his contract which is next summer right?
- Dozzer

This was a board decision. Shanny went to bat Dubas once before. He may or may not have done so this time.

This is stolen from the flyers thread by Bill Meltzer. So credit goes to him. A solid write up of how difficult it is to win:

It's only "sad" if you don't understand hockey history. EVERY SINGLE TEAM experiences long droughts at some point in their history. Even dynasties fall and go long stretches -- as in decades -- without another Cup. It's the way of hockey.

Rangers have one Cup in the last 83 years, the drought since their last one is now at 29 years.

Maple Leafs haven't been back to the Finals -- let alone won the Cup -- since the NHL expanded beyond the Original Six. Drought now at 56 years.

Canucks were created in 1970. Zero Cups in 53 year history.

Sabres were also created in 1970. Zero Cups in their own 53-year history. Currently in a playoff drought of missing the playoffs in 12 straight years (missed playoffs in 14 of the last 16 seasons; zero series wins).

Islanders drought since their 4-Cup Dynasty is now at 40 years.

North Stars/Stars: One Cup since their 1967 creation: 1-for-55. Drought now 24 years (could win this year).

LA Kings: Two Cups since their 1967 creation; 2-for-55. Took til 2012 to win their first. Now 9 years removed from their most recent.

Blues: One Cup since their 1967 creation: 1-for-55. Took til 2019 to win their first. Now four years removed from that season.

Whalers/Hurricanes:One Cup in 43 year history as an NHL franchise. In a 16 year drought at present (but could win this year).

Sharks: Created in 1991. Zero Cups won.

Senators: Created in 1992. Zero Cups won.

Panthers: Created in 1993. Zero Cups won (could win this year).

Ducks: Created in 1993. One Cup won (1-for-30). Current drought at 16 years.

Predators: Created in 1998. Zero Cups won.

Blue Jackets: Created in 2000. Zero Cups won.

Wild: Created in 2000. Zero Cups won.

Capitals: Created in 1974. One Cup won (1-for-49). Took until 2018 to win it. Now five years removed.

Black Hawks/ Blackhawks: Their 2010 Cup ended a 49-year drought. Then they won 3 in 6 years. Now 8 years removed and in complete rebuild mode.

Nordiques/Avalanche: 3 Cups in 43-year history as an NHL franchise. Won their first Cup in 1996, second in 2003. Nineteen-year drought until last season's Cup championship. In a 12-season span from 2006-07 to 2017-18, they missed the playoffs eight times, lost in the first round three times and advanced to the second round once.

Penguins: Created in 1967. Have won five Cups but they've experienced two bankruptcies in their history. It took 24 years to win their first of B2B Cups. Seventeen year gap before the next Cup win -- with a very low period and a second bankruptcy in the 2000s -- in between. Seven-year gap before another B2B Cups. Now six years removed and in need of a rebuild.

Bruins: Six Stanley Cups in 99-year history. One Cup in the last 51 years. Had a 39-year drought before their 2010-11 Cup. Now 12 years removed from that Cup.

Lightning: One Cup (2003-04) in the first 28 years of team history; 16-year gap until their 2nd (first of B2B). In their history, have had stretches of missing the playoffs in nine of 10 seasons (zero series wins) and five of six seasons.

Scouts/Rockies/Devils: Three Cups in combined 49-year franchise history. Took 21 years to win their first (three Cups in eight years). Current drought at 20 years. After reaching Cup Final in 2012, the Devils missed the playoffs in five straight years and 9 of 10 seasons; zero series wins. This year, they won their first playoff series in 11 years but lost in five to Carolina in the second round.

Canadiens: The Habs are the NHL's most decorated franchise but they are now at a 30-year drought since their last Cup (one in the last 35 years).

Red Wings: 11 Cups but had a 42-year drought ended in 1997. Currently, at a 15-year Cup drought. They've missed the playoffs in seven straight years, and have one playoff series win in the last 11 years.

Jets/Coyotes: Entered the NHL in 1979. Zero Cups won in 43-year NHL history.

Thrashers/Jets: Created in 1999. Zero Cups won in 23-year history.

Flames: Created in 1972. One Cup in 51 years. Current drought is 34 years.

Oilers: Entered the NHL in 1979. A five-Cup dynasty from 1984 to 1990. Now in a 33-year drought. Endured a stretch of 10 straight seasons out of the playoffs, missed the playoffs 12 of 13 years with one playoff series win.

The Golden Knights and Kraken are still very young franchises. Vegas could win their first Cup this year. But history shows the Cup is extremely hard to win -- even once -- and even harder to hold onto.

In other words, what the Flyers are going through is the down cycle in history. Also, would it feel any different now if they HAD won in 1987 (either via winning in OT in Game 2 or winning Game 7)? The answer is no. It'd be a 35-year drought.

Agreed, if they can get Head Office to allow it.
- PrinceLH

Q and Bettman meeting today. 🤔

Hunter boys coming to town. Marner gets the C.
- Canada Cup

Dubas is originally from Peterborough and the Pete’s are one game away from knocking the Knights out of the playoffs.

This adds up so damn much

No (frank)ing thank you.

He’s part of a law breaking cover up bumhole that would make Toronto’s current circus media and fanbase even worse.
- Dozzer

Such an obviously terrible idea.

Agreed, if they can get Head Office to allow it.
- PrinceLH

Are you talking about the leafs head office or the leagues?