If Dubas was fired, which seems to be the indication in the leafs press release stating 'the club has decided to part ways with GM Kyle Dubas", at that point, Shanahan has failed at literally what you just detailed is his only job.

It's an admission he has the wrong the guy in the job, and it's not the first time.

The press conference may as well be hi I'm Brendan Shanahan, my only job is to hire a GM but I hire the wrong guy every time and am here to watch all of you let me blame that guy instead of myself again.

Management 101, poop rolls up hill. It's time for the top guy to actually take some responsibility for his department.
- joel878

There’s no way they’re getting rid of their president, GM, and coach all at the same time with the next 5 and half weeks being pretty much the most important in club history. What happens by July 1 will be huge.

I’ll be shocked if they wipe it clean entirely one by one.

This was a board decision. Shanny went to bat Dubas once before. He may or may not have done so this time.
- Canada Cup

So get a new GM or lose your job too kind of thing?

My guess is the board established the time they were willing to allow Shanny to resign Dubas and nothing more of what you’re saying is the case.

There’s no way they’re getting rid of their president, GM, and coach all at the same time with the next 5 and half weeks being pretty much the most important in club history. What happens by July 1 will be huge.

I’ll be shocked if they wipe it clean entirely one by one.
- Dozzer

Yeah, I can agree with you there.

Which is part of why it's a little surprising we are where we are. Retaining Dubas was more important right now than keeping Shanahan.

But we're here now, would be surprising.

This is stolen from the flyers thread by Bill Meltzer. So credit goes to him. A solid write up of how difficult it is to win:

It's only "sad" if you don't understand hockey history. EVERY SINGLE TEAM experiences long droughts at some point in their history. Even dynasties fall and go long stretches -- as in decades -- without another Cup. It's the way of hockey.

Rangers have one Cup in the last 83 years, the drought since their last one is now at 29 years.

Maple Leafs haven't been back to the Finals -- let alone won the Cup -- since the NHL expanded beyond the Original Six. Drought now at 56 years.

Canucks were created in 1970. Zero Cups in 53 year history.

Sabres were also created in 1970. Zero Cups in their own 53-year history. Currently in a playoff drought of missing the playoffs in 12 straight years (missed playoffs in 14 of the last 16 seasons; zero series wins).

Islanders drought since their 4-Cup Dynasty is now at 40 years.

North Stars/Stars: One Cup since their 1967 creation: 1-for-55. Drought now 24 years (could win this year).

LA Kings: Two Cups since their 1967 creation; 2-for-55. Took til 2012 to win their first. Now 9 years removed from their most recent.

Blues: One Cup since their 1967 creation: 1-for-55. Took til 2019 to win their first. Now four years removed from that season.

Whalers/Hurricanes:One Cup in 43 year history as an NHL franchise. In a 16 year drought at present (but could win this year).

Sharks: Created in 1991. Zero Cups won.

Senators: Created in 1992. Zero Cups won.

Panthers: Created in 1993. Zero Cups won (could win this year).

Ducks: Created in 1993. One Cup won (1-for-30). Current drought at 16 years.

Predators: Created in 1998. Zero Cups won.

Blue Jackets: Created in 2000. Zero Cups won.

Wild: Created in 2000. Zero Cups won.

Capitals: Created in 1974. One Cup won (1-for-49). Took until 2018 to win it. Now five years removed.

Black Hawks/ Blackhawks: Their 2010 Cup ended a 49-year drought. Then they won 3 in 6 years. Now 8 years removed and in complete rebuild mode.

Nordiques/Avalanche: 3 Cups in 43-year history as an NHL franchise. Won their first Cup in 1996, second in 2003. Nineteen-year drought until last season's Cup championship. In a 12-season span from 2006-07 to 2017-18, they missed the playoffs eight times, lost in the first round three times and advanced to the second round once.

Penguins: Created in 1967. Have won five Cups but they've experienced two bankruptcies in their history. It took 24 years to win their first of B2B Cups. Seventeen year gap before the next Cup win -- with a very low period and a second bankruptcy in the 2000s -- in between. Seven-year gap before another B2B Cups. Now six years removed and in need of a rebuild.

Bruins: Six Stanley Cups in 99-year history. One Cup in the last 51 years. Had a 39-year drought before their 2010-11 Cup. Now 12 years removed from that Cup.

Lightning: One Cup (2003-04) in the first 28 years of team history; 16-year gap until their 2nd (first of B2B). In their history, have had stretches of missing the playoffs in nine of 10 seasons (zero series wins) and five of six seasons.

Scouts/Rockies/Devils: Three Cups in combined 49-year franchise history. Took 21 years to win their first (three Cups in eight years). Current drought at 20 years. After reaching Cup Final in 2012, the Devils missed the playoffs in five straight years and 9 of 10 seasons; zero series wins. This year, they won their first playoff series in 11 years but lost in five to Carolina in the second round.

Canadiens: The Habs are the NHL's most decorated franchise but they are now at a 30-year drought since their last Cup (one in the last 35 years).

Red Wings: 11 Cups but had a 42-year drought ended in 1997. Currently, at a 15-year Cup drought. They've missed the playoffs in seven straight years, and have one playoff series win in the last 11 years.

Jets/Coyotes: Entered the NHL in 1979. Zero Cups won in 43-year NHL history.

Thrashers/Jets: Created in 1999. Zero Cups won in 23-year history.

Flames: Created in 1972. One Cup in 51 years. Current drought is 34 years.

Oilers: Entered the NHL in 1979. A five-Cup dynasty from 1984 to 1990. Now in a 33-year drought. Endured a stretch of 10 straight seasons out of the playoffs, missed the playoffs 12 of 13 years with one playoff series win.

The Golden Knights and Kraken are still very young franchises. Vegas could win their first Cup this year. But history shows the Cup is extremely hard to win -- even once -- and even harder to hold onto.

In other words, what the Flyers are going through is the down cycle in history. Also, would it feel any different now if they HAD won in 1987 (either via winning in OT in Game 2 or winning Game 7)? The answer is no. It'd be a 35-year drought.
- Aaron_85

Basically nobody wins the Cup lol.

Basically nobody wins the Cup lol.
- Zezel

1 American team does every year

There’s no way they’re getting rid of their president, GM, and coach all at the same time with the next 5 and half weeks being pretty much the most important in club history. What happens by July 1 will be huge.

I’ll be shocked if they wipe it clean entirely one by one.
- Dozzer

I can see it both ways with Keefe. I think he has 1 year on his deal. I can see him being outed if they think there's a better one but also, I can see him just having a short leash during the season and letting the GM keep some familiarity.

im going to guess Dubas ends up with the Sens

1 American team does every year
- Symba007

interesting.
for a Canadian team to win, they might have to move all the Canadian teams to the US or move all of the US to Canada

im going to guess Dubas ends up with the Sens
- senstroll

That would hilarious

It showed during the press conference he didn't feel like doing another year , especially with a young family and everything. Probably one of those cases where he will be fully committed once the kids grow up and are out of the house. Aside from that, he could easily land a consulting job.

Tt.
- Aaron_85

Didn't want to long cat Aaron, but my only contention is that the Leafs have had terrible teams and no amazing accomplishments, even blips on the radar other than maybe 93 and Matthews' last season since the Cup wins. It's not just winning. It's that they are an original 6 team with some of the worst "legends" in hockey...and guys like Mats etc. are great, but you look at almost every other team and you can see superstars with more pedigree or fabled runs. The Blues are a great example. They had Hull and MacIniss. Name me better players that ever played for the Leafs other than Leetch (remember that?!) in the past 40 years?

So get a new GM or lose your job too kind of thing?

My guess is the board established the time they were willing to allow Shanny to resign Dubas and nothing more of what you’re saying is the case.
- Dozzer

I’d say it was a more fundamental disagreement. The Board said he didn’t get the results we wanted: he’s gone. Shanny might have argued that he’s made significant improvements to the team and organization. Today marks the end of that discussion and they said dump him.

im going to guess Dubas ends up with the Sens
- senstroll

Me too

im going to guess Dubas ends up with the Sens
- senstroll

Pierre would rig his office with plastic explosives before he got the kick out.

Yeah, I can agree with you there.

Which is part of why it's a little surprising we are where we are. Retaining Dubas was more important right now than keeping Shanahan.

But we're here now, would be surprising.
- joel878

Shanny’s bosses might not see it that way (the importance of Dubas).

To them they’re a business so it boils down to the number of post season games the team had to be successful in to keep this GM around. It didn’t get done so to them who cares about his specifics he simply didn’t get what we want done completed. Look at it without hockey preference or knowledge but through accounting. Imagine what they would charge in third round tickets? Or cup final tickets? Perhaps the club Dubas built simply doesn’t generate the desired income.

I won’t pretend to know for certain to be clear. It could be nothing more than Dubas saying at the end of the week he wasn’t resigning so the necessary actions were immediately started to move forward.

Damn...I knew Matthews situation was complicated with his NMC kicking in on July 1st and he can't be signed to a new contract before that. Didn't realize Tavares has a NMC and Marner's NMC also kicks in on July 1st....then Nylander has a NTC with 10 teams he can't be traded to also kicking in on July 1st.

and no GM at the moment

Didn't want to long cat Aaron, but my only contention is that the Leafs have had terrible teams and no amazing accomplishments, even blips on the radar other than maybe 93 and Matthews' last season since the Cup wins. It's not just winning. It's that they are an original 6 team with some of the worst "legends" in hockey...and guys like Mats etc. are great, but you look at almost every other team and you can see superstars with more pedigree or fabled runs. The Blues are a great example. They had Hull and MacIniss. Name me better players that ever played for the Leafs other than Leetch (remember that?!) in the past 40 years?
- AdamFrench

Agreed. Toronto has been a terribly run team for decades. Which just makes the problems grow and extend.

That is an outlier team and performance in my books and the current crop of stars, in my opinion, are rectifying it. We can't jump ahead to a future star but I hope the team is continually run better as time goes on.

I also remember Leetch. He was fun to watch.

That would hilarious
- Aaron_85

it would
and i have no doubt, if that happened the sens would go further than the leafs..and/or beat them in the playoffs.

its really the only outcome possible

I’d say it was a more fundamental disagreement. The Board said he didn’t get the results we wanted: he’s gone. Shanny might have argued that he’s made significant improvements to the team and organization. Today marks the end of that discussion and they said dump him.
- Canada Cup

Yeah I can see that.

Board: hockey nor the team matter more than income and he’s failing to generate it to our expectations, no, we’re not resigning him.

Or

Board: we will resign him but he has to agree to it before the long weekend.

it would
and i have no doubt, if that happened the sens would go further than the leafs..and/or beat them in the playoffs.

its really the only outcome possible
- senstroll

Oh man that would epic. If Dubas won with the other Ontario team.

Pierre would rig his office with plastic explosives before he got the kick out.
- AdamFrench

i think they could just point out the door and go..whats that over there!?..and he would walk out looking for something and probably not find his way back...problem solved

im going to guess Dubas ends up with the Sens
- senstroll

But since they resigned their current GM through 2024-25 he’d have to take two years off and that doesn’t add up in the media soap opera lol

Damn...I knew Matthews situation was complicated with his NMC kicking in on July 1st and he can't be signed to a new contract before that. Didn't realize Tavares has a NMC and Marner's NMC also kicks in on July 1st....then Nylander has a NTC with 10 teams he can't be traded to also kicking in on July 1st.

and no GM at the moment
- Symba007

It's tight baby!

Hire Chuck Fletcher!!
- Glak18

as the bathroom attendant

I hope the Leafs get Quenneville to coach.
- Mr.President

betman needs to approve his return to the nhl coaching ranks so there had hoop to jump through