Getting rid of Sutter might calm the boys down a bit. Huberdeau will probably bounce back after the shock of being traded and not fitting into a new situation.
- LeftCoaster

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[quote=LeftCoaster]

Ducks centers will outmatch Canucks long term. Yet another reason Canucks will continue to fail.

Mike Gillis had exactly two top 10 picks, 1 at 10 at 1 at nine. His two picks were Hodgson and Horvat.

Horvat is what he is, but on the whole including the trade with NJD it's a very positive pick. Hodgson developed back issues after he was drafted, and still had a middling NHL career.

His back certainly didn't help his foot speed, and it cut his career short. That's just from a perspective of top 10 picks vs what Benning did. He hit on two, whiffed on two and one is yet to be determined. That's simply from a top 10 pick perspective , although 4 of Benning's picks were in much more premium spots than Gillis' 9th and 10th overall pick.

To be fair, Benning picked at 6,23,5,5,7, 10. After that, he picked twice in the top 100 over 2 years. That last sentence is on the GM part, but if you're a draft guru don't you want picks?


I'll try to examine the drafting records of the other bottom 10 teams over the 8 years outlined above. I hardly doubt he's been good at drafting, let alone great.
- golfingsince

he tried to micromanage the draft. If you don’t trust your scouts than hiring the wrong people is on you as the GM

he tried to micromanage the draft. If you don’t trust your scouts than hiring the wrong people is on you as the GM
- Shuswap Wap

[quote=Quinn's Quest]

We spent 8 years mostly in the bottom half of the league without committing to drafting and development.

What do you expect?

Rinse and repeat

Mike Gillis had exactly two top 10 picks, 1 at 10 at 1 at nine. His two picks were Hodgson and Horvat.

Horvat is what he is, but on the whole including the trade with NJD it's a very positive pick. Hodgson developed back issues after he was drafted, and still had a middling NHL career.

His back certainly didn't help his foot speed, and it cut his career short. That's just from a perspective of top 10 picks vs what Benning did. He hit on two, whiffed on two and one is yet to be determined. That's simply from a top 10 pick perspective , although 4 of Benning's picks were in much more premium spots than Gillis' 9th and 10th overall pick.

To be fair, Benning picked at 6,23,5,5,7, 10. After that, he picked twice in the top 100 over 2 years. That last sentence is on the GM part, but if you're a draft guru don't you want picks?


I'll try to examine the drafting records of the other bottom 10 teams over the 8 years outlined above. I hardly doubt he's been good at drafting, let alone great.
- golfingsince

Jim Benning was so outrageously bad, he made Mike Gillis look good.

he tried to micromanage the draft. If you don’t trust your scouts than hiring the wrong people is on you as the GM
- Shuswap Wap

I think many were hired previously to be honest. He revamped the draft room but his most successful draft was likely his 1st, aside from the Virtanen pick. You exchange that for Nylander and that's one hell of a draft.

Aside from Petey and Hughes it's pretty much all downhill afterwards.

Trading McCann and Forsling is a completely different story to why he's a bad GM.

Jim Benning was so outrageously bad, he made Mike Gillis look good.
- LeftCoaster

I don't think it's even close between them.

I don't think it's even close between them.
- golfingsince

I liked the idea of hiring former agents. It’s all business with them.
Lacroix (AVS) was my favorite.

I don't think it's even close between them.
- golfingsince

It’s not.

he tried to micromanage the draft. If you don’t trust your scouts than hiring the wrong people is on you as the GM
- Shuswap Wap

TBH Delorme was appointed chief amateur scout by Brian Burke so there's lots of blame to go around.

I don't think it's even close between them.
- golfingsince

- A_SteamingLombardi

Full load Benning slurpfest going on in here today!

Full load Benning slurpfest going on in here today!

- VanHockeyGuy

I'd say quite the opposite.

I think many were hired previously to be honest. He revamped the draft room but his most successful draft was likely his 1st, aside from the Virtanen pick. You exchange that for Nylander and that's one hell of a draft.

Aside from Petey and Hughes it's pretty much all downhill afterwards.

Trading McCann and Forsling is a completely different story to why he's a bad GM.
- golfingsince

I never buy the whole, if a GM only picked THIS player instead of THAT player, we'd be better off. There's no guarantee that Nylander would have flourished in our system when Green was still here. It's also why I don't buy that had we drafted Tkachuk instead of OJ we'd be in the playoffs, some players don't fit in certain systems or do as well as they might have. What ifs are great for armchair GMs, but things aren't so cut and dried.

I never buy the whole, if a GM only picked THIS player instead of THAT player, we'd be better off. There's no guarantee that Nylander would have flourished in our system when Green was still here. It's also why I don't buy that had we drafted Tkachuk instead of OJ we'd be in the playoffs, some players don't fit in certain systems or do as well as they might have. What ifs are great for armchair GMs, but things aren't so cut and dried.
- DariusKnight

Some might be good enough to rock any system

I never buy the whole, if a GM only picked THIS player instead of THAT player, we'd be better off. There's no guarantee that Nylander would have flourished in our system when Green was still here. It's also why I don't buy that had we drafted Tkachuk instead of OJ we'd be in the playoffs, some players don't fit in certain systems or do as well as they might have. What ifs are great for armchair GMs, but things aren't so cut and dried.
- DariusKnight

Think for just.a minute as to wether Nylander would be out of the league had we drafted him. Playing with the twins? Might have learnt a bit. Regardless, he's currently a 40 goal scorer .

Where exactly is Virtanen? Has he caught on with any team? How about Juolevi? Where's he playing?

Imagine having two extra really good players in your lineup? Not worrying about when they're turning 30? Or, having had much more success.

I never buy the whole, if a GM only picked THIS player instead of THAT player, we'd be better off. There's no guarantee that Nylander would have flourished in our system when Green was still here. It's also why I don't buy that had we drafted Tkachuk instead of OJ we'd be in the playoffs, some players don't fit in certain systems or do as well as they might have. What ifs are great for armchair GMs, but things aren't so cut and dried.
- DariusKnight

We also wouldn’t have got the players we do have in petey/Hughes. Ifs and buts don’t amount to much. Build around what we have

Think for just.a minute as to wether Nylander would be out of the league had we drafted him. Playing with the twins? Might have learnt a bit. Regardless, he's currently a 40 goal scorer .

Where exactly is Virtanen? Has he caught on with any team? How about Juolevi? Where's he playing?

Imagine having two extra really good players in your lineup? Not worrying about when they're turning 30? Or, having had much more success.
- golfingsince

Again, would they have had the same success considering how bad the team had been in that time period, there's no way to tell. Maybe they would have, but maybe the constant negativity that surrounded the team with the media, fans, management and coaching staff might have hampered them and limit their greatness, we'll never know.

https://www.princegeorgec...achuk-left-flames-7056373

Again, would they have had the same success considering how bad the team had been in that time period, there's no way to tell. Maybe they would have, but maybe the constant negativity that surrounded the team with the media, fans, management and coaching staff might have hampered them and limit their greatness, we'll never know.
- DariusKnight

I guess not. However, I find it hard to believe that identifying an 80 point per season player vs a 100 point career player is that difficult if you're a good scout. Probably why Nylander was among the top rated players in the entire class.


Juolevi? Best player available? There weren't many if any people here that had him ranked that high at D.

I guess not. However, I find it hard to believe that identifying an 80 point per season player vs a 100 point career player is that difficult if you're a good scout. Probably why Nylander was among the top rated players in the entire class.


Juolevi? Best player available? There weren't many if any people here that had him ranked that high at D.
- golfingsince

Juolevi might have been that D had he not had that back injury that essentially ended his career before it began, unlike Hodgson who still could have a middling NHL career because his game was never about foot speed to begin with, Juolevi relied on his skating to play good solid positional and physical D along with having some offensive upside during his junior career. When he injured his back in his D+2 season down in the AHL, that killed whatever foot speed he had and made it all but impossible to ever be an NHL-calibre D. You can argue whether or not if all things were ideal that he still wouldn't be the best D in that draft, but there's no question at the time we needed a D man like him and had he panned out, maybe Benning doesn't go after OEL or pay Myers 6 mil for 4 years. The fact that Tkachuk became a star in Calgary is immaterial, he MIGHT have been the same star here, but then again with Green as coach it's likely he'd have been given the same treatment Virtanen did (not that JV wasn't a horrible pick/bust because he was regardless of how he was coached but he was supposed to be the power forward that Tkachuk became). It's why I say hindsight is 20/20 and let's all move on.

Jim Benning was so outrageously bad, he made Mike Gillis look good.
- LeftCoaster

Lol Gillis is still worse ... let that sink in

Lol Gillis is still worse ... let that sink in
- onesmallleap

Imagine actually believing that’s true.

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