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Stenberg idolizing EP. Same as Lekkerimaki. There it is Canucks pick at 11.

Center Otto Stenberg.
- manvanfan

Wouldn’t be a bad pick. Even better if got him after a trade down 👍

Homerun in the latter scenario?

I female dog about their history all the time, but I don’t lay it at the feet of the current management group lol. I’ve cheered, and female doged, about this team since they came into the league.

We’ve been down the draft pick road before, there’s no twisting stories, you just keep spewing the same crap so I won’t get into it. I’d like them to trade everyone except Pettersson and Hughes and build through the draft, but that ain’t happening. Which I’ve said many, many times but you continue to act like you don’t know I’ve said it. Other than adding the 2nd for Hronek I don’t really have an issue with what they’ve done in a year and a half, pertaining to draft picks, considering they want to be competitive and add prospects.
- LeftCoaster

Until this group manages to get this team to the point where they make the playoffs every year and are a threat to go all the way, they are a failure just like Benning, Gillis (after the Cup run), Nonis, Burke, etc. are. I even consider Gillis to be a failure because he peaked in 2011 and then led us to this point.

Stupid decisions this management team has made:

- Signing Miller to 8x8 year deal with an NMC that starts after this July 1
- Trading Horvat, getting a 1st, decent prospect and player out of the deal and then turning around and trading that first for a defenseman that was injured and going to need a contract next off-season.
- Dragging out the firing of BB when it was clear they didn't want him and turned him into a sympathic folk hero in Vancouver and the rest of the NHL while destroying whatever good reputation the team had around the league over it.
- Addendum to the last: Leaking that they were hiring Rick Tocchet but waiting until he could free himself from his TV contract which made the mess with BB even worse.
- Signing Boeser for 6.65 mil/year and then being completely unable to trade him, forced to go to his agent to try and make a deal for them then when it's clear it's impossible forced to take him back.
- Saying this team needs "major surgery" yet their only real move was trading Horvat which was necessary because they had no cap space to sign him (it's irrelevant whether signing him would have been a good idea, the point is they were forced to trade him or losing him for nothing, and he should have been traded the instant they decided to give Miller the money Horvat wanted over him)
- You can lay a lot of the decisions they made over ownership mandates to make the playoffs, but that just makes JR's protestations of total autonomy total BS when he came in, we know he's a liar but at least try and lie believeably.

Wouldn’t be a bad pick. Even better if got him after a trade down 👍

Homerun in the latter scenario?
- Nighthawk

Soft high skilled quick forward

@ Neem

I know yours and a lot other initial reaction to trading Petey for a huge return is WTF, but if you dive deeper into it, it could be a game changer.

Look at Buffalo trading Eichel I would say they added by subtraction and much like the Canucks could benefit.

You fill a top future center and a future top 2 RHD open up cap room and not tie down your future cap with a 10 mil contract when you are not ready to compete in the next few years. Like I said I know the initial thought is no way but I would listen hard to the offer.

Really? That’s the best you can come up with? That’s not only immature lol, but it’s pathetic. This group isn’t responsible for the entire history of the club. I really don’t understand why you’re a fan of the club, what self respecting human would choose to cheer for them. Most of us were kinda born and raised into it.

As for building through the draft, every team builds through the draft, to some degree. After only one draft I think it’s clear they’re trying to do both, build through the draft and be competitive. Let’s see how they manage this second draft and we’ll be able to get a better gauge on them.
- LeftCoaster

Past regimes are unraveling hurdle.

I’ll give this Mgmt group more 1.5yrs to get it on the tracks.

That’s what most people with Alzheimer’s would have you believe.
- LeftCoaster

Unfortunately my brain is still as sharp as it ever has been and that is a curse, I would truly be thankful if I could forget most of the stuff I read on here.

When did Barry Trotz get hired as Peds new GM? I missed that announcement.
- VANTEL

During one of your naps. Lol

Unfortunately my brain is still as sharp as it ever has been and that is a curse, I would truly be thankful if I could forget most of the stuff I read on here.
- VANTEL

Why do you frequent here then? I think that’s more of an issue….no?

Until this group manages to get this team to the point where they make the playoffs every year and are a threat to go all the way, they are a failure just like Benning, Gillis (after the Cup run), Nonis, Burke, etc. are. I even consider Gillis to be a failure because he peaked in 2011 and then led us to this point.

Stupid decisions this management team has made:

- Signing Miller to 8x8 year deal with an NMC that starts after this July 1
- Trading Horvat, getting a 1st, decent prospect and player out of the deal and then turning around and trading that first for a defenseman that was injured and going to need a contract next off-season.
- Dragging out the firing of BB when it was clear they didn't want him and turned him into a sympathic folk hero in Vancouver and the rest of the NHL while destroying whatever good reputation the team had around the league over it.
- Addendum to the last: Leaking that they were hiring Rick Tocchet but waiting until he could free himself from his TV contract which made the mess with BB even worse.
- Signing Boeser for 6.65 mil/year and then being completely unable to trade him, forced to go to his agent to try and make a deal for them then when it's clear it's impossible forced to take him back.
- Saying this team needs "major surgery" yet their only real move was trading Horvat which was necessary because they had no cap space to sign him (it's irrelevant whether signing him would have been a good idea, the point is they were forced to trade him or losing him for nothing, and he should have been traded the instant they decided to give Miller the money Horvat wanted over him)
- You can lay a lot of the decisions they made over ownership mandates to make the playoffs, but that just makes JR's protestations of total autonomy total BS when he came in, we know he's a liar but at least try and lie believeably.
- DariusKnight

I understand your disappointment in previous years under old regimes but too premature to call the new regime a failure.

What you didn’t mention is it’s not a skeleton office staff & development team & other support staff which is now in place.

Until this group manages to get this team to the point where they make the playoffs every year and are a threat to go all the way, they are a failure just like Benning, Gillis (after the Cup run), Nonis, Burke, etc. are. I even consider Gillis to be a failure because he peaked in 2011 and then led us to this point.

Stupid decisions this management team has made:

- Signing Miller to 8x8 year deal with an NMC that starts after this July 1
- Trading Horvat, getting a 1st, decent prospect and player out of the deal and then turning around and trading that first for a defenseman that was injured and going to need a contract next off-season.
- Dragging out the firing of BB when it was clear they didn't want him and turned him into a sympathic folk hero in Vancouver and the rest of the NHL while destroying whatever good reputation the team had around the league over it.
- Addendum to the last: Leaking that they were hiring Rick Tocchet but waiting until he could free himself from his TV contract which made the mess with BB even worse.
- Signing Boeser for 6.65 mil/year and then being completely unable to trade him, forced to go to his agent to try and make a deal for them then when it's clear it's impossible forced to take him back.
- Saying this team needs "major surgery" yet their only real move was trading Horvat which was necessary because they had no cap space to sign him (it's irrelevant whether signing him would have been a good idea, the point is they were forced to trade him or losing him for nothing, and he should have been traded the instant they decided to give Miller the money Horvat wanted over him)
- You can lay a lot of the decisions they made over ownership mandates to make the playoffs, but that just makes JR's protestations of total autonomy total BS when he came in, we know he's a liar but at least try and lie believeably.
- DariusKnight

This is complete nonsense.

You don’t become successful in 18 months following ten years of failure when your predecessor gave you zero prospects. I don’t know if they’ll be successful or not, but I’m willing to be patient enough to see how it plays out over a few seasons.

The rest of your post is completely subjective and not worth debating. Other than I 100% agree with you on the Boeser contract, that was a bonehead move.

@ Neem

I know yours and a lot other initial reaction to trading Petey for a huge return is WTF, but if you dive deeper into it, it could be a game changer.

Look at Buffalo trading Eichel I would say they added by subtraction and much like the Canucks could benefit.

You fill a top future center and a future top 2 RHD open up cap room and not tie down your future cap with a 10 mil contract when you are not ready to compete in the next few years. Like I said I know the initial thought is no way but I would listen hard to the offer.
- VANTEL

Team situations quite different.

This is complete nonsense.

You don’t become successful in 18 months following ten years of failure. I don’t know if they’ll be successful or not, but I’m willing to be patient enough to see how it plays out over a few seasons.

The rest of your post is completely subjective and not worth debating. Other than I 100% agree with you on the Boeser contract, that was a bonehead move.
- LeftCoaster

JB’s contract structure for BB was problematic then it came down to sign at a short term lesser QO or qualify higher or let walk. Tough spot to be in if there was no no-brainer trade for him out there.

I understand your disappointment in previous years under old regimes but too premature to call the new regime a failure.

What you didn’t mention is it’s not a skeleton office staff & development team & other support staff is now in place.
- Nighthawk

It's better, but the problem then becomes paralyzation by analysis and too many cooks in the kitchen. Having a huge front office can be great when everyone is on the same page and giving ideas. The problem becomes when not everyone is on the same page and you're stuck with people on different sides all giving their opinion and getting pissed when their idea doesn't get picked.

Is it too early to call them a failure? I judge them on the moves they've made and what their stated goal/message is. They stated the goal is to make the playoffs every year and they've failed that, they've already fired a coach (which generally most regimes only get one firing before they get canned themselves) and they're now stuck in cap hell worse than what Benning was when he was fired. That's a clear fail in my view. They say the team needs "major surgery" but then the only move that qualifies is a move they were always going to have to make anyways due to giving Miller and Boeser the money they did and not having enough for Horvat. Petey's due at the end of this year and unless they dump a LOT of money, they aren't going to be able to afford the 10.5+ for 8 years that Petey is going to want.

Wow, Taylor just birdied #18 to take the clubhouse lead. It’s been 59 years since a Canadian won the national open championship.

This is complete nonsense.

You don’t become successful in 18 months following ten years of failure when your predecessor gave you zero prospects. I don’t know if they’ll be successful or not, but I’m willing to be patient enough to see how it plays out over a few seasons.

The rest of your post is completely subjective and not worth debating. Other than I 100% agree with you on the Boeser contract, that was a bonehead move.
- LeftCoaster

Again, the goal when they came in was stated clearly as "We will make the playoffs every year", and the message has remained the same. They've failed at that and unless you are the most optimistic and delusional fan, it's very unlikely unless Vegas, Edmonton, and LA all take a significant step back next year will the Canucks make the playoffs this year. They're also over the cap for the start of next season and Petey's and Hronek's contracts are up next off-season. Even if you get Myers contract off the books, you have to assume that Petey is going to want/get 10.5+ for 8 years and Hronek likely will want close to Myers/OEL (current Canuck cap hit at least) money since he's literally their best RHD (which isn't sadly a huge bar to reach). That's not going to be easy to do since they don't want to trade Miller clearly, they can't trade Boeser and Garland isn't going to get them much.

That doesn't bode well when again, your goal is to make the playoffs every year, especially when you know it's not their preferred goal and you have to think if FA wasn't mandating it, they probably do things much differently but you play the hand that you're dealt.

A modern day cruise ship vs the Titanic. Kinda reminds me of Benning’s intelligence, the Titanic, vs Rutherford and Allvin’s.

Team situations quite different.
- manvanfan

That can quickly change though if the owner was willing to make big moves. Every year that they sit and do nothing or little it just prolongs the changes that need to be made.

The owner would gain money actually by making the big moves. Next year he would need to pay Petey in the ballpark of around 10 to 11 mil. that would be taken off the table combined with the two ELC a 2 mil hit for OEL buyout is a 10 mil savings next year a six mil savings in the third year. Too lazy to do the math but there is a benefit in his pocket.

Again, the goal when they came in was stated clearly as "We will make the playoffs every year", and the message has remained the same. They've failed at that and unless you are the most optimistic and delusional fan, it's very unlikely unless Vegas, Edmonton, and LA all take a significant step back next year will the Canucks make the playoffs this year. They're also over the cap for the start of next season and Petey's and Hronek's contracts are up next off-season. Even if you get Myers contract off the books, you have to assume that Petey is going to want/get 10.5+ for 8 years and Hronek likely will want close to Myers/OEL (current Canuck cap hit at least) money since he's literally their best RHD (which isn't sadly a huge bar to reach). That's not going to be easy to do since they don't want to trade Miller clearly, they can't trade Boeser and Garland isn't going to get them much.

That doesn't bode well when again, your goal is to make the playoffs every year, especially when you know it's not their preferred goal and you have to think if FA wasn't mandating it, they probably do things much differently but you play the hand that you're dealt.
- DariusKnight

You’re putting a lot of stock in a few blowhard comments of a new regime, which happens all the time LOL! To me they clearly said we overestimated how good the team was and then came back with “this team needs major changes”. During that process they also said it’s extremely difficult to make moves in the current climate, which is obviously true when you have few assets to make things happen.

I take issue with two things, the timing of Miller’s contract, not the value of it, he’s worth that much in the current market. Secondly, the Boeser contract, that was completely unnecessary. Everything else is fine to me. I sincerely hope it gets better, but I won’t be surprised if it doesn’t.

You just need to be patient and see how it plays out because you have zero information on what they have to deal with from the owners or from what other teams are telling them. You can always cheer for the Coyotes when the turn the corner in a few years.

That can quickly change though if the owner was willing to make big moves. Every year that they sit and do nothing or little it just prolongs the changes that need to be made.

The owner would gain money actually by making the big moves. Next year he would need to pay Petey in the ballpark of around 10 to 11 mil. that would be taken off the table combined with the two ELC a 2 mil hit for OEL buyout is a 10 mil savings next year a six mil savings in the third year. Too lazy to do the math but there is a benefit in his pocket.
- VANTEL

I don't think FA cares too much about ELC and saving money. Team is capped out every year.

I don't think FA cares too much about ELC and saving money. Team is capped out every year.
- manvanfan

That is too bad. I like Petey a lot but if I had the chance to start over like Vegas and Seattle I would give it a hard look.

I don't think FA cares too much about ELC and saving money. Team is capped out every year.
- manvanfan

There’s obviously a mandate to win from ownership, Allvin and Rutherford just have to manage that with also building a future for the club at the same time.

Toughest for Danielson?

Danielson also was asked to name his toughest NHL Draft-eligible opponent from the WHL prior to being told that Bedard named him.

"It's obviously Bedard, but let's just exclude him from that list because everyone would say that, so for me, it'd probably be (Moose Jaw center) Brayden Yager (5-11, 166; No. 11)," Danielson said. "He's just very skilled offensively, creative and has a great shot. He's also responsible in his own end."

Danielson was asked what made him so effective against Bedard.

"I'm a 200-foot player so I want to play hard against him defensively, but he's going to do his thing," Danielson said. "I think I just kind of tried to play my game, play hard on him and do my best to shut him down."


Brayden Yager meet with 22 teams but mentions STL went well, went to dinner with Pittsburgh, Detroit was good and Chicago.

That is too bad. I like Petey a lot but if I had the chance to start over like Vegas and Seattle I would give it a hard look.
- VANTEL

Well Vegas went out and traded for the guy you are trading away to start over and Stone and signed a lot of expensive free agents. Kind of most of what you don't want the team to do.

What Vegas hasn't done has made the big mistakes like Benning made with contracts and trading.

Toughest for Danielson?

Danielson also was asked to name his toughest NHL Draft-eligible opponent from the WHL prior to being told that Bedard named him.

"It's obviously Bedard, but let's just exclude him from that list because everyone would say that, so for me, it'd probably be (Moose Jaw center) Brayden Yager (5-11, 166; No. 11)," Danielson said. "He's just very skilled offensively, creative and has a great shot. He's also responsible in his own end."

Danielson was asked what made him so effective against Bedard.

"I'm a 200-foot player so I want to play hard against him defensively, but he's going to do his thing," Danielson said. "I think I just kind of tried to play my game, play hard on him and do my best to shut him down."


Brayden Yager meet with 22 teams but mentions STL went well, went to dinner with Pittsburgh, Detroit was good and Chicago.
- manvanfan

Interesting.

Interesting.
- LeftCoaster

Hearing a lot a tid bits from a lot of things but crickets from Van media on what Van has done at the combine or interviewed.