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DraftandDestroy
Arizona Coyotes
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Joined: 11.15.2016

Jun 14 @ 11:19 AM ET
Pretty excited for the draft, what about you guys?
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jun 14 @ 11:19 AM ET
Ben Hutton is a Stanley Cup Champion.


- LeftCoaster


Phil Kessel now has three rings.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 14 @ 11:20 AM ET
Pretty excited for the draft, what about you guys?
- DraftandDestroy


You really need to get a life.
DraftandDestroy
Arizona Coyotes
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Joined: 11.15.2016

Jun 14 @ 11:25 AM ET
I just think it's funny. Obviously abusing LTIR is the playbook for how to win now, every team should be doing it.
- NorthNuck

They weren't abusing anything, Mark Stone had back surgery, twice, Robin Lehner had hip surgery and Nolan Patrick has major concussion issues. You're trying to portray a completely false narrative.
DraftandDestroy
Arizona Coyotes
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Joined: 11.15.2016

Jun 14 @ 11:26 AM ET
You really need to get a life.
- VanHockeyGuy

Says the guy on HB wasting his time, at least I'm getting paid to talk about hockey...I'm winning, you're just wasting your time.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jun 14 @ 11:26 AM ET
They weren't abusing anything, Mark Stone had back surgery, twice, Robin Lehner had hip surgery and Nolan Patrick has major concussion issues. You're trying to portray a completely false narrative.
- DraftandDestroy

Kids today.
DraftandDestroy
Arizona Coyotes
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Joined: 11.15.2016

Jun 14 @ 11:29 AM ET
Kids today.
- Marwood

It's like they don't actually know what they're talking about but it's a fun and cliché thing to say so you have excuses for your own teams failures. The Canucks were also over the cap, as he would describe it. Why didn't they win the Stanley Cup?
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jun 14 @ 11:29 AM ET
They weren't abusing anything, Mark Stone had back surgery, twice, Robin Lehner had hip surgery and Nolan Patrick has major concussion issues. You're trying to portray a completely false narrative.
- DraftandDestroy

You're right, Stone recovering just in time to play in the playoffs is a complete coincidence It's the same thing Tampa did with Kucherov.

I'm not complaining about it, just saying I hope the Canucks are smart enough to use the same methods whenever the team becomes good enough to compete.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Jun 14 @ 11:30 AM ET
They weren't abusing anything, Mark Stone had back surgery, twice, Robin Lehner had hip surgery and Nolan Patrick has major concussion issues. You're trying to portray a completely false narrative.
- DraftandDestroy


And it juuuuuuuuust so happens that Patches and Stone just HAPPENED to go on LTIR in time for Vegas to trade for Eichel and so he could play right? No conspiracy or abuse, just coincidence... nothing to see here.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jun 14 @ 11:31 AM ET
It's like they don't actually know what they're talking about but it's a fun and cliché thing to say so you have excuses for your own teams failures. The Canucks were also over the cap, as he would describe it. Why didn't they win the Stanley Cup?
- DraftandDestroy

Acting like I implied the only reason they won was because of cap circumvention shows how poor your reading comprehension is
DraftandDestroy
Arizona Coyotes
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Joined: 11.15.2016

Jun 14 @ 11:32 AM ET
You're right, Stone recovering just in time to play in the playoffs is a complete coincidence It's the same thing Tampa did with Kucherov.

I'm not complaining about it, just saying I hope the Canucks are smart enough to use the same methods whenever the team becomes good enough to compete.

- NorthNuck

It's not a "coincidence", it's planned by the medical and training staff. They explain to the player that if he wants to play in the playoffs this is your timeline for surgery and subsequent recovery.

For frank sake, they don't just go have surgery so their organization can go over the salary cap. Honest to God, some of the crap written on here never ceases to amaze me!!
DraftandDestroy
Arizona Coyotes
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Joined: 11.15.2016

Jun 14 @ 11:34 AM ET
And it juuuuuuuuust so happens that Patches and Stone just HAPPENED to go on LTIR in time for Vegas to trade for Eichel and so he could play right? No conspiracy or abuse, just coincidence... nothing to see here.
- DariusKnight

You can't put someone on LTIR without medically proving it for insurance purposes. Also, if any team can put a player on LTIR to just make a trade, as you would describe it, why didn't the Canucks put Myers and OEL on LTIR so they could trade for Eichel?
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jun 14 @ 11:35 AM ET
Kids today.
- Marwood

The irony is he is the one acting super naive
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jun 14 @ 11:37 AM ET
It's not a "coincidence", it's planned by the medical and training staff. They explain to the player that if he wants to play in the playoffs this is your timeline for surgery and subsequent recovery.

For frank sake, they don't just go have surgery so their organization can go over the salary cap. Honest to God, some of the crap written on here never ceases to amaze me!!

- DraftandDestroy


Didn’t you hear… everything is a conspiracy! The puppet masters control us all! Wake up fool!
DraftandDestroy
Arizona Coyotes
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Joined: 11.15.2016

Jun 14 @ 11:37 AM ET
The irony is he is the one acting super naive
- NorthNuck

You're completely talking out your ass and trying to oversimplify something that isn't simple. Sure, there's an element of planning to it, but it's no where near as underhanded as fans try to explain it and make excuses for it.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jun 14 @ 11:38 AM ET
It's not a "coincidence", it's planned by the medical and training staff. They explain to the player that if he wants to play in the playoffs this is your timeline for surgery and subsequent recovery.

For frank sake, they don't just go have surgery so their organization can go over the salary cap. Honest to God, some of the crap written on here never ceases to amaze me!!

- DraftandDestroy

He's doing his own research, try not to be too hard on him.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jun 14 @ 11:39 AM ET
You're completely talking out your ass and trying to oversimplify something that isn't simple. Sure, there's an element of planning to it, but it's no where near as underhanded as fans try to explain it and make excuses for it.
- DraftandDestroy

Again, I don't know if you just completely misunderstood me or what, I don't think Vegas won the cup because of LTIR cap space. My original comment literally just said "Vegas won while 14 mil over the cap" and nothing else.
DraftandDestroy
Arizona Coyotes
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Joined: 11.15.2016

Jun 14 @ 11:39 AM ET
Didn’t you hear… everything is a conspiracy! The puppet masters control us all! Wake up fool!
- bloatedmosquito

Speaking of which, I saw an American guy on youtube, who lives in Europe, interviewing people on the streets over there asking what is their present opinion of America....some of them were too funny!!!

One of my favorites was..."a third world country with money"
DraftandDestroy
Arizona Coyotes
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Joined: 11.15.2016

Jun 14 @ 11:40 AM ET
Again, I don't know if you just completely misunderstood me or what, I don't think Vegas won the cup because of LTIR cap space
- NorthNuck

Bottom line, they didn't win because of the salary cap, they won because they have a very good and deep hockey team.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jun 14 @ 11:42 AM ET
Again, I don't know if you just completely misunderstood me or what, I don't think Vegas won the cup because of LTIR cap space. My original comment literally just said "Vegas won while 14 mil over the cap" and nothing else.
- NorthNuck

It sounded, to me, like you were saying they won by being over the cap.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jun 14 @ 11:43 AM ET
Bottom line, they didn't win because of the salary cap, they won because they have a very good and deep hockey team.
- DraftandDestroy

Yup.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jun 14 @ 11:48 AM ET
Bottom line, they didn't win because of the salary cap, they won because they have a very good and deep hockey team.
- DraftandDestroy

Yep. And luck. They were one of the luckiest playoff teams of all time
DraftandDestroy
Arizona Coyotes
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Joined: 11.15.2016

Jun 14 @ 11:52 AM ET
Again, I don't know if you just completely misunderstood me or what, I don't think Vegas won the cup because of LTIR cap space. My original comment literally just said "Vegas won while 14 mil over the cap" and nothing else.
- NorthNuck

Don't take it personal, I'm just giving you my perspective, which doesn't align with yours. To me you implied they won, in part, because they were 14 million over the salary cap, which I disagree with. Robin Lehner and Nolan Patrick make up 6.2 million of that 14 million and they never played a hockey game this year.
DraftandDestroy
Arizona Coyotes
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Joined: 11.15.2016

Jun 14 @ 11:54 AM ET
Yep. And luck. They were one of the luckiest playoff teams of all time
- NorthNuck

I saw that. That's just a fancy stat made up by someone to make excuses. Fancy stats are a useful tool, one of many, but they're just like religion, they're just an excuse to help losers cope with failure.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jun 14 @ 12:09 PM ET
I saw that. That's just a fancy stat made up by someone to make excuses. Fancy stats are a useful tool, one of many, but they're just like religion, they're just an excuse to help losers cope with failure.
- DraftandDestroy

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