They had it in Gustafsson but barely used him; Timmins too is a decent puck mover. Decided to go heavy and couldn't break out unless it was Rielly.
- gravyface

Yeah, Keefe didn't seem to want to lean on Gus at all and there's clearly some doubts in Timmins abilities at this point.

Gus likely does not re-sign.

Timmins probably gets a look this year but isn't ready to carry any significant load.

I'd be looking at signing Schenn and potentially trading Brodie for a legit, 2-way Top 4 piece (whoever that unicorn is).

I’d be ok with Treliving. He put together a good team in Calgary. I think he got a great return for tkachuk under the circumstances. Their goaltending imploded last season and the players quit on sutter. Hiring sutter was his worst mistake.
- shack67

ownership went over his head and hired Sutter

I’d be ok with Treliving. He put together a good team in Calgary. I think he got a great return for tkachuk under the circumstances. Their goaltending imploded last season and the players quit on sutter. Hiring sutter was his worst mistake.
- shack67

I'd just go with this:

President and GM = Shanny
AGM (and heir apparent) = Tulsky
AGM (capologist extraordinaire) = Pridham

Shanahan can lean hard on his AGM's per trades and make the ultimate decisions.

Once Tulsky has additional AGM experience with the Leafs he takes the role.

Treliving sounds like a lock though. Sigh.

Surely the Leafs can find a team to take on Murray for 1 season.
- mjones242

Arizona loves guys on the LTIR. Murray has a 10 team NTC, but at this point you'd almost think you have to ask him: "Do you really think you're going to play and make a meaningful contribution? Really? Before or after that cast comes off and you can stand without tilting to the left?"

Or we could pull the infamous trade #28 with a crappy goalie for #35 with Chicago.

Arizona loves guys on the LTIR. Murray has a 10 team NTC, but at this point you'd almost think you have to ask him: "Do you really think you're going to play and make a meaningful contribution? Really? Before or after that cast comes off and you can stand without tilting to the left?"

Or we could pull the infamous trade #28 with a crappy goalie for #35 with Chicago.
- Monkeypunk

This is the way.

I'd just go with this:

President and GM = Shanny
AGM (and heir apparent) = Tulsky
AGM (capologist extraordinaire) = Pridham

Shanahan can lean hard on his AGM's per trades and make the ultimate decisions.

Once Tulsky has additional AGM experience with the Leafs he takes the role.

Treliving sounds like a lock though. Sigh.
- mjones242

Tulsky is currently an AGM. Excluding for the moment that he would have little reason to make a lateral move, most teams will block a person under contract from making a lateral move - but they rarely want to prevent you from an opportunity to advance your career upwards.

The only way Tulsky moves on from Carolina is if he's named GM.

That'll be on new guy. I just want new guy to be better at assessing goaltender talent. And I do say with due respect to Sammy, because he was far better than most people expected he would be - but Matt Murray didn't surprise anyone.

Gotta be honest - I don't think Treliving showed a whole lot of that talent recognition either. I'll also be fair to both him and Dubas: I think a GM is only as good as the analysts and scouts feeding them information. Let's say that Woll, Peksa and/or Hildeby do work out, then whatever they are doing in evaluating amateur talent is working. I don't know much about Peksa or Akhtyamov to be fair - both playing at what I think is basically an ECHL equivalent in Russia (the VHL)? I think they have KHL - VHL - MHL, and if the KHL is basically AHL-calibre hockey, then . . .

They opted to sign Peksa over Akhtyamov, but I couldn't say why!
- Monkeypunk

KHL = their NHL
VHL = their AHL
MHL = their CHL

I'd just go with this:

President and GM = Shanny
AGM (and heir apparent) = Tulsky
AGM (capologist extraordinaire) = Pridham

Shanahan can lean hard on his AGM's per trades and make the ultimate decisions.

Once Tulsky has additional AGM experience with the Leafs he takes the role.

Treliving sounds like a lock though. Sigh.
- mjones242

It might work, if Shanny had enough sense to use his underlings properly.

Yeah, Keefe didn't seem to want to lean on Gus at all and there's clearly some doubts in Timmins abilities at this point.

Gus likely does not re-sign.

Timmins probably gets a look this year but isn't ready to carry any significant load.

I'd be looking at signing Schenn and potentially trading Brodie for a legit, 2-way Top 4 piece (whoever that unicorn is).
- mjones242

I looked at the leading goal scorers on D.

It is a pretty sad group that could maybe be available.

Plenty of Dillon, Brodie types out there.

But as for top 4 guys that can produce Karlsson, Faulk and Krug(would need retention)
Seversons stats shows he can tilt the ice but it never translates into actual offence.

No way Kraken don't re sign Dunn.

Tulsky is currently an AGM. Excluding for the moment that he would have little reason to make a lateral move, most teams will block a person under contract from making a lateral move - but they rarely want to prevent you from an opportunity to advance your career upwards.

The only way Tulsky moves on from Carolina is if he's named GM.
- Monkeypunk

Yes, I know Tulsky is currently an AGM. My entire reason for wanting him is that he's a certifiable genius and has been very involved in Canes roster construction.

Having said that, he doesn't have the pedigree yet to step into the GM role today.

With some assurances that his advancement would be coming in short order, I'm sure he could be enticed to take an AGM role with the centre of the hockey universe.

Yeah, Keefe didn't seem to want to lean on Gus at all and there's clearly some doubts in Timmins abilities at this point.

Gus likely does not re-sign.

Timmins probably gets a look this year but isn't ready to carry any significant load.

I'd be looking at signing Schenn and potentially trading Brodie for a legit, 2-way Top 4 piece (whoever that unicorn is).
- mjones242

Timmins is an excellent defender. He learned in Colorado who have a better system in place than Keefe employed. If not for early injuries, Timmins would very likely be fronting their top unit, or at least a mainstay in their top-4. He's not physical - like most of Colorado's defensemen for the record - but he's positionally smart, excellent with his stick, closes gaps very well and is not only a good skater, but makes sound breakout passes.

The flubs and gaffes he made last year - mostly on those breakout passes - I would attribute a lot more to rust and lack of use than lack of skill. I maintain that it was a great trade to grab him and we'd be foolish to waste his talent in the pressbox next year.

I'll show you a stiff one...and also, running it up the flagpole.
- Zezel

this reminds me of a very important fact🤔

the British/UK flag is commonly referred to as the “union jack”👍🏿

this is a misnomer as the correct nomenclature is the Union flag👊

The union flag should only be referred to as a “Union Jack” when it has been run up a jackstaff on a maritime vessel👊🏿

My guess is that British naval superiority over a few hundred years and ignorance on the part of British sailors perpetuated this common mistake🤦‍♂️

what a (frank)ing joke🤦🏿‍♂️

edit: nice alliteration👍

Yes, I know Tulsky is currently an AGM. My entire reason for wanting him is that he's a certifiable genius and has been very involved in Canes roster construction.

Having said that, he doesn't have the pedigree yet to step into the GM role today.

With some assurances that his advancement would be coming in short order, I'm sure he could be enticed to take an AGM role with the centre of the hockey universe.
- mjones242

It's not so much as it's Dundon agreeing to let a guy make a lateral move.

I wouldn't if I were him.

It might work, if Shanny had enough sense to use his underlings properly.
- shack67

While it's just speculation, I don't think Shanahan wants that heat. Then again, he's likely on thin ice with MLSE ownership anyway... so why not?

Surely the Leafs can find a team to take on Murray for 1 season.
- mjones242

I'm hopeful but doubtful.

It's $6M in real dollars for a guy that's played himself down to almost nothing. If you were another team would you want Murray or some no name UFA for $1M.

Leafs would have to have a big sweetener I think. Probably too big measured against a buyout that's not too bad.

Yes, I know Tulsky is currently an AGM. My entire reason for wanting him is that he's a certifiable genius and has been very involved in Canes roster construction.

Having said that, he doesn't have the pedigree yet to step into the GM role today.

With some assurances that his advancement would be coming in short order, I'm sure he could be enticed to take an AGM role with the centre of the hockey universe.
- mjones242

I'd take him as the Canes GM right now.

He makes all the decisions anyway.

Seriously. Waddell and Dundon do all the shopping, make the deal, then bring it to Tulsky, Yorke and Brind'amour and they say "Yay" or "Nay"

KHL = their NHL
VHL = their AHL
MHL = their CHL
- AdamFrench

So would the skill level in the VHL be about the same as the ECHL if the KHL is about the same as the AHL or would it be better/worse? I have a vague feel for the KHL in the passing sense that we see how some of their guys translate over here, but that's about it.

I've tried watching it but the quality of the feed I've received is . . sort of like being transported back to the 80's. Not to mention I can't understand a goddamned thing anyone says nor do I know who anyone is.

this reminds me of a very important fact🤔

the British/UK flag is commonly referred to as the “union jack”👍🏿

this is usually a misnomer as the correct nomenclature is the Union flag👊

The union flag should only be referred to as a “Union Jack” when it has been run up a jackstaff on a maritime vessel👊🏿

My guess is that British naval superiority over a few hundred years and ignorance on the part of British sailors perpetuated this common mistake🤦‍♂️

what a (frank)ing joke🤦🏿‍♂️

edit: nice alliteration👍
- Skalapy

Speaking of jack....one-eyed jack's yearnin' to go a peepin' in a seafood store!

Arizona loves guys on the LTIR. Murray has a 10 team NTC, but at this point you'd almost think you have to ask him: "Do you really think you're going to play and make a meaningful contribution? Really? Before or after that cast comes off and you can stand without tilting to the left?"

Or we could pull the infamous trade #28 with a crappy goalie for #35 with Chicago.
- Monkeypunk

Is Muzzins contract insured?

Schmaltz is making 8.5m each year for 3 years.

Is there any way you trade them Murray and Muzzin plus a decent asset for Schmaltz?

They add 4M to the cap and save 2.5M.

Or they buy him out and they save even more?

It's not so much as it's Dundon agreeing to let a guy make a lateral move.

I wouldn't if I were him.
- Monkeypunk

I don't see the issue. 🤷

It's not so much as it's Dundon agreeing to let a guy make a lateral move.

I wouldn't if I were him.
- Monkeypunk

Dundon doesn't really believe in binding contracts. If a guy has an offer to head out and he decides he doesn't want to match it, he'll let them out.

He treats his front office staff as if they're all just regular salaried employees.

I'm hopeful but doubtful.

It's $6M in real dollars for a guy that's played himself down to almost nothing. If you were another team would you want Murray or some no name UFA for $1M.

Leafs would have to have a big sweetener I think. Probably too big measured against a buyout that's not too bad.
- The Law

What are the odds that Chicago wants next year's #1 too?

Mrazek-Murray! Murray-Mrazek! M&M. The path to first pick overall never sounded so delicious!

Dundon doesn't really believe in binding contracts. If a guy has an offer to head out and he decides he doesn't want to match it, he'll let them out.

He treats his front office staff as if they're all just regular salaried employees.
- BINGO!

Wow. Then, yeah. We should go offer him a bunch of money. And hookers.

Timmins is an excellent defender. He learned in Colorado who have a better system in place than Keefe employed. If not for early injuries, Timmins would very likely be fronting their top unit, or at least a mainstay in their top-4. He's not physical - like most of Colorado's defensemen for the record - but he's positionally smart, excellent with his stick, closes gaps very well and is not only a good skater, but makes sound breakout passes.

The flubs and gaffes he made last year - mostly on those breakout passes - I would attribute a lot more to rust and lack of use than lack of skill. I maintain that it was a great trade to grab him and we'd be foolish to waste his talent in the pressbox next year.
- Monkeypunk

If that's true - Keefe should be fired immediately. And if true - that's really good news for the Leafs going forward.

I'm hopeful but doubtful.

It's $6M in real dollars for a guy that's played himself down to almost nothing. If you were another team would you want Murray or some no name UFA for $1M.

Leafs would have to have a big sweetener I think. Probably too big measured against a buyout that's not too bad.
- The Law

2M in year 2 of that buyout isn't fun - especially when you have some big contracts that need to be re-upped.

Frankly, I would keep him and deal him at the TDL if need be. Maybe he bounces back or maybe he can be placed on LTIR.

A buyout should be the last option to explore.