I don't understand this. It isn't "tough" to crosscheck somebody on the ground in the neck while knowing you're doing it. Did you watch the clip? Even in the 90's, this would have been embarrassing and Mike Grier or Tie Domi would have shown up outside his house to cut his Richard off.
- AdamFrench

Exactly.

Bring back real fighters to kick the snot out of someone who does something dirty and it will go away quick. Unless the league rolls back to that stuff like this will happen.

This isn’t bloody roller hockey, and the only way to keep a player from doing something cruel is to have them to know the opposition has someone who teaches them the hard way if necessary.

Otherwise meh, it is what it is and won’t be changing so don’t complain about it.

Dangle's podcast video seemed to suggest that there was a last minute "power play" in the contract that would've given Dubas more autonomy for hockey decisions, which would've basically cost Shanny his job, so he deep-six'ed Dubas instead.

If Dubas had to run everything up the flagpole to Shanny, why doesn't Shanny just pull a Dougie Armstrong and be President/GM, and keep the current Assistant GM staff?
- gravyface

That’s what I said last week. If everything has to go through shanny anyways what’s the point of the gm if they don’t have full autonomy? Just someone to bounce ideas off of?

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Exactly.

Bring back real fighters to kick the snot out of someone who does something dirty and it will go away quick. Unless the league rolls back to that stuff like this will happen.

This isn’t bloody roller hockey, and the only way to keep a player from doing something cruel is to have them to know the opposition has someone who teaches them the hard way if necessary.

Otherwise meh, it is what it is and won’t be changing so don’t complain about it.
- Dozzer

Well I suppose for the Knights, they can thank Benn for not actually injuring Stone and costing them the series. So there's that. He should have crosschecked Stone in the back where he's weak instead of the neck/head.

Well I suppose for the Knights, they can thank Benn for not actually injuring Stone and costing them the series. So there's that. He should have crosschecked Stone in the back where he's weak instead of the neck/head.
- AdamFrench

Allow fighting like it was back in the 90s and that poop would stop quick.

This is the league’s fault for creating the game where this can happen. A player ramped up emotionally isn’t going to be thinking straight. That’s why the rules fall onto the league’s shoulders.

Otherwise, it’s not going to change so complaining about it is nothing more than a waste of breath.

Allow fighting like it was back in the 90s and that poop would stop quick.

This is the league’s fault for creating the game where this can happen. A player ramped up emotionally isn’t going to be thinking straight. That’s why the rules fall onto the league’s shoulders.

Otherwise, it’s not going to change so complaining about it is nothing more than a waste of breath.
- Dozzer

Or, and I’m just spitballing here, hand out significant suspensions when someone pulls that poop. The loss of multiple games (and the $ that goes with it) is going to be more of a disincentive than a 30 second fight

Dangle's podcast video seemed to suggest that there was a last minute "power play" in the contract that would've given Dubas more autonomy for hockey decisions, which would've basically cost Shanny his job, so he deep-six'ed Dubas instead.

If Dubas had to run everything up the flagpole to Shanny, why doesn't Shanny just pull a Dougie Armstrong and be President/GM, and keep the current Assistant GM staff?
- gravyface

Lots of talking heads going on about things that nobody really knows.

Just for context here's Lou after he left ...

What I can say is that Brendan gave me complete autonomy to do what was necessary to have success. I didn’t have to worry about anything that I needed to do. Every resource was given to me by ownership.

From the Amazon series it looks like Shanny lets them all collaborate ..everybody has a roll and they all talk it out and come to a decision. It's not Shanny dictating.

I imagine that they put a few more strings on KD b/c he was young and new at the job as opposed to Lou.

Bottom line ...the new guy, if he's an experienced guy, will presumably have the same autonomy that Lou had.

All that's dictated by the system is that you've got to listen and collaborate. Maybe Kyle didn't want to have to listen to anybody.

Or, and I’m just spitballing here, hand out significant suspensions when someone pulls that poop. The loss of multiple games (and the $ that goes with it) is going to be more of a disincentive than a 30 second fight
- Canada Cup

Unlike Canada teams in the southern US can’t lose their notable players for long amounts of time or they’ll be stung badly for ticket sales.

Which would sting the entire league (the cap would not go up near as much if at all)

The league is maybe 10% as popular (based on percentage) in the states as it is in Canada. And the league has to keep that in mind for suspensions or they’ll be a few owners looking to bump their teams off their books.

Dangle's podcast video seemed to suggest that there was a last minute "power play" in the contract that would've given Dubas more autonomy for hockey decisions, which would've basically cost Shanny his job, so he deep-six'ed Dubas instead.

If Dubas had to run everything up the flagpole to Shanny, why doesn't Shanny just pull a Dougie Armstrong and be President/GM, and keep the current Assistant GM staff?
- gravyface

I doubt Dubas had to run everything up the flagpole.

I doubt Dubas had to run everything up the flagpole.
- mjones242

Ya, I dont' see it at all.

The team is littered with former Greyhounds and players and personnel that he's personally connected with.

I don't understand this. It isn't "tough" to crosscheck somebody on the ground in the neck while knowing you're doing it. Did you watch the clip? Even in the 90's, this would have been embarrassing and Mike Grier or Tie Domi would have shown up outside his house to cut his Richard off.
- AdamFrench

My issue with this whole idea of "it's playoff hockey" is putting the stars like McDavid on the backburner for scrubs that don't matter for 82 games. Like seeing someone pull a Michigan in the playoffs would be a great moment. Instead we are discussing officiating more often than any one goal or highlight from the playoffs.

NHL needs to get rid of the old boys club.

Lots of talking heads going on about things that nobody really knows.

Just for context here's Lou after he left ...

What I can say is that Brendan gave me complete autonomy to do what was necessary to have success. I didn’t have to worry about anything that I needed to do. Every resource was given to me by ownership.

From the Amazon series it looks like Shanny lets them all collaborate ..everybody has a roll and they all talk it out and come to a decision. It's not Shanny dictating.

I imagine that they put a few more strings on KD b/c he was young and new at the job as opposed to Lou.

Bottom line ...the new guy, if he's an experienced guy, will presumably have the same autonomy that Lou had.

All that's dictated by the system is that you've got to listen and collaborate. Maybe Kyle didn't want to have to listen to anybody.
- The Law

Maybe Shanny didn't like Lou having so much power and that's why he liked Dubas for the job, so he can keep him under his thumb.

I do think Dubas needed to clear things with Shanny that would need board approval. Like contracts as an example. It's quite possible he had limits and had to run them by Shanny first.

Same as bigger trades, involving a 1st round pick or something, had to float the idea by Shanny and the board. That seems a little far fetched so I'll stick to the contracts lol

My issue with this whole idea of "it's playoff hockey" is putting the stars like McDavid on the backburner for scrubs that don't matter for 82 games. Like seeing someone pull a Michigan in the playoffs would be a great moment. Instead we are discussing officiating more often than any one goal or highlight from the playoffs.

NHL needs to get rid of the old boys club.
- Aaron_85

sadly the playoffs are different, have always been and it won't change any time soon, up to the teams to adjust and be ready. There is a reason why they say the playoffs are a different animal, not all teams are built for the playoffs. I've been watching hockey for 40+years...playoffs have always been officiated differently than the regular season.

Lots of talking heads going on about things that nobody really knows.

Just for context here's Lou after he left ...

What I can say is that Brendan gave me complete autonomy to do what was necessary to have success. I didn’t have to worry about anything that I needed to do. Every resource was given to me by ownership.

From the Amazon series it looks like Shanny lets them all collaborate ..everybody has a roll and they all talk it out and come to a decision. It's not Shanny dictating.

I imagine that they put a few more strings on KD b/c he was young and new at the job as opposed to Lou.

Bottom line ...the new guy, if he's an experienced guy, will presumably have the same autonomy that Lou had.

All that's dictated by the system is that you've got to listen and collaborate. Maybe Kyle didn't want to have to listen to anybody.
- The Law

Lou and Dubas were two completely different situations though: one is Shanny's mentor, a veteran of the industry, the other is his protege, with no NHL experience.

I doubt Dubas had to run everything up the flagpole.
- mjones242

Probably not everything, certainly not day-to-day minutiae, but major moves had to be as has been reported already in the past.

sadly the playoffs are different, have always been and it won't change any time soon, up to the teams to adjust and be ready. There is a reason why they say the playoffs are a different animal, not all teams are built for the playoffs. I've been watching hockey for 40+years...playoffs have always been officiated differently than the regular season.
- Symba007

Tell me you didn't read my post without telling me you didn't read my post

I wasn't talking about teams having to be ready. I don't disagree it's the reality as it stands. I simply think the league needs to pull their head out of their ass if they want to "grow the game".

Allow fighting like it was back in the 90s and that poop would stop quick.

This is the league’s fault for creating the game where this can happen. A player ramped up emotionally isn’t going to be thinking straight. That’s why the rules fall onto the league’s shoulders.

Otherwise, it’s not going to change so complaining about it is nothing more than a waste of breath.
- Dozzer

He was thinking straight. He literally looked around before doing it to see if nobody would notice.

Marner for Wilson and Mantha

Money works 🤷
- mr.sir

Yes please!

Tell me you didn't read my post without telling me you didn't read my post

I wasn't talking about teams having to be ready. I don't disagree it's the reality as it stands. I simply think the league needs to pull their head out of their ass if they want to "grow the game".
- Aaron_85

Yeah, I agree. The game has evolved, but the officiating hasn't kept up and the DOPS is far too inconsistent to be an effective deterrent: you're basically rolling the dice every shift on whether you'll even take a penalty, let a lone a match penalty and a suspension... and if it's a suspension, is it going to be a light one like Pietrangelo's slash or a stiff one like Bunting's?

then go watch that instead of the Leafs.
- dmnted

I don't follow. Do elaborate.

He was thinking straight. He literally looked around before doing it to see if nobody would notice.
- AdamFrench

If you believe there is any thinking straight in the middle of a NHL playoff game by a player you’re flat out wrong.

It’s hockey, if you don’t like violence go start watching golf or something.

The only way this would not have happened if there was a Probert-esque player for Vegas. This type of crap is nothing new since the league started trying to control fighting more. The league isn’t popular enough in the US to start giving huge suspensions to star players and team captains so we need to shrug off shorter suspensions or hope the league let’s fighting go back to what it was.

Probably not everything, certainly not day-to-day minutiae, but major moves had to be as has been reported already in the past.
- gravyface

This seems like standard operating procedure for any business. Any seismic decision made usually has to be approved from the top.

Whether any moves were truly vetoed by Shanny is another matter and is open to speculation.

Bobrovsky's only competition for the Conn Smythe.

sadly the playoffs are different, have always been and it won't change any time soon, up to the teams to adjust and be ready. There is a reason why they say the playoffs are a different animal, not all teams are built for the playoffs. I've been watching hockey for 40+years...playoffs have always been officiated differently than the regular season.
- Symba007

If the NHL wants to thrive and compete with other major sports they are going to have to rethink how the game should be officiated during the playoffs.

There is most certainly an "old boy's club" mentality that seems to want to punish skill play and keep its stars from becoming bigger than the game.

It's foolish, but you're not wrong: nothing is going to change any time soon. Not unless the NHL starts hemorrhaging attendance and viewership numbers(which, I believe, is on the horizon).

If you believe there is any thinking straight in the middle of a NHL playoff game by a player you’re flat out wrong.

It’s hockey, if you don’t like violence go start watching golf or something.

The only way this would not have happened if there was a Probert-esque player for Vegas. This type of crap is nothing new since the league started trying to control fighting more. The league isn’t popular enough in the US to start giving huge suspensions to star players and team captains so we need to shrug off shorter suspensions or hope the league let’s fighting go back to what it was.
- Dozzer

I missed that there are no more fights in the NHL. In fact there are often fights after these dirty hits. If you want to cut down on dirty, injury causing bullpoop, you need to make sure there’s a price to be paid. A fight won’t do it. Significant suspensions hurt players more than a fight. And owners don’t want to see star players out with injuries for extended periods.