Carbery's movement schemes turbocharged the Leafs PP. He's also apparently big into pro skills development which is still a relatively new school thing for some reason. Very receptive to game planning and making adjustments based on data too, as you'd expect from somebody who worked for Dubas.
- Tomahawk

chivalry isn't dead.....

Those are all good things he did, no question. Are they innovative though? Would I rather have them over Torts yes 100%. Give me the unknow over the torts known at this point.

Do you think Brunette would've faired better last year if they had Tkachuk and Bobrovsky standing on his head? The Panthers are benefitting from a lot of what Brunette did there.
- MJL

Maybe if Brunette is there they don't make the move for Katchuk. I don't know. He isn't the coach though so we can only play what if's.

Only two teams are in the finals so those teams did it right this year. That's really all that matters.

And brought in the dinosaur lol
- ClaudeFather

Maurice? Very knowledgeable. Maybe a little intellectual cocky for some.

Maurice? Very knowledgeable. Maybe a little intellectual cocky for some.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

love his sarcastic humor

Caps and Preds are hiring modern day young and innovative coaches in Carbery and Brunnette. We have Brontosaurus Tortorella.
- MJL

Strange that the trap lover TrotZ went for an offensive fire-wagon hockey guy in Brunette. The Panther team he coached was always fun to watch.

Brunette did the same thing in Florida while working with the forwards and the PP there. Increased shot and chance quality. He then went to NJ and did the same thing to help Lindy Ruff. Both modern day NHL coaches who understand how to coach in the game today. We get shot blocking and intangibles and wondering if a player is a scorer or a banger.
- MJL

And the worst PP in the league, worse than even the two clubs who deliberately stripped their rosters down to the bone to tank.

wonder where CC will be watching the games.
- hello it's me 2050

A much nicer house than yours.

Dave Brown, one of the all-time Flyer greats.

Dave Brown actually had the primary assist on the Flyers' first goal in that famous 1987 SCF game 6 (the one won by JJ Daigneault's goal).

A much nicer house than yours.
- Feanor

This is amazing! 😂😂

Maybe if Brunette is there they don't make the move for Katchuk. I don't know. He isn't the coach though so we can only play what if's.

Only two teams are in the finals so those teams did it right this year. That's really all that matters.
- J35Bacher

Zito made the move for Tkachuk. I doubt that Brunette still being there would've kept Zito from acquiring Tkachuk.

That their team isn't in the finals, or got knocked out early. Doesn't mean a coach is not a high quality coach. Arguably the two best coaches in the league. Montgomery and Brind'Amour got knocked out.

Strange that the trap lover TrotZ went for an offensive fire-wagon hockey guy in Brunette. The Panther team he coached was always fun to watch.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Calling Barry Trotz a trap lover is not accurate. All teams play some sort of a neutral zone forecheck situationally. Trotz plays a 1-1-3 situationally such as against an opposition controlled breakout. His main defensive philosophy is tight gap control with sticks on pucks with strong forward back pressure. He coaches a high level of defensive detail such as he wants his defenseman to get sticks on pucks with one hand while forcing puck carriers to the defenseman's outside shoulder. He wants to challenge puck carriers on the rush.

Caps and Preds are hiring modern day young and innovative coaches in Carbery and Brunnette. We have Brontosaurus Tortorella.
- MJL

Who did they fire?

Ahh, sorry.

Yeah, Ive been pretty clear on my position that every draft needs to be taken on its own. You can really only compare the success of a draft as compared to who was taken in the same draft AFTER your pick. People can complain about the Laughton pick, (and some do) but when you look at it, who would you have really picked instead of him? There are a few but it's not some cut and dry thing where you can point to this guy or that guy and say it was a bad pick after the fact.
- MBFlyerfan

I agree 100%

Brunette did the same thing in Florida while working with the forwards and the PP there. Increased shot and chance quality. He then went to NJ and did the same thing to help Lindy Ruff. Both modern day NHL coaches who understand how to coach in the game today. We get shot blocking and intangibles and wondering if a player is a scorer or a banger.
- MJL

Brunette was schooled in last year's playoffs by Cooper. Also noticed during last night's telecast how much they mentioned Vegas' propensity for blocking shots and how important of a role it plays in their defensive scheme. Perhaps it's not quite as archaic as you think?

Can't make this sh!t up! Apparently someone hired(rented) one of those banner planes that fly up and down the beaches at the Jersey shore over the weekend. And the banner read "Brian Roberts-sell the Flyers"!!

Thanks, Bill! I always enjoy reading about the old trades again. Nothing against Brown, but I remember be so ticked off that we traded Mellanby and Berube. Great memories!

That's actually the first time I commented on the hiring of those two coaches. There is plenty that is wrong with Tortorella.
- MJL

My take on the Tortorella hire was it was an immediate response to instill discipline and structure to a locker room sorely in need of it. Torts outlook on tactics was almost secondary, whether right or wrong.

My take on the Tortorella hire was it was an immediate response to instill discipline and structure to a locker room sorely in need of it. Torts outlook on tactics was almost secondary, whether right or wrong.
- Sublime55

100%

does development need to improve yes 100%.

That being said compared to other teams how much "worse' are the flyers in getting players to become regular at the NHL level? They say 2 from each draft class is a success, or at least that was the case in the past.

To me it is more a drafting issue. How much more? Not sure.
- hello it's me 2050

I do not think the Flyers do a ton to help players get to the NHL. If anything they are almost a deterrent in some cases. I agree they have favored "safe" players in terms of who they drafted over more skilled players over the last decade.

Both ends of draft and develop need to improve dramatically for me.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageism

Caps and Preds are hiring modern day young and innovative coaches in Carbery and Brunnette. We have Brontosaurus Tortorella.
-MJL

Wow, this is one of the most humorous posts you have ever posted! Thanks for getting me off my chair! The Brontosaurus as you call him has over 700 NHL wins and a Stanley Cup as a head coach, while Carbery has NEVER coached a game in the NHL, and Brunette coached one season (51 wins) and a President's trophy team to a first round exit in the playoffs. But according to you, these are modern day innovative coaches. You really can't make this up. No thanks, I'll take the Brontosaurus!

I do not think the Flyers do a ton to help players get to the NHL. If anything they are almost a deterrent in some cases. I agree they have favored "safe" players in terms of who they drafted over more skilled players over the last decade.

Both ends of draft and develop need to improve dramatically for me.
- mickel25

The Flyers played it safe under Hextall but I don't think that was true with Fletcher and Flahr. Tuomaala was certainly not a safe pick, he was clearly high risk high reward. Foerster was a raw player with an incredible shot, but he certainly was not touted as a 200 foot player when he was drafted. I would argue York was not a safe pick, but more a pick to fill a need in the organization at the time. The safe pick at 5 this past draft would have been Jiracek, but again Fletcher chose to draft Gauthier to fill a need in the organization. I'm not defending Fletcher mind you, just stating what he did. When drafting in the top 10 in a good draft, I agree with Briere that you draft best player available, even if you are stocked up at that position.

My take on the Tortorella hire was it was an immediate response to instill discipline and structure to a locker room sorely in need of it. Torts outlook on tactics was almost secondary, whether right or wrong.
- Sublime55

I agree. You had a player in Atkinson that came in here completely from the outside and after only 1 season stated publicly that the atmosphere around the team was that of a country club (Thanks Claude!). This team and entire organization needed a shake-up and that is exactly what Torts has done in only his first season. The locker room is completely changed based on the players feedback throughout the season, and we all know the leadership of the franchise has completely changed. Without Torts, this does not happen IMO.

Brunette was schooled in last year's playoffs by Cooper. Also noticed during last night's telecast how much they mentioned Vegas' propensity for blocking shots and how important of a role it plays in their defensive scheme. Perhaps it's not quite as archaic as you think?
- Phillywhiteout

Explain to me in what way specifically did Cooper school Brunette in the playoffs last year? What specific tactics did Cooper use?

Blocking shots in and of itself, is not a bad thing. It is however a bad thing when your entire defensive system is based on blocked shots and you just sit back passively and let the opposition move the puck around and fire to the net.

What else have you got?

My take on the Tortorella hire was it was an immediate response to instill discipline and structure to a locker room sorely in need of it. Torts outlook on tactics was almost secondary, whether right or wrong.
- Sublime55

Structure to a locker room? Okay. Whenever you have a team that loses, frustration kicks in and there are inevitably going to be differences. That's human nature. Winning cures all of that and you win not with any short term temporary gains made by an archaic coach who hangs his hat on intangibles and discipline. You win by adding talent and skill and playing a modern brand of NHL hockey. That is what builds long term success. Tortorella is fine for a few years but he will eventually have to go. I pray that he doesn't move into the front office and the Flyers give him a significant role after he is done coaching.