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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 31 @ 8:07 AM ET


Wow, this is one of the most humorous posts you have ever posted! Thanks for getting me off my chair! The Brontosaurus as you call him has over 700 NHL wins and a Stanley Cup as a head coach, while Carbery has NEVER coached a game in the NHL, and Brunette coached one season (51 wins) and a President's trophy team to a first round exit in the playoffs. But according to you, these are modern day innovative coaches. You really can't make this up. No thanks, I'll take the Brontosaurus!

- jd250


This is the same nonsense that you posted when we were in disagreement on Fletcher. What would determine if a coach is innovative and modern day? Their coaching record or their approach to how they coach the game? Of course you would take the Brontosaurus. You are as misguided on him as you were on Fletcher and on everything else. Tortorella in his last 15 seasons as a head coach, has only taken one team past the 2nd round of the playoffs. His Cup win was almost 20 years ago. He is is dinosaur and extremely overrated.
How many times do you have to be proven wrong? You've literally been proven wrong on 99% of what you post for literally years. That is the definition of humorous. I can't wait for the day when you turn on Tortorella and what kind of spin you'll attempt.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 31 @ 8:11 AM ET
The Flyers played it safe under Hextall but I don't think that was true with Fletcher and Flahr. Tuomaala was certainly not a safe pick, he was clearly high risk high reward. Foerster was a raw player with an incredible shot, but he certainly was not touted as a 200 foot player when he was drafted. I would argue York was not a safe pick, but more a pick to fill a need in the organization at the time. The safe pick at 5 this past draft would have been Jiracek, but again Fletcher chose to draft Gauthier to fill a need in the organization. I'm not defending Fletcher mind you, just stating what he did. When drafting in the top 10 in a good draft, I agree with Briere that you draft best player available, even if you are stocked up at that position.
- jd250


Tuomaala was a 2nd round pick. It's all risk and reward in the 2nd round. With last years 5th pick, Jiracek wouldn't have filled a need in the organization? There was no need for a top pairing RH defenseman?

They didn't draft Gauthier to fill a need. They drafted him because they felt he was the best player.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

May 31 @ 8:12 AM ET
The Flyers played it safe under Hextall but I don't think that was true with Fletcher and Flahr. Tuomaala was certainly not a safe pick, he was clearly high risk high reward. Foerster was a raw player with an incredible shot, but he certainly was not touted as a 200 foot player when he was drafted. I would argue York was not a safe pick, but more a pick to fill a need in the organization at the time. The safe pick at 5 this past draft would have been Jiracek, but again Fletcher chose to draft Gauthier to fill a need in the organization. I'm not defending Fletcher mind you, just stating what he did. When drafting in the top 10 in a good draft, I agree with Briere that you draft best player available, even if you are stocked up at that position.
- jd250


I just do not trust this team to get anything right. I need to see more consistent results in terms of who they draft and how they develop. Just picking more skilled players really doesn't correct the issue. I have no choice but to hope it will be different with the triumvirate. I am skeptical to say the least.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 31 @ 8:13 AM ET
I don't really expect any coach to innovate or be on the cutting edge.

I'd just hope that they aren't resistant to change and are willing to get current with the times.

Torts is just as stubborn, self-righteous and obsolete as they come.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 31 @ 8:14 AM ET
https://twitter.com/Broad...5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

more of the same old same old from danny boy. Not surprising seeing who he learned from an idolizes.

team identity is important and needs to be carried on even though the game has changed.

mentions the blues as a model of success. Wow that is the team they want to emulate. Mentions team concept, whatever that is...


other tidbits supports the scouting and what not. which i guess at this stage he kind of has to.

Not very inspired by this 3 headed monster in any way
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

May 31 @ 8:24 AM ET
I don't really expect any coach to innovate or be on the cutting edge.

I'd just hope that they aren't resistant to change and are willing to get current with the times.

Torts is just as stubborn, self-righteous and obsolete as they come.

- Tomahawk
This is the part of Torts that concerns me the most. Any good manager in any profession needs to use his resources (talented people around you). Torts seems like he is on an island and knows everything. That never works. Just ask Hextall when he was GM here. He isolated himself and divided the ranks. It still drives me crazy that Torts refused to drop the 2 defensemen in overtime thing. It was an epic failure and yet he wouldn't admit that it was a failure and go back to the standard two forward overtime setup. That's just not a good look.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 31 @ 8:33 AM ET
https://twitter.com/BroadStHockey/status/1663594683660943365?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1663594683660943365%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

more of the same old same old from danny boy. Not surprising seeing who he learned from an idolizes.

team identity is important and needs to be carried on even though the game has changed.

mentions the blues as a model of success. Wow that is the team they want to emulate. Mentions team concept, whatever that is...


other tidbits supports the scouting and what not. which i guess at this stage he kind of has to.

Not very inspired by this 3 headed monster in any way

- hello it's me 2050


He should be a politician. Nothing but a string of non-answers and platitudes.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 31 @ 8:43 AM ET
This is the part of Torts that concerns me the most. Any good manager in any profession needs to use his resources (talented people around you). Torts seems like he is on an island and knows everything. That never works. Just ask Hextall when he was GM here. He isolated himself and divided the ranks. It still drives me crazy that Torts refused to drop the 2 defensemen in overtime thing. It was an epic failure and yet he wouldn't admit that it was a failure and go back to the standard two forward overtime setup. That's just not a good look.
- Phillywhiteout


Hextall wanted to not isolate himself. That is not accurate. What he wanted to do was isolate the hockey ops department from the alumni and the old school advisors. That rank needed to be divided and still does. Hextall was absolutely correct in that assessment.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 31 @ 8:44 AM ET
This is the part of Torts that concerns me the most. Any good manager in any profession needs to use his resources (talented people around you). Torts seems like he is on an island and knows everything. That never works. Just ask Hextall when he was GM here. He isolated himself and divided the ranks. It still drives me crazy that Torts refused to drop the 2 defensemen in overtime thing. It was an epic failure and yet he wouldn't admit that it was a failure and go back to the standard two forward overtime setup. That's just not a good look.
- Phillywhiteout


Yeah, he's a true believer in his own gospel.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 31 @ 8:46 AM ET
This is the part of Torts that concerns me the most. Any good manager in any profession needs to use his resources (talented people around you). Torts seems like he is on an island and knows everything. That never works. Just ask Hextall when he was GM here. He isolated himself and divided the ranks. It still drives me crazy that Torts refused to drop the 2 defensemen in overtime thing. It was an epic failure and yet he wouldn't admit that it was a failure and go back to the standard two forward overtime setup. That's just not a good look.
- Phillywhiteout

because he is a smug I am always right kind of person. Saint Ronnie similar as always the smartest guy n the room.

The fact he doesn't want to add a PP coach is a joke. The OT issue is just him being a straight up clown. Does the GM also like the 2 d format?

Looking forward to being entertained again watching this schitt show
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 31 @ 8:46 AM ET
Hextall wanted to not isolate himself. That is not accurate. What he wanted to do was isolate the hockey ops department from the alumni and the old school advisors. That rank needed to be divided and still does. Hextall was absolutely correct in that assessment.
- MJL

defend to the end. Any idea where your dad said he may be employed at next season?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 31 @ 8:47 AM ET
He should be a politician. Nothing but a string of non-answers and platitudes.
- Tomahawk

ha, same ole flyers rhetoric.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 31 @ 9:48 AM ET
I don't really expect any coach to innovate or be on the cutting edge.

I'd just hope that they aren't resistant to change and are willing to get current with the times.

Torts is just as stubborn, self-righteous and obsolete as they come.

- Tomahawk


In retrospect. innovative is probably not the right adjective to use. I don't know if either of those coaches have invented anything. However, the adjectives you used to describe Tortorella are spot on. Especially obsolete.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 31 @ 10:21 AM ET
always good to remind ourselves this is mostly opinion and conjecture on our part.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 31 @ 10:43 AM ET
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Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

May 31 @ 12:23 PM ET
This is the part of Torts that concerns me the most. Any good manager in any profession needs to use his resources (talented people around you). Torts seems like he is on an island and knows everything. That never works. Just ask Hextall when he was GM here. He isolated himself and divided the ranks. It still drives me crazy that Torts refused to drop the 2 defensemen in overtime thing. It was an epic failure and yet he wouldn't admit that it was a failure and go back to the standard two forward overtime setup. That's just not a good look.
- Phillywhiteout

He was clearly helping the tank, but juat in a sly way
I have no proof of this but it's just fun to say things and watzh everybody argue
But Torts did a lot of questionable things that ultimately helped us suck even more, and his 3 on 3 personnel choices are near the top of the list
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