Location: The Name Of The Game Is Hockey, ON Joined: 02.28.2011
May 31 @ 12:24 PM ET
Didn’t Ontario also vote for a conservative government. - shack67
Well...of the 43% of eligible voters who actually voted, 40% voted for Ford, which isn't the same as voting for a government that represents conservative principles. That option was not available on the ballot unfortunately.
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high Joined: 09.15.2010
May 31 @ 12:34 PM ET
Shanahan was a baby. Got his feelings hurt and made a decision based entirely around it. End of.
If moving on from Dubas was the plan, I could accept it. But it wasn't. Shanahan wanted to sign him to a 5 year deal. Then he got his widdle feewings hurt, and flip flopped because of it.
That's actually sad. - GreatGigInTheSky
To stay with the leafs you have to be willing to essentially make it 100% of your life. Dubas was not, he had to check with his wife first, and saying that got his employers to say “(frank) off then”.
It’s the leafs, the employees don’t come first the team does or you will no longer work for them, pretty simple.
And why are so many so upset about Dubas? His leafs got past the first round once and when they did the “offensive” team nearly got swept and couldn’t even score more than twice in a game.
Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON Joined: 12.22.2014
May 31 @ 12:40 PM ET
What feelings? I dont understand this "got his feelings hurt" bs.
Dubas waivered, seemed to have negotiated in bad faith...thats bad business.
Shanny moved on.
This bs upset feelings some fans whine about seems a bit foolish imo - Fakepartofme
1. You and I and everyone else have very minimal actual information on this only what was chosen to be shared and we don't even know if it's accurate as there are contradictions in some of what Shanny said vs what Dubas said.
2. Dubas provided VERY LITTLE insight into what occurred as far as timelines and what was agreed upon vs what was counter proposed etc.
3. Shanny provided his version of a very detailed (and perhaps scripted for him) account of what went down from his perspective.
4. As someone else pointed out the word "framework" was used specifically, that in itself leads one to believe nothing was in stone and anything could potentially be rediscussed or negotiated.
5. Negotiating in bad faith? This is because Dubas asked for more $? Why didn't they just say no, sorry this is our best deal? I mean then Dubas would have had to decide and potentially look like it was all about the $ if he said he passed. Missed opportunity to me from MLSE - I mean if they were really that concerned about his dedication to the team based on one press conference after a tough 2nd round loss and all that goes with that what does that say about MLSE & who would even want to work for them? Good lord they could have said to Dubas "you need to clarify your comments from the presser" and he would have got the hint and I'm sure walked back what needed to be or 'clarified' it.
6. A deal falling apart often has blame on both sides of the fence. I'm not sure how many negotiations (business related because that's what this is 100%) you've been involved in but I've had the pain of negotiating several CBA's. An 11th hour "oh we changed our mind on this item and want more" or "we forgot to say we want this until now" is VERY common. It is certainly not something that prevents a deal from being reached it's just a PITA and another thing to negotiate and settle. To say that it's "Bargaining in bad faith" is a very big leap IMO.
So yes to some it feels like Shanny/MLSE got a bit ticked off that Dubas felt he had any negotiating room at all and perhaps that influenced them enough to take their ball and go look for someone else to play with.
It very well could have been Dubas being shrewd and knowing that was an exit strategy that would play out and let him leave not looking like he quit on them and didn't want to be a GM. I don't know that I can buy into that based on who Dubas SEEMS to be as a person but business is business so you never know.
Who really knows at this point and we probably never will but now the Leafs have their 3rd GM in 10 years and I will predict by Christmas unless they are destroying the entire league their 3rd coach too.
What's the commonality of all those changes?
Shanny
End of the day if Dubas has success in Pittsburgh and Tree-living becomes Tree-dying here I think it's a fair assumption that Dubas was not the issue in Toronto no?
Well...of the 43% of eligible voters who actually voted, 40% voted for Ford, which isn't the same as voting for a government that represents conservative principles. That option was not available on the ballot unfortunately. - Zezel
That 43% turnout is pretty bad. The old people who always vote are dying off In guess.
Location: The Name Of The Game Is Hockey, ON Joined: 02.28.2011
May 31 @ 12:49 PM ET
That 43% turnout is pretty bad. The old people who always vote are dying off In guess. - shack67
It took me about 10 minutes to vote, including walking to the poll. The place was empty. People get the government they deserve when they can't get off their fat cans.
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON Joined: 06.12.2017
May 31 @ 12:52 PM ET
What feelings? I dont understand this "got his feelings hurt" bs.
Dubas waivered, seemed to have negotiated in bad faith...thats bad business.
Shanny moved on.
This bs upset feelings some fans whine about seems a bit foolish imo - Fakepartofme
Did you watch the press conference? It was basically him crying for 20 minutes.
Shanahan thinking a contract is done, when the agent hadn't even shown it to his client yet, is entirely on Shanahan. That's not negotiating in bad faith. That's Shanahan thinking his work is done before it really even got started.
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON Joined: 06.27.2013
May 31 @ 12:54 PM ET
You would also think that Shanahan would know that you need players who are willing to go to the net to win a Cup. - fifty__missions
Something you may not love to hear but Matthew Tkachuk's shot distance in the playoffs is also further away than it was during the season.
Toronto's team season average shooting distance was 30.16 feet. In the playoffs that increased to 31.32 feet.
Florida's team season average shooting distance was 32.37 feet. In the playoffs it's been 33.58 feet.
Florida is where they are because of Bobrovsky. If we're going to nail our management for a failing, it's failing to land a goalie who can put up one of the best performances in the last 20 years in the playoffs.
Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON Joined: 12.22.2014
May 31 @ 12:58 PM ET
Well...of the 43% of eligible voters who actually voted, 40% voted for Ford, which isn't the same as voting for a government that represents conservative principles. That option was not available on the ballot unfortunately. - Zezel
Electoral reform provincially and federally is needed.
Look at the last (wastefully) federal election results - The Conservative federal leader has 33.74% of the votes while the Liberals had 32.62 but we have a liberal minority.
Promises of electoral reform is something people want as is exemplified by it being a part of many parties campaign platforms but then when they get into power and the time to put the axe to the grindstone and make it happens is upon them the reneg on it.
The current minority liberals are the latest example of this.
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON Joined: 06.12.2017
May 31 @ 1:00 PM ET
To stay with the leafs you have to be willing to essentially make it 100% of your life. Dubas was not, he had to check with his wife first, and saying that got his employers to say “(frank) off then”.
It’s the leafs, the employees don’t come first the team does or you will no longer work for them, pretty simple.
And why are so many so upset about Dubas? His leafs got past the first round once and when they did the “offensive” team nearly got swept and couldn’t even score more than twice in a game.
He’s not that big of a loss, end of story. - Dozzer
I've made it clear that if moving on from him was the path they wanted to take, then I'd accept it.
But it's not. They wanted him back. They were offering him a 5 year contract, which Dubas accepted. Then they pulled the rug from underneath it at the last second.
That's not at all how a well run organisation does things. It's hasty and emotional. And in all honestly, the Leafs should be well above that.
It's not the outcome I dislike, it's the process. It doesn't, and shouldn't, inspire confidence that they'll do the best thing, which is all that we as fans can ask for.
