So make your own phrasing. I don't care what you call it, making massive organizational impacting decisions from a self professed position of changing your mind on a whim is not how business is conducted.
- joel878

Not always....but yes it does occur.
Many ways to conduct business, changing your mind after someone says they are unsure they want to be part of a team and then asking for money to stay with the team they say they only want to work for....happens. (not in the exact same circumstances)
But business leaders pivot last minute often.

Yes. Wasting time looking for a new GM when they were about to hand the last one 5 years. But changed their minds in the span of 3 or 4 days all because Shanahan had a hissyfit.

Time would've been much better spent looking for a new coach and getting prepped to go.

But now they're interviewing the worst of the worst of the recently fired morons for GM and Brunette, arguably the best candidate for coaching, signed elsewhere.

Thanks, man. Antibiotics are working well, at least. Pills a (frank)ing huge, though.
- GreatGigInTheSky

It wasnt a hissifit IMO, he lost confidence in him and he wanted to change the perimeters of what had already been put in place for the contract. At least from what was reported.
Ya not too impressed with who have been reported to have had a discussion with the leafs....if true.

Going to post a Marner trade per blog until one sticks!
Here's one for the sentimental types:

To Calgary: Marner, Robertson, #28 pick

To Toronto: Kadri, Wolf, Dube, #16 pick
or
Kadri, Hannafin, #16, and a 2nd, and we throw in Timmins.

?
?

It wasnt a hissifit IMO, he lost confidence in him and he wanted to change the perimeters of what had already been put in place for the contract. At least from what was reported.
Ya not too impressed with who have been reported to have had a discussion with the leafs....if true.
- Fakepartofme

Treliving would certainly make life easier for Shanny. He has experience in dealing with an interventionist owner and he’s buddy with the Chair of MLSE. When it comes to the actual hockey stuff, he’s just a guy. He’s better than most of those available but it’s not clear he’s any better than Dubas.

Not always....but yes it does occur.
Many ways to conduct business, changing your mind after someone says they are unsure they want to be part of a team and then asking for money to stay with the team they say they only want to work for....happens. (not in the exact same circumstances)
But business leaders pivot last minute often.
- Fakepartofme

Not at the detriment of the organization.

The counterargument to that seems to be that this isn't a detrimental time, people of that mindset are missing the bus in a big way:

The coveted Mirtle who gets referenced here on the regular:

"It was nothing like the current moment for the Leafs, when a series of franchise-altering decisions need to be made (or not) and need to be made in almost no time, all by someone coming in (almost certainly) from outside the organization."

"The next Leafs GM is going to presumably arrive in early June and in a matter of weeks will need to address a number of priorities which include:

-Making a decision on the head coach, which means keeping Sheldon Keefe or hiring a replacement

-Convincing Matthews to sign an extension

-Determining whether a star trade involving one of William Nylander or Mitch Marner makes any sense

-Trading one of those stars and doing it before July 1 when they gain control over the process

- Extending Nylander as soon as July 1, or not

-Filling numerous holes in the roster, either through free agency or trade, including a No. 2 centre and top-four defenceman

-Finding a way out from the Matt Murray contract

-Signing Ilya Samsonov

-Leading the Leafs at the draft with an unfamiliar staff

-Addressing the captaincy, or not"

The idea that this is incredibly poor timing is not a secret, anywhere.

Shanahan making the decision to fire the GM without any potential replacement at play in a time all these decisions need to be made and there's an incredibly short runway to do so, is in fact a decision made on a whim at the detriment of the organization.

Fact: the best GM on the open market who may be available to hire right now is the individual Shanahan fired.

Yes because all the credit failure or winning belongs to the GM.

I think you can and should separate the two. Dubas I think did well as GM of the leafs. I think the players failed him. Are they talented enough to win? Yes. Did Dubas do what he could to build around his superstars? Yes.

I can't ask for more of what Dubas did.

With that said he's not without mistakes or faults. I personally think the good outweighs the bad is all.

I'm sure we can both agree though that all this aside, it's a lot more fun having superstars than without them and hoping Bozak becomes one or that Tim Connelly somehow is not a walking bandaid.
- Aaron_85

Do you have a Dubas sex doll?

Going to post a Marner trade per blog until one sticks!
Here's one for the sentimental types:

To Calgary: Marner, Robertson, #28 pick

To Toronto: Kadri, Wolf, Dube, #16 pick
or
Kadri, Hannafin, #16, and a 2nd, and we throw in Timmins.

?
?
- oldstyle

Has to start with a Lindholm that commits to signing or is signed

Yes. Wasting time looking for a new GM when they were about to hand the last one 5 years. But changed their minds in the span of 3 or 4 days all because Shanahan had a hissyfit.

Time would've been much better spent looking for a new coach and getting prepped to go.

But now they're interviewing the worst of the worst of the recently fired morons for GM and Brunette, arguably the best candidate for coaching, signed elsewhere.

Thanks, man. Antibiotics are working well, at least. Pills a (frank)ing huge, though.
- GreatGigInTheSky

was about to mentioned that

Do you have a Dubas sex doll?
- Marwood

You definitely have an Aaron sex doll. My God, almost time for him to get a restraining order. You need a life beyond him.

Do you have a Dubas sex doll?
- Marwood

how is yours working out?


Oh Hi there again

Do you have a Dubas sex doll?
- Marwood

How the hell are you not permanently banned at this point?

It wasnt a hissifit IMO, he lost confidence in him and he wanted to change the perimeters of what had already been put in place for the contract. At least from what was reported.
Ya not too impressed with who have been reported to have had a discussion with the leafs....if true.
- Fakepartofme

You mean he was negotiating? And the two things he wanted aren't, or at the very least shouldn't be, hard to accept.

Money should never, ever stop the Leafs from getting "their" guy. Richest organisation in the sport. They should (frank)ing act like it.

And Dubas wanting a direct line, so as to not wait 3 damn days again for a response, sounds like an obvious thing the GM should have. Especially one that's been in the organisation for almost a decade.

Treliving would certainly make life easier for Shanny. He has experience in dealing with an interventionist owner and he’s buddy with the Chair of MLSE. When it comes to the actual hockey stuff, he’s just a guy. He’s better than most of those available but it’s not clear he’s any better than Dubas.
- Canada Cup

Would make a great AGM.

Shanahan fired the GM that was good because he had a temper tantrum.

The team now has no GM with many critical decisions to be made and an absolute field of potatos to pick from.

It's not a need to pick sides, it's a conclusion based on a simple observation of the teams current standing.

Maybe some examples of other teams who have left themselves in similar positons and have positive results to show for it will make people not want to take that conclusion so seriously. 🤷
- joel878

🤦‍♂️

How the hell are you not permanently banned at this point?
- Scabeh

under threat of being sued!!!!

so hockeybuzz backed off the ban.

Not at the detriment of the organization.

The counterargument to that seems to be that this isn't a detrimental time, people of that mindset are missing the bus in a big way:

The coveted Mirtle who gets referenced here on the regular:

"It was nothing like the current moment for the Leafs, when a series of franchise-altering decisions need to be made (or not) and need to be made in almost no time, all by someone coming in (almost certainly) from outside the organization."

"The next Leafs GM is going to presumably arrive in early June and in a matter of weeks will need to address a number of priorities which include:

-Making a decision on the head coach, which means keeping Sheldon Keefe or hiring a replacement

-Convincing Matthews to sign an extension

-Determining whether a star trade involving one of William Nylander or Mitch Marner makes any sense

-Trading one of those stars and doing it before July 1 when they gain control over the process

- Extending Nylander as soon as July 1, or not

-Filling numerous holes in the roster, either through free agency or trade, including a No. 2 centre and top-four defenceman

-Finding a way out from the Matt Murray contract

-Signing Ilya Samsonov

-Leading the Leafs at the draft with an unfamiliar staff

-Addressing the captaincy, or not"

The idea that this is incredibly poor timing is not a secret, anywhere.

Shanahan making the decision to fire the GM without any potential replacement at play in a time all these decisions need to be made and there's an incredibly short runway to do so, is in fact a decision made on a whim at the detriment of the organization.

Fact: the best GM on the open market who may be available to hire right now is the individual Shanahan fired.
- joel878

Agreed

How the hell are you not permanently banned at this point?
- Scabeh

Open season on Leafs fans.

But a Vancouver fan trolls in here and I get banned for calling him an idiot. By the Vancouver mod.

Hilarious, eh? That's a (frank)ing setup.

You mean he was negotiating? And the two things he wanted aren't, or at the very least shouldn't be, hard to accept.

Money should never, ever stop the Leafs from getting "their" guy. Richest organisation in the sport. They should (frank)ing act like it.

And Dubas wanting a direct line, so as to not wait 3 damn days again for a response, sounds like an obvious thing the GM should have. Especially one that's been in the organisation for almost a decade.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Sorry, dubas hasnt earned the right to be the highest paid gm in the league..or even one of them. From all accounts, the contract was done, he had agreed to money.
Dubas seemed to waffle, which is a red flag in business...almost like negotiating in bad faith.
Dubas incorrectly thought he had more leverage than he did.

Mike Wilner
@Wilnerness
#Bluejays have informed us that Anthony Bass will be addressing the media at 3:30 this afternoon.

new Leafs GM?

Going to post a Marner trade per blog until one sticks!
Here's one for the sentimental types:

To Calgary: Marner, Robertson, #28 pick

To Toronto: Kadri, Wolf, Dube, #16 pick
or
Kadri, Hannafin, #16, and a 2nd, and we throw in Timmins.

?
?
- oldstyle

Timmins is too good to be a throw-in.

they'll go Dubas 2.0 and hire Chayka

Sorry, dubas hasnt earned the right to be the highest paid gm in the league..or even one of them. From all accounts, the contract was done, he had agreed to money.
Dubas seemed to waffle, which is a red flag in business...almost like negotiating in bad faith.
Dubas incorrectly thought he had more leverage than he did.
- Fakepartofme

It's the Leafs. Money should mean nothing when you have two times as much as everyone. Who cares what Dubas makes. It doesn't effect the CAP. If they feel he's the best guy for the job, which they clearly did, they were offering him a 5 year deal, then just pay him.

Bolded- From Shanahan's account, yeah. But that's only one account.

Not at the detriment of the organization.

The counterargument to that seems to be that this isn't a detrimental time, people of that mindset are missing the bus in a big way:

The coveted Mirtle who gets referenced here on the regular:

"It was nothing like the current moment for the Leafs, when a series of franchise-altering decisions need to be made (or not) and need to be made in almost no time, all by someone coming in (almost certainly) from outside the organization."

"The next Leafs GM is going to presumably arrive in early June and in a matter of weeks will need to address a number of priorities which include:

-Making a decision on the head coach, which means keeping Sheldon Keefe or hiring a replacement

-Convincing Matthews to sign an extension

-Determining whether a star trade involving one of William Nylander or Mitch Marner makes any sense

-Trading one of those stars and doing it before July 1 when they gain control over the process

- Extending Nylander as soon as July 1, or not

-Filling numerous holes in the roster, either through free agency or trade, including a No. 2 centre and top-four defenceman

-Finding a way out from the Matt Murray contract

-Signing Ilya Samsonov

-Leading the Leafs at the draft with an unfamiliar staff

-Addressing the captaincy, or not"

The idea that this is incredibly poor timing is not a secret, anywhere.

Shanahan making the decision to fire the GM without any potential replacement at play in a time all these decisions need to be made and there's an incredibly short runway to do so, is in fact a decision made on a whim at the detriment of the organization.

Fact: the best GM on the open market who may be available to hire right now is the individual Shanahan fired.
- joel878

A lot of the above could already have set plans in place, sure the new gm will have final say but its not like zero work would have been done.
I havent seen a full list of all possible candidates, just some click bait names. So to say dubas (whos team has won one round in 5 years) is the best available, might be short sighted imo....and definitely not a "fact".
We'll see who gets hired.

Do you have a Dubas sex doll?
- Marwood

How are you still around?

new Leafs GM?
- senstroll

They gonna make him apologise on TV?

People are still gonna want him traded.