I call it a boss move… they traded a terrific F in Tuch and Krebs along with another asset to go for it.. Stone - Petro - Patches - Martinez - Flower - … say whatever you want about them and the cap… there’s never any question if they’re all in.

As a fan that’s all you can ask for.
- dozerD10

They've been close pretty much since inception.

Went to that Jays Outfield District. Awesome. Ate a couple of three loonie dogs. There's a cheaper beer station, buddy hipped me to that. For 20 bucks you can't beat it.
- Zezel

All I wanna know is did you ride your bike?

You mean Keith Takachuk that called them out
- Aaron_85

If Marner's dad could call out the Leafs and they turned it around you'd have quite the player.

He played in 10 playoff games 1 year with a save % of 0.925.Maybe they never tracked Tim Thomas.
- golfingsince

The advanced stat required for the analytical breakdown of GSAx is shots by type which they did not begin tracking until 2007.

If you look at the best playoff performances of all time:

Jonathan Quick in 2011-12 had a 0.946 svp and a 1.41 GAA
Jean-Sebastien Giguere in 2002-03 had a 0.945 svp and a 1.62 GAA
Mike Smith in 2011-12 had a 0.944 svp and a 1.99 GAA
Olie Kolzig in 1997-98 had a 0.941 svp and a 1.95 GAA
Tim Thomas in 2010-11 had a 0.94 svp and a 1.98 GAA
Tuukka Rask in 2012-13 had a 0.94 svp and a 1.88 GAA
Dominik Hasek in 1998-99 had a 0.939 svp and a 1.77 GAA
Dominik Hasek in 1997-98 had a 0.938 svp and a 2.03 GAA
Arturs Irbe in 2001-02 had a 0.938 svp and a 1.67 GAA
Andrei Vasilevskiy in 2020-21 had a 0.937 svp and a 1.9 GAA
Evgeni Nabokov in 2003-04 had a 0.935 svp and a 1.71 GAA
Braden Holtby in 2011-12 had a 0.935 svp and a 1.95 GAA
Sergei Bobrovsky in 2022-23 had a 0.935 svp and a 2.21 GAA

Since they started measuring, Bobrovsky has the best GSAx/game in playoff history@ 1.42 goals saved above expected per game. The next highest was last year's Shesterkin.

Many of those are not measurable - but that first Jonathan Quick one? He had a GSAx of 0.61/game. Mike Smith was 0.86/game. Tim Thomas was 0.34 / game. Rask was 0.37. Vasilevskiy was 0.75 and Holtby was 0.64.

So yeah, what Bob is doing is ridiculously special. if I had to pick a goalie performance out of a hat that may have been better, I would pick that Giguere performance in 02-03 - he was sensational and the Ducks were quite similar to Florida in their playoff - they were the 7th seed and took out #2, then #1, and then swept the Wild on their to the Finals (which they would lose in 7 to Jersey).

They've been close pretty much since inception.
- golfingsince

Well, with the Ducks gifting them Theodore & Panthers gifting Marchessault and Riley Smith… yeah I’d say so -

They've been close pretty much since inception.
- golfingsince

Well, with the Ducks gifting them Theodore & Panthers gifting Marchessault and Riley Smith… yeah I’d say so -

All I wanna know is did you ride your bike?
- dozerD10

Nah, I learned my lesson, drinking and bicycles, they no mix.

Also a bike locked up outside Skydome is gonna get stolen.

The advanced stat required for the analytical breakdown of GSAx is shots by type which they did not begin tracking until 2007.

If you look at the best playoff performances of all time:

Jonathan Quick in 2011-12 had a 0.946 svp and a 1.41 GAA
Jean-Sebastien Giguere in 2002-03 had a 0.945 svp and a 1.62 GAA
Mike Smith in 2011-12 had a 0.944 svp and a 1.99 GAA
Olie Kolzig in 1997-98 had a 0.941 svp and a 1.95 GAA
Tim Thomas in 2010-11 had a 0.94 svp and a 1.98 GAA
Tuukka Rask in 2012-13 had a 0.94 svp and a 1.88 GAA
Dominik Hasek in 1998-99 had a 0.939 svp and a 1.77 GAA
Dominik Hasek in 1997-98 had a 0.938 svp and a 2.03 GAA
Arturs Irbe in 2001-02 had a 0.938 svp and a 1.67 GAA
Andrei Vasilevskiy in 2020-21 had a 0.937 svp and a 1.9 GAA
Evgeni Nabokov in 2003-04 had a 0.935 svp and a 1.71 GAA
Braden Holtby in 2011-12 had a 0.935 svp and a 1.95 GAA
Sergei Bobrovsky in 2022-23 had a 0.935 svp and a 2.21 GAA

Since they started measuring, Bobrovsky has the best GSAx/game in playoff history@ 1.42 goals saved above expected per game. The next highest was last year's Shesterkin.

Many of those are not measurable - but that first Jonathan Quick one? He had a GSAx of 0.61/game. Mike Smith was 0.86/game. Tim Thomas was 0.34 / game. Rask was 0.37. Vasilevskiy was 0.75 and Holtby was 0.64.

So yeah, what Bob is doing is ridiculously special. if I had to pick a goalie performance out of a hat that may have been better, I would pick that Giguere performance in 02-03 - he was sensational and the Ducks were quite similar to Florida in their playoff - they were the 7th seed and took out #2, then #1, and then swept the Wild on their to the Finals (which they would lose in 7 to Jersey).
- Monkeypunk

Why isn't Shestterkin on that list? If some aren't measurable why do they qualify for the results?

Bob's been great. Anointing him the best playoff goalie ever is a bit much. I saw Roy, Hasek, even Brodeur and Thomas.

you got the man you wanted, congrats!

you got the man you wanted, congrats!
- golfingsince

Hear he is best friend's with Petterson's agent and a trade demand is coming any day now. Probably for our 1st

The advanced stat required for the analytical breakdown of GSAx is shots by type which they did not begin tracking until 2007.

If you look at the best playoff performances of all time:

Jonathan Quick in 2011-12 had a 0.946 svp and a 1.41 GAA
Jean-Sebastien Giguere in 2002-03 had a 0.945 svp and a 1.62 GAA
Mike Smith in 2011-12 had a 0.944 svp and a 1.99 GAA
Olie Kolzig in 1997-98 had a 0.941 svp and a 1.95 GAA
Tim Thomas in 2010-11 had a 0.94 svp and a 1.98 GAA
Tuukka Rask in 2012-13 had a 0.94 svp and a 1.88 GAA
Dominik Hasek in 1998-99 had a 0.939 svp and a 1.77 GAA
Dominik Hasek in 1997-98 had a 0.938 svp and a 2.03 GAA
Arturs Irbe in 2001-02 had a 0.938 svp and a 1.67 GAA
Andrei Vasilevskiy in 2020-21 had a 0.937 svp and a 1.9 GAA
Evgeni Nabokov in 2003-04 had a 0.935 svp and a 1.71 GAA
Braden Holtby in 2011-12 had a 0.935 svp and a 1.95 GAA
Sergei Bobrovsky in 2022-23 had a 0.935 svp and a 2.21 GAA

Since they started measuring, Bobrovsky has the best GSAx/game in playoff history@ 1.42 goals saved above expected per game. The next highest was last year's Shesterkin.

Many of those are not measurable - but that first Jonathan Quick one? He had a GSAx of 0.61/game. Mike Smith was 0.86/game. Tim Thomas was 0.34 / game. Rask was 0.37. Vasilevskiy was 0.75 and Holtby was 0.64.

So yeah, what Bob is doing is ridiculously special. if I had to pick a goalie performance out of a hat that may have been better, I would pick that Giguere performance in 02-03 - he was sensational and the Ducks were quite similar to Florida in their playoff - they were the 7th seed and took out #2, then #1, and then swept the Wild on their to the Finals (which they would lose in 7 to Jersey).
- Monkeypunk

You are the resident stats guru so riddle me this. Can you find a stat site that shows individual hits taken. I have found it by team but I would love to see which players on the Leafs are willing to take a hit.

Treleving named GM?

Treleving named GM?
- GreatGigInTheSky

Maybe they should have thought about hiring Laine

Maybe they should have thought about hiring Laine
- Canada Cup

It's the thought that counts.

Serious though, I've been reading for the past few hours and just heard the TV in the background say it.

It's the guy that they've speculated for basically the entire time, so I'm glad they just got it over with.

Now focus on other things.

It's the thought that counts.

Serious though, I've been reading for the past few hours and just heard the TV in the background say it.

It's the guy that they've speculated for basically the entire time, so I'm glad they just got it over with.

Now focus of other things.
- GreatGigInTheSky

At least now we can fight over the poop the new GM does instead of the Shanny wars

At least now we can fight over the poop the new GM does instead of the Shanny wars
- Canada Cup

Hopefully Treleving likes Schenn.

And also doesn't like goals seeping through the Holl in the defense.

You’re timing argument isn’t that worrisome if the game plan was in place with Shanahan and the ownership. Means intelligent people already know the direction they want to go and now they just need a GM who fits their view. Shanny is just the guy who has the convos between ownership and the employed.

Long story short, I’m guessing the leafs and Dubas weren’t seeing eye to eye.
- Dozzer

Im not sure that's the case when Shanahan himself says a few days beforehand he intended on having Dubas sign a 5 year contract.

Noting that right now, history is being written by the victor.

Kyle Dubas doesn't have the media's ear and he'd be wise not to use it if he did. All accounts these days are coming from the Leafs and most reporting is going to echo those accounts if they want to continue to have favourable access and so on.

The only thing I would say is that Shanahan called it the framework for a deal based on conversations he had with his agent. If it was a final deal, it wouldn't have been a framework. Framework is still within the realm of negotiation.

As I said in another post, it's moot - but that's why I get irritated. It felt like a bad faith maneuver - but the new guy can set the new direction and tone when they start.
- Monkeypunk

You really think that? That hasn't been my experience. The narrative seems to be changing a little bit but I feel like the talking heads did nothing but rip on Shanny for the first week. And perhaps deservedly. But Dubas seemed more portrayed the victim of a bad decision. Siegel and Mirtle are still getting ripped in their comments section b/c every piece they put out is viewed as pro-dubas.

I don't have a horse in this fight ...I kinda liked them both and blame the players and Keefe for the playoff defeats. But, this idea of the media favouring Shanny over Dubas is b.s. in my view.

Also it's hard to know exactly what happened but Shanny described his meeting on Sunday as a "framework" as you say but he also described it as "a finished deal that reflected what he wanted financially and what he wanted as a GM which is what was important to him,"

The narrative and what gets reported (even by HB posters) is too often bent by bias.

I believe you said you are an executive?

Shannahan executes the board's wishes. I wonder how often everyone's phone vibrated, toned or rang after Dubs's press conference?

You know how it goes, someone was embarrassed , possibly multiple people.
- golfingsince

I work in senior management, yes. Perhaps it's a difference in boards, because our board may have phones ringing at that point but the demand is going to be for a plan to go forward with and that plan perhaps not including that particular manager.

And if the response is we will go without until we identify our new candidate and utilize existing resources in the interim, that will not be considered an acceptable plan.

At no point is "I had a good sleep on it and went from thinking we should move forward with the current individual to we are going to fire him" going to inspire confidence in me in my role.

Im not sure that's the case when Shanahan himself says a few days beforehand he intended on having Dubas sign a 5 year contract.
- joel878

I intended on eating the leftover chicken salad tonight ...then I smelled it ...then my wife mentioned take out ....the chicken salad is on its way to Pittsburgh.

We've got a new guy to hate/love ....lets all get in position to make his life a living hell!

Hopefully Treleving likes Schenn.

And also doesn't like goals seeping through the Holl in the defense.
- GreatGigInTheSky

He was a tough mf as a player ...seemed to build the Flames with a lot of that ...so I'm expecting we'll see some change in that direction.

Schenn and Atari would be easy starts.

Why isn't Shestterkin on that list? If some aren't measurable why do they qualify for the results?

Bob's been great. Anointing him the best playoff goalie ever is a bit much. I saw Roy, Hasek, even Brodeur and Thomas.
- golfingsince

I'm sorry. I should have clarified - the list of goalies I supplied there was by Save Percentage in more than 15 games played in the playoffs - performances which would widely be considered some of the best in history by standard methods. In that case the lowest save percentage on that list is .935 (and I simply selected down to Bob (13th) since he was my focal point). Shesterkin last year had a save percentage of .929 which is tied for 29th in playoff history by the criteria used.

So since GSAx can only be used back to 2007-08, it's not fair as a comparable when considering older performances - like those of Giguere or Hasek.

You are the resident stats guru so riddle me this. Can you find a stat site that shows individual hits taken. I have found it by team but I would love to see which players on the Leafs are willing to take a hit.
- jribout

Naturalstattrick - https://www.naturalstattr...ines=single&draftteam=ALL

Note that Hits Taken isn't always an indicator of who will take a hit to make a play, but also guys who are in areas to be hit and guys who the opposition may feel they can throw off if they hit them more. Or in the playoffs defense, since it's considered strategically advantageous to hammer the defense every chance you get and try to tire them out.

So Frankie Corrado sleeps at the TSN studios, right?

I intended on eating the leftover chicken salad tonight ...then I smelled it ...then my wife mentioned take out ....the chicken salad is on its way to Pittsburgh.

We've got a new guy to hate/love ....lets all get in position to make his life a living hell!
- The Law

😂 Well put.