according to one value chart, the Sabres 2nd round picks are worth 960 points. Same as the 16th-17th pick in the first round.

Wonder if the Sabres do quality over quantity, or just decide to stack the pool.
- TheSabresTaco

The last time an A prospect was traded was for an elite, Stanley Cup winning center.

That prospect? Mr. Krabs.
- TheSabresTaco

So do 1st round picks hold more value than A prospects?

So do 1st round picks hold more value than A prospects?
- washedup20

I doubt it. Teams would just rather trade nameless players instead of ones they love and spent time developing.

Imagine being able to pick Benson at 13 and Simashev at 16. Holy tots.

I doubt it. Teams would just rather trade nameless players instead of ones they love and spent time developing.
- TheSabresTaco

When teams get close, those A prospects get moved,

Chicago - Tuerovinen
Tampa - Drouin/anyone not part of their core
Washington - Forsberg trade - Ellar did help win them a cup
Pittsburgh - all of them
Florida - Tippet
Vegas - moved Sizuki/Brannstrom/Krebs

Plenty of prospects get moved, winning teams aren't afraid to pull the trigger.

Saros and Fabbro - 2023 1st, 2024 lot prot 1st to 25, 1/2 Olofsson, Joker, 2024 3rd
Vejmelka and Crouse - 2023 1st, 2023 2nd, Olofsson, Rousek
Rights to Hill and Kaedan Korczak - Flyers 2023 2nd
Hart and Konecny - 2023 1st, 2024 lot prot 1st to 25, 1/2 Olofsson, UPL, 2024 3rd
- TheSabresTaco

I think Adams sticks with UPL Levi and Comrie

The only “big move” this offseason is trying to get a top 4 defensemen for cheap (cheap as in not selling top prospects)

Our forward group is basically in place already. They proved they can score. Offense was not the problem. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it type mentality.

Imagine being able to pick Benson at 13 and Simashev at 16. Holy tots.
- TheSabresTaco

How are we getting Calgary's pick ?

When teams get close, those A prospects get moved,

Chicago - Tuerovinen
Tampa - Drouin/anyone not part of their core
Washington - Forsberg trade - Ellar did help win them a cup
Pittsburgh - all of them
Florida - Tippet
Vegas - moved Sizuki/Brannstrom/Krebs

Plenty of prospects get moved, winning teams aren't afraid to pull the trigger.
- washedup20

Teams like you mentioned are forced to move top prospects to get that 1 player that can put your team over the top and win a cup

The pens were allllll in for years

Vegas had a cup contending team prior to Eichel. Eichel was that 1 guy to get them over the hump

Sacrificing a top prospect for wining a cup or making a long cup run is worth it.

When teams get close, those A prospects get moved,

Chicago - Tuerovinen
Tampa - Drouin/anyone not part of their core
Washington - Forsberg trade - Ellar did help win them a cup
Pittsburgh - all of them
Florida - Tippet
Vegas - moved Sizuki/Brannstrom/Krebs

Plenty of prospects get moved, winning teams aren't afraid to pull the trigger.
- washedup20

Teravainen wasn't a prospect.
Sergachev was, wouldn't say Drouin was. But that was, at the time, elite young player for top prospect.
Forsberg was traded for Erat in a (frank)ing disaster of a trade, but I'll give that to you.
Did Pittsburgh ever have a real prospect since Jake Guentzel? I can't find one.
Tippet was no longer a prospect and was floundering in Florida.
I'll give you Vegas too, they had the opportunity to not only "win now" but also given a few high picks that they happily traded away for more firepower.

Vegas will crumble someday in the next few years, but it was definitely worth it.

Wonder if they take the Pittsburgh path of just letting everyone melt into the ground or they get ruthless and ship out some pieces while they're worth something to build up their bleak future.

Vegas will crumble someday in the next few years, but it was definitely worth it.

Wonder if they take the Pittsburgh path of just letting everyone melt into the ground or they get ruthless and ship out some pieces while they're worth something to build up their bleak future.
- TheSabresTaco

Yes

When teams get close, those A prospects get moved,

Chicago - Tuerovinen
Tampa - Drouin/anyone not part of their core
Washington - Forsberg trade - Ellar did help win them a cup
Pittsburgh - all of them
Florida - Tippet
Vegas - moved Sizuki/Brannstrom/Krebs

Plenty of prospects get moved, winning teams aren't afraid to pull the trigger.
- washedup20

Teurovinan was traded to get rid of player because of a bad contract.

Forsberg was traded like 5-6 years before they won the cup and the guys they got for him weren't even on the team anymore.

Pittsburgh hasnt had an A prospect since they drafted Jordan Staal in 06.

Panthers are now bare and completely injured so good for them for getting to the finals but there future doesn't look great.

Vegas will crumble someday in the next few years, but it was definitely worth it.

Wonder if they take the Pittsburgh path of just letting everyone melt into the ground or they get ruthless and ship out some pieces while they're worth something to build up their bleak future.
- TheSabresTaco

Every good NHL team eventually dies out …..the players that got you the cup get paid and once they get paid they get old.

Kings and blackhawks come to mind 1st when thinking about that.

It’s hard to trade away your Duncan Keith’s while he still has some juice left in his game. The hawks traded him way too late. But again it’s hard. Core players that won you cups. You have to ride it out till they retire

Christ, Hasek for peanuts was an awful trade for Buffalo
- TheSabresTaco

But if Buffalo had won the Cup instead, it would've been a good trade.

No, well yeah. But that's to easy. Give me a few scenarios you might pull out.
- Buff36

Lol.
I knew you would object.

Ok, here's what I'll offer up...
Anybody want to collaborate with me on making the select...I am wide open to do so.
We will have a couple hours to decide on 7/21.

Between then and now, I am happy to discussion our strategy, and create our draft board .... so we can collaborate on a GM at the Draft for a day type of thing.

Anybody interested?

Imagine being able to pick Benson at 13 and Simashev at 16. Holy tots.
- TheSabresTaco

I keep saying there's no way Benson gets to 13, scouts aren't that stupid and we aren't that lucky lol.

Vegas will crumble someday in the next few years, but it was definitely worth it.

Wonder if they take the Pittsburgh path of just letting everyone melt into the ground or they get ruthless and ship out some pieces while they're worth something to build up their bleak future.
- TheSabresTaco

Given their treatment of MAF and Dadanov, I'd bet the latter.

Teravainen wasn't a prospect.
Sergachev was, wouldn't say Drouin was. But that was, at the time, elite young player for top prospect.
Forsberg was traded for Erat in a (frank)ing disaster of a trade, but I'll give that to you.
Did Pittsburgh ever have a real prospect since Jake Guentzel? I can't find one.
Tippet was no longer a prospect and was floundering in Florida.
I'll give you Vegas too, they had the opportunity to not only "win now" but also given a few high picks that they happily traded away for more firepower.
- TheSabresTaco

Appreciate the corrections, the point is that prospect/1st round draft pick/young roster player with upside are all in play when a team is on the cusp.

The Sabres are on the cusp of just trying to make the playoffs so a big move with their high prospects as the price seems unlikely.

Vegas will crumble someday in the next few years, but it was definitely worth it.

Wonder if they take the Pittsburgh path of just letting everyone melt into the ground or they get ruthless and ship out some pieces while they're worth something to build up their bleak future.
- TheSabresTaco

Lol.
I knew you would object.

Ok, here's what I'll offer up...
Anybody want to collaborate with me on making the select...I am wide open to do so.
We will have a couple hours to decide on 7/21.

Between then and now, I am happy to discussion our strategy, and create our draft board .... so we can collaborate on a GM at the Draft for a day type of thing.

Anybody interested?
- IonSabres

Unfortunately I have already traded the pick to Philadelphia in a blockbuster trade involving both Travis Konecny and Carter Hart

Lol.
I knew you would object.

Ok, here's what I'll offer up...
Anybody want to collaborate with me on making the select...I am wide open to do so.
We will have a couple hours to decide on 7/21.

Between then and now, I am happy to discussion our strategy, and create our draft board .... so we can collaborate on a GM at the Draft for a day type of thing.

Anybody interested?
- IonSabres

Balding posters to the front please, this draft is critical, need the best and brightest.

How are we getting Calgary's pick ?
- Buff36

Oh just based on pick value for the two 2nds.

Given their treatment of MAF and Dadanov, I'd bet the latter.
- RhinoFan

No income tax
Elite entertainment
Owner willing to do whats necessary to win

don't be surprised to see players wanting to go there.

A real question to Sabres fans, have the Knights organization been worse to their players in the 6 years of their existence vs the Sabres organization in just the last 10 years?

I keep saying there's no way Benson gets to 13, scouts aren't that stupid and we aren't that lucky lol.
- RhinoFan

Savoie dropped to us last year. Debrincat fell out of the first round. Small guys always fall a bit.

Appreciate the corrections, the point is that prospect/1st round draft pick/young roster player with upside are all in play when a team is on the cusp.

The Sabres are on the cusp of just trying to make the playoffs so a big move with their high prospects as the price seems unlikely.
- washedup20

Absolutely.

Sabres have the hardest positions to acquire on their roster. A 1C and a 1D. Everything else very, very rarely costs an A prospect.