Aaaaannnnndddd you win...

- dozerD10

He was not fired. He advised them that he was leaving.

And what is a bargain price? Nobody said that at all.
- The Law

No offence but leaf fans are ridiculously biased when it comes to their stars

I don’t care how good he is, you don’t sell off your primary C and D man for a winger from the team your former GM is at.

That’s like sending Matthews and Rielly to Pittsburgh for Malkin if he switched to the wing. Leaf fans would lose it.

He's awesome but I would not say he is nasty. He is physical but not Tkachuk like
- Symba007

You’re right about that… unlike chucky … Fantilli will drop his gloves and go…he’s a throwback center - tough, skilled mofo -

They aren’t cemented on like chucksters..

Slaf will make you all eat your words one day.


He's going to be great.
- Scabeh

I'll be honest, I don't see it.

But players drafted that high don't just fail epically all that often. Unless drafted by Edmonton or Vagcouver. So it's likely I'll be proven wrong.

And he might become a 2nd liner.

No offence but leaf fans are ridiculously biased when it comes to their stars

I don’t care how good he is, you don’t sell off your primary C and D man for a winger from the team your former GM is at.

That’s like sending Matthews and Rielly to Pittsburgh for Malkin if he switched to the wing. Leaf fans would lose it.
- Dozzer

Everybody breath ....

I'm playing the roll of rational middleman in this script. I said MM is great ..because he is. I also said Lindholm and Andersson are great b/c they are. I also said that no trade would happen but that purely for the sake of value ...its probably close.

I'm taking punches from Santa b/c I undervalue Marner.
I'm taking punches from Dozzer b/c I overvalue Marner.

You two cloons go punch each other ...I'll get out of the way. Fack ....

No offence but leaf fans are ridiculously biased when it comes to their stars

I don’t care how good he is, you don’t sell off your primary C and D man for a winger from the team your former GM is at.

That’s like sending Matthews and Rielly to Pittsburgh for Malkin if he switched to the wing. Leaf fans would lose it.
- Dozzer

Be more like the Leafs trading O'Rielly and Liljegren for Pasternak. Going off of skill levels.

Everybody breath ....

I'm playing the roll of rational middleman in this script. I said MM is great ..because he is. I also said Lindholm and Andersson are great b/c they are. I also said that no trade would happen but that purely for the sake of value ...its probably close.

I'm taking punches from Santa b/c I undervalue Marner.
I'm taking punches from Dozzer b/c I overvalue Marner.

You two cloons go punch each other ...I'll get out of the way. Fack ....
- The Law

Marner is talented but it became pretty clear that shutting him down isn’t all that hard either.

Just play physical with him. Florida more than proved that. My guess other teams will be doing that more moving forward.

He’s just a super talented non-physical winger and no, that’s not worth a top 6 C and top pairing D man. If I was Calgary’s GM I’d literally laugh and hang up the phone because he’d have a handful of better offers for those two.

As a fan it is a no brainer to pick Michkov because we are just fans, these GMs choices is what puts food on the table on their yachts.

It is what it is, I think scouting staff is good enough these days to know who not to pick.

I think a team will get very lucky at like 12-20 that picks him. Less pressure for a GM to take a guarantee.
- Santo_44

You think Michkov is going to slide to 12-20?!

The lowest I could see him going is 5th and that's if everyone decides that Carlsson and Smith as centres are better options. Michkov is still very small but, God . . . he led his KHL team in scoring during his time there and that was playing against men.

Be more like the Leafs trading O'Rielly and Liljegren for Pasternak. Going off of skill levels.
- GreatGigInTheSky

O’Reilly isn’t theirs and this is based on your judgement of skill, not Conroy’s.

This conversation has significantly deteriorated ....

Rasmus Andersson is a #1 RD who played just over 24 minutes a game last year. He also has a cap hit of $4.55mil for 3 years.

O’Reilly isn’t theirs and this is based on your judgement of skill, not Conroy’s.
- Dozzer

O'Rielly not being under contract isn't relevant. It's the comparison I was stating.

Which is a lot more accurate than trading a top 3 player in the world and a #1 D-man for a soon to retire Malkin.

You think Michkov is going to slide to 12-20?!

The lowest I could see him going is 5th and that's if everyone decides that Carlsson and Smith as centres are better options. Michkov is still very small but, God . . . he led his KHL team in scoring during his time there and that was playing against men.
- Monkeypunk

SJ takes him @ 4 - their time frame is perfect for him to come over then- lots of bad money gone and kids ramping up - he’ll fit right in.

I'll be honest, I don't see it.

But players drafted that high don't just fail epically all that often. Unless drafted by Edmonton or Vagcouver. So it's likely I'll be proven wrong.

And he might become a 2nd liner.
- GreatGigInTheSky

He's not gonna be in that top tier of first overall in the past 20 years. Hell he's most likely to be in that bottom tier. (which would most likely make him a very good player nonetheless)

But when I hear people call him a bust after 30 NHL games at 18, playing on a smaller ice for the first time.... it's not serious.

SJ takes him @ 4 - their time frame is perfect for him to come over then- lots of bad money gone and kids ramping up - he’ll fit right in.
- dozerD10

That's the best case scenario for the Habs.

They can just grab Will Smith and be happy.

You think Michkov is going to slide to 12-20?!

The lowest I could see him going is 5th and that's if everyone decides that Carlsson and Smith as centres are better options. Michkov is still very small but, God . . . he led his KHL team in scoring during his time there and that was playing against men.
- Monkeypunk

I'd take Michkov at #5 but I think there's a chance he slides all the way to Washington at #8 if both the Sharks and Habs pass on him.

He won't go further than that imo.

O'Rielly not being under contract isn't relevant. It's the comparison I was stating.

Which is a lot more accurate than trading a top 3 player in the world and a #1 D-man for a soon to retire Malkin.
- GreatGigInTheSky

My point is teams are not going to pay big prices for an overpaid weak ass winger with nothing more than talent.

If Marner doesn’t have C’s like Matthews and JT and gets to play on a PP with 5 top 10 picks he isn’t going to produce like he does. Anyone who believes otherwise is flat out in denial.

This conversation has significantly deteriorated ....
- The Law

Sorry, I refuse to applaud fantasies.

No offence but leaf fans are ridiculously biased when it comes to their stars

I don’t care how good he is, you don’t sell off your primary C and D man for a winger from the team your former GM is at.

That’s like sending Matthews and Rielly to Pittsburgh for Malkin if he switched to the wing. Leaf fans would lose it.
- Dozzer

You did not just compare Matthews to Lindholm

This conversation has significantly deteriorated ....
- The Law

At least we can agree here

Sorry, I refuse to applaud fantasies.
- Dozzer

No more porn for you.

You think Michkov is going to slide to 12-20?!

The lowest I could see him going is 5th and that's if everyone decides that Carlsson and Smith as centres are better options. Michkov is still very small but, God . . . he led his KHL team in scoring during his time there and that was playing against men.
- Monkeypunk

Thats what the rumour is from connected people saying that they aren't planning to pick him.

Forsberg dropped from 5 all the way down.

Could see top 10 teams having their guys not named Michkov.

You think Michkov is going to slide to 12-20?!

The lowest I could see him going is 5th and that's if everyone decides that Carlsson and Smith as centres are better options. Michkov is still very small but, God . . . he led his KHL team in scoring during his time there and that was playing against men.
- Monkeypunk

I know it's not as easy as taking the best guy when there's other, outside factors going into him, but I'd hate to be the GM that passes on Michkov.

He's not gonna be in that top tier of first overall in the past 20 years. Hell he's most likely to be in that bottom tier. (which would most likely make him a very good player nonetheless)

But when I hear people call him a bust after 30 NHL games at 18, playing on a smaller ice for the first time.... it's not serious.
- Scabeh

I've been calling him a bust before he was drafted, to be fair.

But I didn't and don't mean it. I think it's likely he'll be a solid player going forward. Unless he gets extremely unlucky with injuries.

Marner is talented but it became pretty clear that shutting him down isn’t all that hard either.

Just play physical with him. Florida more than proved that. My guess other teams will be doing that more moving forward.

He’s just a super talented non-physical winger and no, that’s not worth a top 6 C and top pairing D man. If I was Calgary’s GM I’d literally laugh and hang up the phone because he’d have a handful of better offers for those two.
- Dozzer

This argument is so preposterous. So Marner had 3 points in 5 games against Florida. Nylander had 3, Matthews and O'Reilly had 2, Tavares had 1.

The Leafs were the better team in 4 of the 5 games - the only they weren't was the one we all obviously saw - game 3. Bobrovsky stole the show. He stole the show against Boston and Carolina, too.

You know what those teams and their fanbases aren't doing? Talking about poopty all their players are and how they need to trade them all.

Claiming that it was Marner that was shut down easily is pretty laughable. The whole team couldn't score - and that was despite some wonderful setups from guys like Marner.

Would Calgary trade their #1 Centre and top defenseman for him? Of course not! The holes in their lineup would be massive. But you are completely undervaluing one of the top right wingers in the world.