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deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

Jun 14 @ 9:34 PM ET
It's just an example of "it's okay when we do it"
- mr.peanut


they keep sticking on the point that Price is not playing
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Jun 14 @ 9:35 PM ET
they keep sticking on the point that Price is not playing
- deadpoulet



mr.peanut
Location: The Fan of Hockey. Welcome Utah!, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Jun 14 @ 9:40 PM ET
they keep sticking on the point that Price is not playing
- deadpoulet

It's not right when Tampa and Vegas do it because the players aren't injured that bad and they can get more players. Montreal uses the money on a guy who won't come and won't retire so they can add players, but righteous in this instance.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Jun 14 @ 9:41 PM ET
It's not right when Tampa and Vegas do it because the players aren't injured that bad and they can get more players. Montreal uses the money on a guy who won't come and won't retire so they can add players, but righteous in this instance.
- mr.peanut




oh good lawd

braidan
Referee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: State of Corruption.
Joined: 09.27.2006

Jun 14 @ 9:46 PM ET
I regret back reading.....

Yes LTIR and buyouts are a form of cap circumvention, however, no cap during POs changes things. Coming off LTIR should have same effects the whole year, because now you're double dipping, using cap circumvention to get new players due to LTIR AND using lack of cap in PO to AGAIN circumvent cap by adding salary.


I'm going to regret commenting
stinger67
Montreal Canadiens
Location: QC
Joined: 07.03.2008

Jun 14 @ 9:49 PM ET
mister peanut amenait le point que Price devrait soit prendre sa retraite ou jouer

s'il ne prend pas sa retraite, pourquoi devrait il continuer a toucher son salaire sans jouer et le CH sans le compter par rapport au plafond?

- deadpoulet


Parce que son contrat est garanti. Tant qu'il ne prononcera pas les mots "je me retire de la LNH", il pourra toucher son salaire.

Patrick Roy a laissé 6 millions sur la table quand il a annoncé sa retraite, il était encore sous contrat. C'était sa décision.

Price a beau jeu de toucher cet argent, parce que la convention collective le permet.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Jun 14 @ 9:50 PM ET
I regret back reading.....

Yes LTIR and buyouts are a form of cap circumvention, however, no cap during POs changes things. Coming off LTIR should have same effects the whole year, because now you're double dipping, using cap circumvention to get new players due to LTIR AND using lack of cap in PO to AGAIN circumvent cap by adding salary.


I'm going to regret commenting

- braidan








the next step is to use drawings.
stinger67
Montreal Canadiens
Location: QC
Joined: 07.03.2008

Jun 14 @ 9:51 PM ET
I regret back reading.....

Yes LTIR and buyouts are a form of cap circumvention, however, no cap during POs changes things. Coming off LTIR should have same effects the whole year, because now you're double dipping, using cap circumvention to get new players due to LTIR AND using lack of cap in PO to AGAIN circumvent cap by adding salary.


I'm going to regret commenting

- braidan


Honestly, if the player isn't returning ever (like Price), I don't understand what it changes. Certainly don't see it as an advantage for Montreal who are now without a number 1 goaltender.
stinger67
Montreal Canadiens
Location: QC
Joined: 07.03.2008

Jun 14 @ 9:52 PM ET





the next step is to use drawings.

- Pat1993


Well, we all know Mr. Goldenknuts is trolling
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Jun 14 @ 9:53 PM ET
Honestly, if the player isn't returning ever (like Price), I don't understand what it changes. Certainly don't see it as an advantage for Montreal who are now without a number 1 goalie.
- stinger67


I do find the "oh I'm not officially retired" thing a bit odd but in the end who cares, it's not our money, and other teams shouldn't care either.
braidan
Referee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: State of Corruption.
Joined: 09.27.2006

Jun 14 @ 9:53 PM ET
Honestly, if the player isn't returning ever (like Price), I don't understand what it changes. Certainly don't see it as an advantage for Montreal who are now without a number 1 goalie.
- stinger67

He just likes the attention from stirring the pot. Im sure he is having a good laugh at our expense arguing with him.

Speaking of pot....... later
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Jun 14 @ 9:53 PM ET
Well, we all know Mr. Goldenknuts is trolling
- stinger67


he most certainly isn't helping
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Jun 14 @ 9:53 PM ET
He just likes the attention from stirring the pot. Im sure he is having a good laugh at our expense arguing with him.

Speaking of pot....... later

- braidan




stinger67
Montreal Canadiens
Location: QC
Joined: 07.03.2008

Jun 14 @ 9:55 PM ET
I do find the "oh I'm not officially retired" thing a bit odd but in the end who cares, it's not our money, and other teams shouldn't care either.
- Pat1993


Especially since everybody knows he's not returning.


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Check ben ça si on le retrouve pas sur la glace en tracksuit avec le remplaçant de Graham Rynbend quelque part en décembre
mr.peanut
Location: The Fan of Hockey. Welcome Utah!, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Jun 14 @ 9:55 PM ET
Honestly, if the player isn't returning ever (like Price), I don't understand what it changes. Certainly don't see it as an advantage for Montreal who are now without a number 1 goaltender.
- stinger67

They have 10.5 Million to spend now. They could use that money. Not using it, or failing while doing it doesn't make it any better
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Jun 14 @ 9:57 PM ET
Especially since everybody knows he's not returning.


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Check ben ça si on le retrouve pas sur la glace en tracksuit avec le remplaçant de Graham Rynbend quelque part en décembre

- stinger67



tabarnak...





but yeah they should just have some sort of official retirement clause, to allow this sort of thing instead of hiding it while the player's situation is common knowledge.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Jun 14 @ 9:58 PM ET
They have 10.5 Million to spend now. They could use that money. Not using it, or failing while doing it doesn't make it any better
- mr.peanut


your comparison doesn't make sense and you know it, please stop.
mr.peanut
Location: The Fan of Hockey. Welcome Utah!, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Jun 14 @ 9:59 PM ET
your comparison doesn't make sense and you know it, please stop.
- Pat1993

No it does. In fact, Montreal is worse because it's public knowledge
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Jun 14 @ 9:59 PM ET
where's kick when you need him
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Jun 14 @ 10:13 PM ET
where's kick when you need him
- Pat1993

Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Jun 14 @ 10:13 PM ET
kick-signal
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Jun 14 @ 10:14 PM ET

- kicksave856


damn it, just posted the signal
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Jun 14 @ 10:14 PM ET
kick-signal
- Pat1993

Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jun 14 @ 10:19 PM ET
Well, we all know Mr. Goldenknuts is trolling
- stinger67


Of course he is.


TheInformer697041
Joined: 07.27.2021

Jun 14 @ 10:55 PM ET
tabarnak...





but yeah they should just have some sort of official retirement clause, to allow this sort of thing instead of hiding it while the player's situation is common knowledge.

- Pat1993


What would work is an hybrid between a buyback and a retirement…

When a player is over 1 full season on the LTR and wants to retire before the end of his contract, the team can spread the remaining of the contract maximum over next 10 years and the team keeps the right on the player as long as they are paying the player...

So the team can modulate the payout as per its cap space… So let’s say the team has 15 million in cap space, it can decide to apply that 15 million on the contract payout… Once 100% of the contract is paid, the team is off the hook…. 1/10th of the remaining contract value is the minimum to be paid… with a minimum to make sure the team would not spread 2 millions over 10 years…

And those contracts can’t be traded…
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