They should still take calls on #11 as part of a package that includes a quality D or 3C coming back.
- VanHockeyGuy

Only if it’s for a young sub 24 year old dman and or center. With the depth and quality of this draft the #11 pick is normally a top five quality kid. You need good young players on ELC as part of your cap plan. You need this to build towards a future. These are intelligent experienced people, I don’t believe for a minute they don’t understand that.

What about sending demko for Brandt Clark then signing a goalie

Only if it’s for a young sub 24 year old dman and or center. With the depth and quality of this draft the #11 pick is normally a top five quality kid. You need good young players on ELC as part of your cap plan. You need this to build towards a future. These are intelligent experienced people, I don’t believe for a minute they don’t understand that.
- LeftCoaster

The ones that signed Boeser to that untradeable deal?

Only if it’s for a young sub 24 year old dman and or center. With the depth and quality of this draft the #11 pick is normally a top five quality kid. You need good young players on ELC as part of your cap plan. You need this to build towards a future. These are intelligent experienced people, I don’t believe for a minute they don’t understand that.
- LeftCoaster

That’s their target an RFA that a team can’t afford to sign or wants out. Canucks now have the room to pay them and can send that 11OA draft pick. I’d rather that than a trade down. Keeping the pick is good with me if they can package something else back.

Outrageous Contract, Trade and buyout aside, What was OEL's major flaw?

Can he still PLAY hockey?

Does he provide value to a team as a 3rd pairing guy making 1.5-2 Million?

The ones that signed Boeser to that untradeable deal?
- VanHockeyGuy

Yes - you know, from a fans perspective everyone want a management group that bats 1000, it’s just not realistic. There’s no management group in any sport that’s perfect. There’s also no such thing as an imperfect manager, even Jim Benning got a few things right.

Two things I have issue with thus far with Allvin, the timing of the Miller contract and the amount of the Boeser contract. They backed themselves into a corner cap wise for 2023/24. That said, they still needed to buyout OEL, JPat put out an article on the hockey writers that showed how terribly bad the Canucks were with OEL on the ice, they were picking the puck out of their net a lot compared to when Hughes was on the ice. Whom he referenced in the piece.

Yzerman drafted Brett Connolly 6th overall, even the best make mistakes. Tampa also signed Lecavalier to an 11 year 85 million dollar contract and bought him out four years later…it happens.

Yes - you know, from a fans perspective everyone want a management group that bats 100%, it’s just not realistic. There’s no management group in any sport that’s perfect. There’s also no such thing as an imperfect manager, even Jim Benning got a few things right.

Two things I have issue with thus far with Allvin, the timing of the Miller contract and the amount of the Boeser contract. They backed themselves into a corner cap wise for 2023/24. That said, they still needed to buyout OEL, JPat put out an article on the hockey writers that showed how terribly bad the Canucks were with OEL on the ice, they were picking the puck out of their net a lot compared to when Hughes was on the ice. Whom he referenced in the piece.

Yzerman drafted Brett Connolly 6th overall, even the best make mistakes. Tampa also signed Lecavalier to an 11 year 85 million dollar contract and bought him out four years later…it happens.
- LeftCoaster

Allvin isn't as stupid as Benning was. That said this management team needs some luck and smart trades to pull themselves out of the hole their in. That includes listening to offers on anyone and any picks providing they get exactly what the want back.

Outrageous Contract, Trade and buyout aside, What was OEL's major flaw?

Can he still PLAY hockey?

Does he provide value to a team as a 3rd pairing guy making 1.5-2 Million?
- RoloTahmasee

He'll probably play in Sweden, it's easier there.

Yup, a good training camp should make a big difference.
- Marwood

Bruce says structure is overblown. He won president's trophies and other stuff with the same style he had in Van.

Allvin isn't as stupid as Benning was. That said this management team needs some luck and smart trades to pull themselves out of the hole their in. That includes listening to offers on anyone and any picks providing they get exactly what the want back.
- VanHockeyGuy

Agree, now they have some cap flexibility which strengthens their position. On the OEL thing, he was so bad and was owed 18.5 million, out of the total 30 million remaining on his contract, which was due in the next two years. The timing of this buyout was great, it needed to happen now.

Bruce says structure is overblown. He won president's trophies and other stuff with the same style he had in Van.
- manvanfan

That completely depends on the roster, it’s not as black and white as he would have people believe.

The ones that signed Boeser to that untradeable deal?
- VanHockeyGuy

No one likes the deal because they expected more from BB. We know the excuses.

Though to be fair the previous contract had a higher qualifying offer so they made the best of a bad contract situation. A trade with the flat cap probably was not yielding anything.

BB can still make up for it now that he’s got his circumstances under control. Either be reliable for team or up his trade value with good play.

Bruce says structure is overblown. He won president's trophies and other stuff with the same style he had in Van.
- manvanfan

Only if it’s for a young sub 24 year old dman and or center. With the depth and quality of this draft the #11 pick is normally a top five quality kid. You need good young players on ELC as part of your cap plan. You need this to build towards a future. These are intelligent experienced people, I don’t believe for a minute they don’t understand that.
- LeftCoaster

Evident by that panic extension with the problem child.

LH says hello to all you Neo-Left champs!
- VanHockeyGuy

Why do you always become the spokesperson for the banned?

How long is LH gone for?

Outrageous Contract, Trade and buyout aside, What was OEL's major flaw?

Can he still PLAY hockey?

Does he provide value to a team as a 3rd pairing guy making 1.5-2 Million?
- RoloTahmasee

Being shitty at hockey.

No.

No.

Being shitty at hockey.

No.

No.
- Marwood

Exactly. He’s getting older, injuries have taken their toll, and he was never an aggressive or intense type of player. Aging, injury prone, and soft. That’s a lethal combination.

If you're going to deal with a buyout this big, and for so long, why not just tear it down and start over again? If Vegas can win a Cup in 6 years and Seattle can make it to the playoffs in two, why not just get rid of everyone over 26 year of age recoup draft picks and prospects? Stink for a couple of years and reach the playoffs with players on entry level contracts and bridge deals? I'm sure you could use your current veterans to get you decent younger players that'll be your core in a few years? You're not going anywhere, with your current core.

Walking home from dropping my kid off at UBC aquatic centre and came across a coyote. It was walking next to me. Big and healthy. Then a squirrel crossed our path and the coyote just took off and chased down, caught it, and chowed down.

I was shocked how fast a coyote is. I’ve seen hundreds of dogs chase squirrels with absolutely no chance of catching the damn thing. But this coyote… the speed was a bit intimidating.

If you're going to deal with a buyout this big, and for so long, why not just tear it down and start over again? If Vegas can win a Cup in 6 years and Seattle can make it to the playoffs in two, why not just get rid of everyone over 26 year of age recoup draft picks and prospects? Stink for a couple of years and reach the playoffs with players on entry level contracts and bridge deals? I'm sure you could use your current veterans to get you decent younger players that'll be your core in a few years? You're not going anywhere, with your current core.
- PrinceLH

Because ownership is demanding playoffs, and so, regardless of how much that directive will hamper the team from being able to build a consistent winner that's what management is going to try and do.

So now with the buyout I see one of two things that need to follow and it depends on the direction of the Management.

They either believe this forward group is good enough to compete and fix the D. A trade of the 11 th for a top 2 Dman. Pesce is the most common name thrown out and it makes sense. You can always keep your draft picks next year and fix the team this year.

The second option and most unlikely option is they don't see this team competing anytime soon and trade Petey for Carsson and Jiricek. As much as some people would hate that it would relieve any complications about offering a player 10 mil plus locked in long term for a non competing team.

I say they go option one.

Walking home from dropping my kid off at UBC aquatic centre and came across a coyote. It was walking next to me. Big and healthy. Then a squirrel crossed our path and the coyote just took off and chased down, caught it, and chowed down.

I was shocked how fast a coyote is. I’ve seen hundreds of dogs chase squirrels with absolutely no chance of catching the damn thing. But this coyote… the speed was a bit intimidating.
- bloatedmosquito

We get them here in our neighbourhood. They've all but eliminated all of the outdoor cats. We also have few and far between rabbits. Even the squirrel and the racoon population has thinned. My biggest concern is rabies and or attacking a small child. They've culled them in the past, but not for about 10 years. It's almost time to do so again.

If you're going to deal with a buyout this big, and for so long, why not just tear it down and start over again? If Vegas can win a Cup in 6 years and Seattle can make it to the playoffs in two, why not just get rid of everyone over 26 year of age recoup draft picks and prospects? Stink for a couple of years and reach the playoffs with players on entry level contracts and bridge deals? I'm sure you could use your current veterans to get you decent younger players that'll be your core in a few years? You're not going anywhere, with your current core.
- PrinceLH

It could be on the table.

What's really sad is that this was all preventable, had they not made the decision to keep Miller at 8x8 and especially Boeser at 6.65x4, buying out OEL would not have been needed. Sure, they have 7.1 mil this year to spend on trying to get a 3C and maybe improve the D since Rathbone can slot into the bottom pair on the left side and be fine and OEL was a slug anyways.

The problem is that they are still between a rock and a hard place, Petey needs a new deal and is going to want minimum 10.5 and likely a lot more than that for 8 years. They better make the playoffs or I don't see this management group getting the rope Benning did seeing as they're already on their 2nd coach and their promises are probably sounding hollower and hollower to FA right about now after making him shell out 20 mil to someone who'll never play in Vancouver again for 8 years on top of the money he's shelling out still to Green and BB and Benning while they sit at home doing nothing.
- DariusKnight

You are so full of sh!t it’s outrageous. Just a paragraph of useless slop and lies.

Because ownership is demanding playoffs, and so, regardless of how much that directive will hamper the team from being able to build a consistent winner that's what management is going to try and do.
- DariusKnight

I am not sure if the number is still 1 mil per playoff game in the owners pocket but if the Canucks went two rounds that would be 8 mil in FA pocket.

Trading Petey and avoiding a 10 mil plus contract and signing two ELC is a savings of 8 mil . Of course you would need to replace that spot C but you would lock in to a shorter cheaper contract.