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ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jun 23 @ 9:35 AM ET
I don't get this line of thinking at all. Unlike most teams, we have a list of potential players for next year. We aren't a team like the Bruins or Tampa where we need to fill out a roster with no money. But in what world does that mean that we have to have those players opening night? We aren't locked into anything. I can't fathom how that is a bad thing.

Now is their plan to have 95% of those players on opening night? Sure. Are they locked into them? No way.

- Slump Buster


Yes we arnt like teams that have been to or won the cup {checks notes} 7 of the last 13 years and are now getting towards the end of that road.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jun 23 @ 9:36 AM ET
I must have missed it - they can't trade any of those 22 players?
- Slump Buster

They very much can.

Are they willing to?

Do you think they will?
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 23 @ 9:36 AM ET
Maybe today will be a good day!
- Sabretooth9


If nothing else, I think we now know that Gerbe is now playing with us
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 23 @ 9:37 AM ET
The irony in all of this is that they have done such a good job in the last 2 years setting us up that now people are wondering why they haven't already done all of their summer shopping.

Haven't we learned that this sport is not transactional? Example: the last two offseasons, people here complained that there wouldn't be enough scoring because of what walked out the door. We lost player x, we need to get player y to compensate. It doesn't work that way.

Also, at what point would you have started your transactional approach? Two years ago? Sure, we could have dumped Mitts, Tallness, etc for players that were better than them at that time. Would that have been trying to win then? Sure. Would it have been a good idea. Nope. That's the irony in all of this: they stayed the course and did such a good job growing their assets that now people are now criticizing them for not hitting the gas a week after the offseason has started. Amazing stuff.

- Slump Buster

Dude 0 people think we’re a contender, which is the entire point of the Sabres existing in the first place. Like what are we even talking about here?

They’ve accomplished absolutely nothing so far. Nothing.

Adams walked into a team that consisted of :

Thompson
Reinhart
Eichel
Ullmark
Montour
Skinner
Cozens
Dahlin
Samuelsson
Ristolainen

How many years with this type of foundation and assets should it take to become a contender. I think 4 is the right amount

They should contend this season. Anything other than that and there’s problems
Carubba-Kaleta
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.27.2013

Jun 23 @ 9:38 AM ET
No day will be a good day, until KA brings in a Top 4 D.
- RichardRoma

I've already prepared myslef for the standard message to the fans from KA.

The price was too high to aquire a top 4 dman. We will have internal competition for Owen's d partner.

But I will remain in conversation with the rest of the league otherwise I wouldn't be doing my job.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 23 @ 9:39 AM ET
Cart before the horse? He has grown a team that is now ready to compete. The window is opening. Even if we don't make any moves beyond 4D, this team should make the playoffs this year (side note: owners and gm's making public statements about this stuff is just stuff for fans to eat up). He doesn't *need* to go out and find a top line or any nonsense like that. Its still percolating and growing. There aren't any glaring holes. And as we move into this window he has a ton of options.

And again, what results in the window shutting? Running out of assets. I am a (self-hating) Yankees fan. I could not be more jealous of what I see Baltimore doing this year. They are absolutely loaded and will be fantastic for years to come. The Sabres are in the same boat.

- Slump Buster




Man I hate that I called this

The "big summer" folks already backing off by 6/23
sgk56
Buffalo Sabres
Location: WNY, NY
Joined: 06.16.2019

Jun 23 @ 9:40 AM ET
If nothing else, I think we now know that Gerbe is now playing with us
- Slump Buster

Without talking to anyone in particular, I think guys should lay off Gerbe.
He always brings fresh topics to the board.
Yes, they dont always play out, but who cares!
Better than regurgitating the same ole same ole everyday.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 23 @ 9:41 AM ET
My answer would be extremely simple

Is Toffoli an improvement over Oloffson? Yes
Is Toffoli probably better right now than a rookie Kulich or Rosen? Yes
Does it help us win games? Yes


SO , Yes

- sbroads24


I agree here, my ideal scenario is those types of players on those types of contracts.

Next question is, what's the max you spend to acquire a guy of that talent, term, age
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 23 @ 9:41 AM ET
I must have missed it - they can't trade any of those 22 players?
- Slump Buster

Yes they can, but if you haven't noticed not a lot of teams can take on a Contract or won't because of Cap constraints. So you have lessened your pool to work with.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 23 @ 9:43 AM ET
Dude 0 people think we’re a contender, which is the entire point of the Sabres existing in the first place. Like what are we even talking about here?

They’ve accomplished absolutely nothing so far. Nothing.

Adams walked into a team that consisted of :

Thompson
Reinhart
Eichel
Ullmark
Montour
Skinner
Cozens
Dahlin
Samuelsson
Ristolainen

How many years with this type of foundation and assets should it take to become a contender. I think 4 is the right amount

They should contend this season. Anything other than that and there’s problems

- sbroads24

Good Post
Carubba-Kaleta
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.27.2013

Jun 23 @ 9:44 AM ET
Without talking to anyone in particular, I think guys should lay off Gerbe.
He always brings fresh topics to the board.
Yes, they dont always play out, but who cares!
Better than regurgitating the same ole same ole everyday.

- sgk56

It's the vague drop in comments that get me.

If he's gonna get glory for calling something he should also get criticism when he's wrong.
sgk56
Buffalo Sabres
Location: WNY, NY
Joined: 06.16.2019

Jun 23 @ 9:45 AM ET
It's the vague drop in comments that get me.

If he's gonna get glory for calling something he should also get criticism when he's wrong.

- Carubba-Kaleta

Absolutely
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 23 @ 9:45 AM ET
This move would indicate improvement, it intrigues the try to win now group while inflating the rage of the blocking the youth group.

The player would have to provide serious impact as the last attempt at this was a disaster - by this management when they acquired Taylor Hall.

- washedup20


I do think you need to wonder what Taylor Hall looks like on the 23-24 Sabres instead of Patrick Bateman's 20-21 Sabres.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 23 @ 9:49 AM ET
I've already prepared myslef for the standard message to the fans from KA.

The price was too high to aquire a top 4 dman. We will have internal competition for Owen's d partner.

But I will remain in conversation with the rest of the league otherwise I wouldn't be doing my job.

- Carubba-Kaleta


This won't happen.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 23 @ 9:49 AM ET
Dude 0 people think we’re a contender, which is the entire point of the Sabres existing in the first place. Like what are we even talking about here?

They’ve accomplished absolutely nothing so far. Nothing.

Adams walked into a team that consisted of :

Thompson
Reinhart
Eichel
Ullmark
Montour
Skinner
Cozens
Dahlin
Samuelsson
Ristolainen

How many years with this type of foundation and assets should it take to become a contender. I think 4 is the right amount

They should contend this season. Anything other than that and there’s problems

- sbroads24


On one hand you think that nobody thinks we are a contender (I missed that pole) - who thought that roster was competing for anything then. Dahlin and Thompson were busts. Skinner was on taxi squad. Risto was... Risto. And on and on. It was freaking dark. Man, that is some revisionist history. We all thought it was going to take years to even turn around, let alone start to challenge.
Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Jun 23 @ 9:50 AM ET
If nothing else, I think we now know that Gerbe is now playing with us
- Slump Buster



I honestly don’t think he would do that.

He has missed chicken - man and maybe 1 other thing. But has been spot on about a bunch of other things.

He knows “people” higher than my source
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jun 23 @ 9:51 AM ET
On one hand you think that nobody thinks we are a contender (I missed that pole) - who thought that roster was competing for anything then. Dahlin and Thompson were busts. Skinner was on taxi squad. Risto was... Risto. And on and on. It was freaking dark. Man, that is some revisionist history. We all thought it was going to take years to even turn around, let alone start to challenge.
- Slump Buster


Has it not been “years”
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 23 @ 9:54 AM ET
On one hand you think that nobody thinks we are a contender (I missed that pole) - who thought that roster was competing for anything then. Dahlin and Thompson were busts. Skinner was on taxi squad. Risto was... Risto. And on and on. It was freaking dark. Man, that is some revisionist history. We all thought it was going to take years to even turn around, let alone start to challenge.
- Slump Buster

No. I’ve maintained from day 1 of moving Eichel that this didn’t need to take forever.

The Devils are example A. They’ve picked #1st overall recently.

Adams started this “rebuild” with his top 2 centers, franchise D man, and a good #3 D man already on the roster.

He got an excellent current roster player in Tuch for Eichel. He got what hopefully is our 3C in Krebs

The Sabres needs today ***ARE THE EXACT SAME NEEDS AS LAST SEASON***

Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jun 23 @ 9:56 AM ET
Always, so consistently nasty.
LW Radical Stoge.

- IonSabres



You call me nasty , for saying you lost?

Then you proceed to call me something far worse?

Your consistency empty.....
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 23 @ 9:58 AM ET
Has it not been “years”
- ImThatGuy

The Sabres had the talent to make the playoffs this past year. A lot of that talent was brought in by Botterill. That’s just the facts.

Adams horrendous goaltending acquisition in Comrie and refusal to get a top 4 D last year and at the deadline is why we missed.

But yes. The 2027 cap looks cool.

Who (frank)ing cares
washedup20
Location: the little apple
Joined: 08.19.2014

Jun 23 @ 10:00 AM ET
I do think you need to wonder what Taylor Hall looks like on the 23-24 Sabres instead of Patrick Bateman's 20-21 Sabres.
- TheSabresTaco


Hall would provide speed/offensive touch, he would not help in the physicality department or with leadership - IMO he owuld provide similar value to Olofsson so I would look elsewhere.

If you are going to infuse middle 6 vet players - they need to bring intangibles that the youth on the roster can learn form.

- front net presence
- physicality
- leadership/swagger (kids played tight when the pressure was turned up last season)

The Sabres have a lot of speed/skill/shooters/playmakers - these vets would have to be used in balancing the roster.

Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.18.2012

Jun 23 @ 10:03 AM ET
Bills extend McDemott and Beane until ‘27.
washedup20
Location: the little apple
Joined: 08.19.2014

Jun 23 @ 10:04 AM ET
I honestly don’t think he would do that.

He has missed chicken - man and maybe 1 other thing. But has been spot on about a bunch of other things.

He knows “people” higher than my source

- Sabretooth9


Why is the people in quotes? Are there demons running the Sabres? Does Gerbe speak to the dog?
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 23 @ 10:11 AM ET
No. I’ve maintained from day 1 of moving Eichel that this didn’t need to take forever.

The Devils are example A. They’ve picked #1st overall recently.

Adams started this “rebuild” with his top 2 centers, franchise D man, and a good #3 D man already on the roster.

He got an excellent current roster player in Tuch for Eichel. He got what hopefully is our 3C in Krebs

The Sabres needs today ***ARE THE EXACT SAME NEEDS AS LAST SEASON***

- sbroads24



So now Reinhart was a top 2 center? Seriously? Yes, he did inherit a healthy Eichel, and not long after that he was damaged goods (and he apparently was already a malcontent). So through no fault of his own, the beginning of that season where Eichel was hurt was freaking bleak. Don't you remember about how this board fretted about trying to get a brand new top line?

And the Devils are the perfect comparable for us. They are a year ahead of us. There is a Timo Meier available every year. Did they do it when they turned the corner and started to be respectable 2 years ago? Nope. They did it last year when things really started to cook. That is us this year.

Ottawa is the cautionary tale. They have some fantastic young players, but rather than letting it play out they made some foolish trades (still don't understand how many of you liked the Debrincat trade last year) and now they are stuck in the middle with an empty prospect pool.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 23 @ 10:12 AM ET
Hall would provide speed/offensive touch, he would not help in the physicality department or with leadership - IMO he owuld provide similar value to Olofsson so I would look elsewhere.

If you are going to infuse middle 6 vet players - they need to bring intangibles that the youth on the roster can learn form.

- front net presence
- physicality
- leadership/swagger (kids played tight when the pressure was turned up last season)

The Sabres have a lot of speed/skill/shooters/playmakers - these vets would have to be used in balancing the roster.

- washedup20


Hall is toast and the Bruins would give him away for free.

Youth and speed wins cups. You can sprinkle in the other stuff at any time. Once a core hits late 20's it is pretty much over for that team.
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