Where am I wrong.

Dahlin
Thompson
Cozens

Those are Botterill’s guys. That’s a fact.

Adams has not needed to go out and find a 1C or even a 2C after trading Eichel

That’s an enormous benefit
- sbroads24

These guys weren't 1C's or 2C's till KA's 2nd and 3rd seasons as GM..

The guy had to come in, get rid of the 2 best players and somehow flip this shi!t around so his other young stars wouldnt turn on him quick and end up forcing their way out too. Hes done a great job turning this ship in a complete 180 in what 2 seasons?

Where am I wrong.

Dahlin
Thompson
Cozens

Those are Botterill’s guys. That’s a fact.

Adams has not needed to go out and find a 1C or even a 2C after trading Eichel

That’s an enormous benefit
- sbroads24

I'm willing to give adams a nod for giving Tage a 3 year deal that we all took a dump on.

Bills extend McDemott and Beane until ‘27.
- Lilroot9

I don’t get what’s wrong? McDermott is a good coach.


Who are you replacing him with that you can guarantee would be a clear cut upgrade?

I’m listening.

Contend for what? the Sabres sustainable rebuild allows a winning window form 2025/28
- washedup20

You completely lost me. 25 - 28?

Better yet, if you think that this has been poorly done, which franchises would you trade places with over the next 5 years?

Honest question: What will the window be?
- kingcong39

This is a good question that got skipped over a bit.

2 big factors to me:

-3 years left on a great value deal for Tuch, who is 27. 4 years left on Skinner, who is 31.

-2 ELC years remaining on Quinn, Peterka, and Levi.

They have a phenomenal opportunity this year and next, but don't seem interested in giving this year their best effort. Year 3 might be the peak.

Beyond that are big questions and changes. What do you do with a 30 year old Tuch? Skinner's deal is almost up. Questions on 2/3 of you top line, who is going to step up? What does Levi turn in to? How do you handle the next wave of contracts?

If you think this is a 5+ year window, it's based on assuming a couple of these recent picks become very good 1st line players and Levi is the guy.

I'm willing to give adams a nod for giving Tage a 3 year deal that we all took a dump on.
- TheSabresTaco

Also, while Botterill did draft the other guys, Adams chose to keep them rather than just arbitrarily saying "I am going to bring in my guys" like so many new regimes do. Sure, someone else drafted him. There has to be credit given for 1) keeping the players and 2) growing them into something much more than what the past regimes did. It's still a choice that he made.

This is where so many people want to have it both ways.

"Lets go out and get better players" means that we should NOT have grown our prospects. We should have moved on from these guys and got better players NOW. So many of these guys had no value at all - they rebuilt them into what we have today. The "win now" crowd wanted Tage, Mitts, and others moved when they had no value. That's why it is such a fallacy.
- Slump Buster

This is such a disingenuous argument dude.

The “go win now” mantra was NOT a thing when Tage was considered a bust 3 years ago

This is a good question that got skipped over a bit.

2 big factors to me:

-3 years left on a great value deal for Tuch, who is 27. 4 years left on Skinner, who is 31.

-2 ELC years remaining on Quinn, Peterka, and Levi.

They have a phenomenal opportunity this year and next, but don't seem interested in giving this year their best effort. Year 3 might be the peak.

Beyond that are big questions and changes. What do you do with a 30 year old Tuch? Skinner's deal is almost up. Questions on 2/3 of you top line, who is going to step up? What does Levi turn in to? How do you handle the next wave of contracts?

If you think this is a 5+ year window, it's based on assuming a couple of these recent picks become very good 1st line players and Levi is the guy.
- Lunaion

I think that is the beauty in what they have done (and why it is so shorsighted to laugh at the salary cap). We aren't needing any one player to be The One. If Levi isn't it, you go out and get another one. We aren't Montreal looking for a top line. If someone doesn't work out, we have prospects or trades as options. I remember the days of hoping that a Drew Stafford would put us over the hump. I hated those days.

This is a good question that got skipped over a bit.

2 big factors to me:

-3 years left on a great value deal for Tuch, who is 27. 4 years left on Skinner, who is 31.

-2 ELC years remaining on Quinn, Peterka, and Levi.

They have a phenomenal opportunity this year and next, but don't seem interested in giving this year their best effort. Year 3 might be the peak.

Beyond that are big questions and changes. What do you do with a 30 year old Tuch? Skinner's deal is almost up. Questions on 2/3 of you top line, who is going to step up? What does Levi turn in to? How do you handle the next wave of contracts?

If you think this is a 5+ year window, it's based on assuming a couple of these recent picks become very good 1st line players and Levi is the guy.
- Lunaion

Shouldn't we at least wait until the draft....or until moves are made by non Columbus based teams before we say that?

This is such a disingenuous argument dude.

The “go win now” mantra was NOT a thing when Tage was considered a bust 3 years ago
- sbroads24

Of course it wasn't. Where you want to have it both ways is that not 30 seconds after we have turned these assets into something fantastic (something that is ongoing), people are criticizing him for not having done anything. They've hit all of the right notes so far - doesn't that get them any cred? I am asking that sincerely. You're not wrong - he did have stuff to work with, and I think he made much more of that than even he even dreamed. We have seen a lifetime of bad GMs and coaches - I don't see any signs of that here.

Of course it wasn't. Where you want to have it both ways is that not 30 seconds after we have turned these assets into something fantastic (something that is ongoing), people are criticizing him for not having done anything. They've hit all of the right notes so far - doesn't that get them any cred? I am asking that sincerely. You're not wrong - he did have stuff to work with, and I think he made much more of that than even he even dreamed. We have seen a lifetime of bad GMs and coaches - I don't see any signs of that here.
- Slump Buster

Would you take a bullet for Adams?

I think that is the beauty in what they have done (and why it is so shorsighted to laugh at the salary cap). We aren't needing any one player to be The One. If Levi isn't it, you go out and get another one. We aren't Montreal looking for a top line. If someone doesn't work out, we have prospects or trades as options. I remember the days of hoping that a Drew Stafford would put us over the hump. I hated those days.
- Slump Buster

Big part of what I just wrote is that there's a timer on their top line that shouldn't be ignored.

Shouldn't we at least wait until the draft....or until moves are made by non Columbus based teams before we say that?
- Michael Ghofrani

No, you didn't hear? The season starts tomorrow. Also, in-season moves are prohibited.

May I also remind the board that last summer this board was going bonkers because Adams didn't bring in any scoring. "Who is going to score? We can't have the status quo. Why doesn't he do anything?"

(rinse repeat)

Would you take a bullet for Adams?
- washedup20

Come now, answer the question. Which franchises would you trade places with over the next 5 years.

Of course it wasn't. Where you want to have it both ways is that not 30 seconds after we have turned these assets into something fantastic (something that is ongoing), people are criticizing him for not having done anything. They've hit all of the right notes so far - doesn't that get them any cred? I am asking that sincerely. You're not wrong - he did have stuff to work with, and I think he made much more of that than even he even dreamed. We have seen a lifetime of bad GMs and coaches - I don't see any signs of that here.
- Slump Buster

My issue is they let a prime opportunity slip out of their hands this past season. They underestimated where they were and what their timeline was.

If they were to get a rash of injuries this year, or just some bad luck or the bad goaltending continues, they absolutely could miss.

Guess who’s going to feel mighty desperate then and could end up doing a bunch of stuff the “patience” people hate?

I don’t hate Adams, I don’t want him fired (that would be ridiculous) but if they miss again it’s absolutely a conversation

Of course it wasn't. Where you want to have it both ways is that not 30 seconds after we have turned these assets into something fantastic (something that is ongoing), people are criticizing him for not having done anything. They've hit all of the right notes so far - doesn't that get them any cred? I am asking that sincerely. You're not wrong - he did have stuff to work with, and I think he made much more of that than even he even dreamed. We have seen a lifetime of bad GMs and coaches - I don't see any signs of that here.
- Slump Buster

And where I feel people want to have it both ways -

People want to act like everything has been turned around and everything is good now (I agree some things have been turned around) but they also refuse to put any clear, hard expectations on this FO

No, you didn't hear? The season starts tomorrow. Also, in-season moves are prohibited.

May I also remind the board that last summer this board was going bonkers because Adams didn't bring in any scoring. "Who is going to score? We can't have the status quo. Why doesn't he do anything?"

(rinse repeat)
- Slump Buster

I dont begrudge them, and I will likely join them if Comrie is still a top 2 option on the depth chart come july 5th or whatever. But I feel like in general we should wait for them to screw up before accusing them of screwing up.

Come now, answer the question. Which franchises would you trade places with over the next 5 years.
- Slump Buster

You're borderline Fitz posting today,

LA
Seattle
NJ
Carolina
Colorado
NYR
Dallas
Boston
Vegas

Your obsession with the Sabres prospects and potential blind you from the fact that 95% of the league is run better than the Sabres organization, rebuild more efficiently/players respect/compete more consistently.

It doesn't matter what anyone says to you, you are fully bought in on the current regimes plan of using the NHL as a development league.

My issue is they let a prime opportunity slip out of their hands this past season. They underestimated where they were and what their timeline was.

If they were to get a rash of injuries this year, or just some bad luck or the bad goaltending continues, they absolutely could miss.

Guess who’s going to feel mighty desperate then and could end up doing a bunch of stuff the “patience” people hate?

I don’t hate Adams, I don’t want him fired (that would be ridiculous) but if they miss again it’s absolutely a conversation
- sbroads24

All good points. I know we disagree on most of last year. There is also a bit of irony in there in that - because they were so successful last year - we are criticizing him for not doing other things. And again, they got to that point because of their patience. You might be right in some of what you said, but I get why they continued to dance with who they brought.

(washedup would have gone back to the sorority house for a bigger gal)

You're borderline Fitz posting today,

LA
Seattle
NJ
Carolina
Colorado
NYR
Dallas
Boston
Vegas

Your obsession with the Sabres prospects and potential blind you from the fact that 95% of the league is run better than the Sabres organization, rebuild more efficiently/players respect/compete more consistently.

It doesn't matter what anyone says to you, you are fully bought in on the current regimes plan of using the NHL as a development league.
- washedup20

This list is hilarious. That said, you seem a bit emotional today. Is everything alright over there? Maybe a little too much sun in your part of the world?

Shouldn't we at least wait until the draft....or until moves are made by non Columbus based teams before we say that?
- Michael Ghofrani

It's my feeling today. That can change next week.

I agree here, my ideal scenario is those types of players on those types of contracts.

Next question is, what's the max you spend to acquire a guy of that talent, term, age
- TheSabresTaco

Good question on cost.

In terms of contract length for said veteran forward, it doesn't necessarily need to be for one season, or even two, but that would mean you're making long term decisions on the beloved prospects.

Example: Trading for Toffoli and extending his contract for an additional 2 seasons means not only trading Olofsson, but also one of Krebs or Mittelstadt after next season, so there's space for a player like Kulich, Savoie, Rosen etc.

You could use Krebs or Mittelstadt (only examples, could be any young forward player or prospect) in a trade to improve the defense and find a long term top 4 solution there.

This list is hilarious. That said, you seem a bit emotional today. Is everything alright over there? Maybe a little too much sun in your part of the world?
- Slump Buster

Who would you take off that list?

LA is loaded and has a better record this past year, they also are primed to make a splash this offseason.

Boston is not going from all time great team to mediocre because 37 yo Bergeron retires.

Dallas has the #1 prospect system in the league and was just in the WCF.

Kruger stank. Hard to wash off.

I don't blame that move 1 bit on Adams. Montour never produced like he did this year, until this year. Other than flashes. He was good and I always thought he could be more effective than used here. But I dont think anyone thought he'd be a 70+ pt player.
- DirtyDan

How do you produce when you aren't used right. Probably not, but I would have taken 50pts and solid play.

This list is hilarious. That said, you seem a bit emotional today. Is everything alright over there? Maybe a little too much sun in your part of the world?
- Slump Buster

Ok