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dmarsden2988
New Jersey Devils
Location: stafford is about equal to rya, NJ
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jun 24 @ 7:03 PM ET
Weekes said meier 8x8.5

Is that true?
vlongo4419
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.31.2013

Jun 24 @ 7:22 PM ET
Weekes said meier 8x8.5

Is that true?

- dmarsden2988


He was just speculating and stirring the pot with a troll video like an hour after breaking the Haula extension yesterday. Not actually something that he officially reported.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jun 24 @ 7:53 PM ET
Meh if you want to say 2 years was better ya id agree but the money is a non issue. Cap is only going up. For a third line center who can shift around the lineup and keep your star happy its a fair deal.
- Theathletic is for libs

Everyone has been saying for years the cap will be going up 4, 5, even 6 mil. It hasn’t yet. It goes up 1 mil every season and there’s every reason to believe that is going to continue. Even with bettmans comments the other day, he has said the same thing in the past.
Theathletic is for libs
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.27.2020

Jun 24 @ 8:57 PM ET
Everyone has been saying for years the cap will be going up 4, 5, even 6 mil. It hasn’t yet. It goes up 1 mil every season and there’s every reason to believe that is going to continue. Even with bettmans comments the other day, he has said the same thing in the past.
- shvingter88



A memorandum of understanding in the current collective bargaining agreement dictates that the cap can only go up 5 percent in any one year, so if it does go up $1 million for next season, this is how it could increase from there:

2022-23: $82.5 million
2023-24: $83.5 million
2024-25: $87.7 million
2025-26: $92.1 million
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jun 25 @ 11:04 AM ET
A memorandum of understanding in the current collective bargaining agreement dictates that the cap can only go up 5 percent in any one year, so if it does go up $1 million for next season, this is how it could increase from there:

2022-23: $82.5 million
2023-24: $83.5 million
2024-25: $87.7 million
2025-26: $92.1 million

- Theathletic is for libs

This will not happen
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jun 25 @ 11:07 AM ET
This whole "we're trading for Hellebuyck even if an extension in place" doesn't really make a lot of sense unless Winnipeg is just going to give him away, which they're not.
vlongo4419
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.31.2013

Jun 25 @ 11:15 AM ET
A memorandum of understanding in the current collective bargaining agreement dictates that the cap can only go up 5 percent in any one year, so if it does go up $1 million for next season, this is how it could increase from there:

2022-23: $82.5 million
2023-24: $83.5 million
2024-25: $87.7 million
2025-26: $92.1 million

- Theathletic is for libs


For sure, seems to be what everybody is expecting. Essentially what Seravalli and the other insiders have been saying for months now, should expect it to be into the 90s by 2025. We shall see
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jun 25 @ 11:28 AM ET
Jordan staal just signed a more reasonable contract than haula. Staal offers way more defensively than haula. We got hosed.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jun 25 @ 11:29 AM ET
For sure, seems to be what everybody is expecting. Essentially what Seravalli and the other insiders have been saying for months now, should expect it to be into the 90s by 2025. We shall see
- vlongo4419

Dude everyone has been saying this forever. I’ve never not seen anyone in the league say well the cap is going up huge next season.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jun 25 @ 11:30 AM ET
This whole "we're trading for Hellebuyck even if an extension in place" doesn't really make a lot of sense unless Winnipeg is just going to give him away, which they're not.
- Pomegrant

Don’t worry the cap is going to sky rocket
vlongo4419
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.31.2013

Jun 25 @ 11:33 AM ET
Jordan staal just signed a more reasonable contract than haula. Staal offers way more defensively than haula. We got hosed.
- shvingter88


Jordan Staal will be 35 before the season starts and just signed for 4 years. Nobody would've given him more than 2 years in FA. Nobody got hosed. Haula took less than market value to have the extra year, Staal did the same but got 2 extra years. Staals contract also contains a full no move clause in the first 3 years and a full no trade clause in the final year.
vlongo4419
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.31.2013

Jun 25 @ 11:35 AM ET
Dude everyone has been saying this forever. I’ve never not seen anyone in the league say well the cap is going up huge next season.
- shvingter88


Correct, they have been saying it. But that was premature to the escrow actually being paid off. The escrow is now expected to be paid off during this upcoming season. The cap is more likely than not going up next year. The fact that Bettman has FINALLY said the big increase could come next year, means a ton. Because its the first time he's actually said it.

The logical increase over the next few years is:
83.5M this year
~87M in 24-25
~91M in 25-26
~94/95M in 26-27

Beyond that, who knows.
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jun 25 @ 11:49 AM ET
The cap was supposed to jump by a lot because of the new TV deal but then Bally sports went bankrupt and screwed everybody. It's caused a lot of problems for baseball teams too.
vlongo4419
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.31.2013

Jun 25 @ 11:53 AM ET
The cap was supposed to jump by a lot because of the new TV deal but then Bally sports went bankrupt and screwed everybody. It's caused a lot of problems for baseball teams too.
- Pomegrant


Yep that's one of the reasons it didn't go up this year. It still could've gone up 2 or 3 million this offseason but both sides didn't want to negotiate beyond the minimum. Even more reason to believe it goes up big next year. Hell, even if it's not next year, it's going up big eventually. It won't stay flat for much longer, the league just can't have it happen. So next year(most likely timeframe), or 2025, whenever. It's going up big real soon.

Like I said, Bettman just saying it himself is a massive reason to believe it'll happen. Even amongst all the rumors this past season that the big increase is coming now, back in December Bettman said likely only a 1M increase will happen. And that was the case. Now, him flat out saying we could see 4M+ next year is huge. Just shows its likely coming.

Luckily for us, we arent living or dying by the penny like a lot of teams out there so its not *as important* as it is for some other teams. But it would be nice to get the extra room to be able to go add another difference maker or two in the future if something presented itself.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jun 25 @ 5:52 PM ET
Correct, they have been saying it. But that was premature to the escrow actually being paid off. The escrow is now expected to be paid off during this upcoming season. The cap is more likely than not going up next year. The fact that Bettman has FINALLY said the big increase could come next year, means a ton. Because its the first time he's actually said it.

The logical increase over the next few years is:
83.5M this year
~87M in 24-25
~91M in 25-26
~94/95M in 26-27

Beyond that, who knows.

- vlongo4419

That’s not true he said it back in 2018
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jun 25 @ 5:54 PM ET
Jordan Staal will be 35 before the season starts and just signed for 4 years. Nobody would've given him more than 2 years in FA. Nobody got hosed. Haula took less than market value to have the extra year, Staal did the same but got 2 extra years. Staals contract also contains a full no move clause in the first 3 years and a full no trade clause in the final year.
- vlongo4419

Haula sucks man he should have had a way better year playing with Hughes he’s not worth it
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jun 25 @ 5:55 PM ET
The cap was supposed to jump by a lot because of the new TV deal but then Bally sports went bankrupt and screwed everybody. It's caused a lot of problems for baseball teams too.
- Pomegrant

They will always find a reason to not have a huge jump
vlongo4419
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.31.2013

Jun 25 @ 6:53 PM ET
Haula sucks man he should have had a way better year playing with Hughes he’s not worth it
- shvingter88


He definitely *should* have been better. But thats just called being unlucky/super snakebitten to start the year. Back to back 40+ point seasons, great on the PK, solid matchup center, very good at faceoffs. He shot 4% below his career average this year, the 2nd lowest of his career in a season with 40+ games played, but if he shoots at his average hes closing in on a 20/50 season. Yeah, that kind of player definitely does not suck and he's absolutely worth the contract lmfao. He gets more on the open market. Somewhere in the 3.5-4M range, but probably only 2 years instead of 3.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jun 25 @ 7:23 PM ET
He definitely *should* have been better. But thats just called being unlucky/super snakebitten to start the year. Back to back 40+ point seasons, great on the PK, solid matchup center, very good at faceoffs. He shot 4% below his career average this year, the 2nd lowest of his career in a season with 40+ games played, but if he shoots at his average hes closing in on a 20/50 season. Yeah, that kind of player definitely does not suck and he's absolutely worth the contract lmfao. He gets more on the open market. Somewhere in the 3.5-4M range, but probably only 2 years instead of 3.
- vlongo4419

Lmfao you said if he does, what a joke.
vlongo4419
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.31.2013

Jun 25 @ 7:31 PM ET
Lmfao you said if he does, what a joke.
- shvingter88


Even if he doesnt, i'll take ~15 goals/~40 points all day long. For barely over 3M? On top of all of the defensive capabilites? Yeah I'll take that. Like I said. Not a bad player at all. If that is your definiton of someone who sucks then more than half of the league is awful. Of course you ignore everything else in my response though. Typical.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jun 27 @ 7:52 AM ET
Even if he doesnt, i'll take ~15 goals/~40 points all day long. For barely over 3M? On top of all of the defensive capabilites? Yeah I'll take that. Like I said. Not a bad player at all. If that is your definiton of someone who sucks then more than half of the league is awful. Of course you ignore everything else in my response though. Typical.
- vlongo4419

You said if, I didn’t ignore anything.
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