I mean there was a reason he was unemployed for only a week and got so much money from the Penguins

He is a very good GM.

Already made one good move for then Pens.
- Santo_44

I remain baffled at the lament and I disagree on the "very good GM" narrative. Thanks.

I remain baffled at the lament and I disagree on the "very good GM" narrative. Thanks.
- mjones242

Its no narrative.

The dude got paid...because he is good at his job.

Its no narrative.

The dude got paid...because he is good at his job.
- Santo_44

You've just downgraded him from "very good" to "good."

You've just downgraded him from "very good" to "good."
- mjones242

Looks at his pay check.

Wow that is good and very good.

Two if you count not drafting "off the board"
- Aaron_85

If we take a look at the boards from previous years I don't know why anyone cares about going off the board. It's just a slot machine.

If we take a look at the boards from previous years I don't know why anyone cares about going off the board. It's just a slot machine.
- Zezel

Agreed. Everyone is a prospect, even Bedard.

Looks at his pay check.

Wow that is good and very good.
- Santo_44

Look at his post-season record.

Wow that is not good and not very good.

Look at his post-season record.

Wow that is not good and not very good.
- mjones242

His record actually isnt too bad.

always close series.

Also has never missed the playoffs.

Very important to make the playoffs if you want to win I would say.

Honestly I would have taken David Edstrom. He'll probably never be flashy, but he could be a solid pick who has greater perceived trade value over the next couple of years even if you don't like his progress.

I will place some faith in Clark that Trelivnig said, "Who is the best player in your opinion available between now and the mid-third when we could acquire another pick?"

Unlike some, I do like what the scouting staff have done. I believe in a number of the prospects in the organization. We'll see!
- Monkeypunk

Me too. We got a good number of really good kids.

Frank Seravalli

@frank_seravalli
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13m
#Isles have traded Josh Bailey and a 2026 2nd Round pick to the #Blackhawks for future considerations.

Pure salary dump.



Bleh, not the best for Murray deal.

Makes 300K less.

That 2nd is way into the future though.

The continued lament for Dubas absolutely baffles me.

Seemed like a good, classy guy when he was here. The team had some remarkable success in the regular season buoyed by an elite (if overpaid) Core 4 of which he was responsible for only 1 of them (Snake) and a very dismal, disappointing post-season record to go along with it.

Some good moves (Campbell, Muzzin), some bad moves (Kadri, Marchment), some good luck, and some bad luck.

🤷
- mjones242

sorry to hear that it baffles you

I remain baffled at the lament and I disagree on the "very good GM" narrative. Thanks.
- mjones242

I think time will tell more on how good Dubas was. We do know that when he arrived he built up sports science and analytics departments, he improved data management practices and communication, and effected a more efficient structure in the back-end as well as started to create more organizational relationships from the Growlers to the Marlies to the Leafs - all of which are smart. They're not necessarily innovative in that other successful organizations were already doing these things, but the Leafs approaches were largely optical at best. They improved facilities for training and practice and effected other (sports science related, really) techniques to maximize an athlete's regimen. I have no complaint with any of that.

There was definitely learning on the job. From making the mistake of taking it at face value that the NHL wasn't lying when they said they were cracking down on obstruction to trying to build a team that too was skill-heavy as a result - but he adjusted on the fly and tweaked the roster as he went.

His inability to properly manage the goaltender situation, acquire a real shutdown defender or solidify the top-6 are probably his largest failings at the roster level. His contract negotiations favouring the players too heavily and the overeager signing of Tavares were probably the player mistakes.

We can bemoan the Kadri or Marchment deals - but people that female dog about Marner's vanishing act in the playoffs still thought Kadri should stay and he physically wasn't even there. Marchment for Malgin? Maybe Dubas. Maybe scouts. Maybe Matthews. I don't know, but it was a bad trade. That said, Malgin scored 13 goals last year and Marchment scored 12.

You didn't hear guys talking about wanting to leave. You didn't hear guys who felt things were unfair and he definitely had built a reputation as a team that was going to give guys looking to rebuild their careers a fair shake and if they couldn't give them that opportunity, they would work to find a place that would. That is an important thing to establish.

I liked him. I liked his candor. I liked his approach. I think he's a relationship manager and also a reputable guy who will probably continue to get better now that some of those first missteps have already been made.

I can say all that about Dubas, but the only thing I can say about Treliving is that I liked the Zadorov and both Hamilton deals and that he managed to make lemonade out of the Tkachuk situation. I'm hoping with more information, a better situation, and better facilities he is able to do more here than he was in Calgary.

Frank Seravalli

@frank_seravalli
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13m
#Isles have traded Josh Bailey and a 2026 2nd Round pick to the #Blackhawks for future considerations.

Pure salary dump.



Bleh, not the best for Murray deal.

Makes 300K less.

That 2nd is way into the future though.
- Santo_44

Murray & Willy to us for picks 33,59&60 then plenty of money for free agents

Murray & Willy to us for picks 33,59&60 then plenty of money for free agents
- dozerD10

(frank) that

Trotz says he offered Askarov ++ to both SJ & MtL to move up and get a center - because he was desperate for a difference maker in the middle -

Poile says watch for a ton of trades today - yes please -
- dozerD10

id love the Leafs to take a shot at askarov
but i get why they wouldnt want to take the risk on a goalie.
they are too much of a mystery box

(frank) that
- Santo_44

Your brevity and succinctness is appreciated.

His record actually isnt too bad.

always close series.

Also has never missed the playoffs.

Very important to make the playoffs if you want to win I would say.
- Santo_44

Yes, it is/was.

I like Dubas just fine. I don't mistake him for being a "very good GM" though. At the risk of repeating myself: he's made some great moves, he's made some terrible moves (Kadri), and he's made some middling moves.

The team was largely buoyed on 4 elite players of which he only had his hands involved in acquiring one of them. One could make a logical argument that signing Snakevares was actually not an optimal move and, in fact, handcuffed Dubas in the moves he was able to make moving forward (hard to be flexible when you've ostensibly locked up 50% of the cap into 4 skilled forwards).

Time will tell if he's able to live up to the "very good GM" moniker with Pittsburgh. The team certainly will have more wiggle room for him to play with.

To wit: there shouldn't be a continued, wailing lament for Dubas in Toronto. The team will be just fine without him and he'll be just fine (maybe "very good") in his new position.

I think time will tell more on how good Dubas was. We do know that when he arrived he built up sports science and analytics departments, he improved data management practices and communication, and effected a more efficient structure in the back-end as well as started to create more organizational relationships from the Growlers to the Marlies to the Leafs - all of which are smart. They're not necessarily innovative in that other successful organizations were already doing these things, but the Leafs approaches were largely optical at best. They improved facilities for training and practice and effected other (sports science related, really) techniques to maximize an athlete's regimen. I have no complaint with any of that.

There was definitely learning on the job. From making the mistake of taking it at face value that the NHL wasn't lying when they said they were cracking down on obstruction to trying to build a team that too was skill-heavy as a result - but he adjusted on the fly and tweaked the roster as he went.

His inability to properly manage the goaltender situation, acquire a real shutdown defender or solidify the top-6 are probably his largest failings at the roster level. His contract negotiations favouring the players too heavily and the overeager signing of Tavares were probably the player mistakes.

We can bemoan the Kadri or Marchment deals - but people that female dog about Marner's vanishing act in the playoffs still thought Kadri should stay and he physically wasn't even there. Marchment for Malgin? Maybe Dubas. Maybe scouts. Maybe Matthews. I don't know, but it was a bad trade. That said, Malgin scored 13 goals last year and Marchment scored 12.

You didn't hear guys talking about wanting to leave. You didn't hear guys who felt things were unfair and he definitely had built a reputation as a team that was going to give guys looking to rebuild their careers a fair shake and if they couldn't give them that opportunity, they would work to find a place that would. That is an important thing to establish.

I liked him. I liked his candor. I liked his approach. I think he's a relationship manager and also a reputable guy who will probably continue to get better now that some of those first missteps have already been made.

I can say all that about Dubas, but the only thing I can say about Treliving is that I liked the Zadorov and both Hamilton deals and that he managed to make lemonade out of the Tkachuk situation. I'm hoping with more information, a better situation, and better facilities he is able to do more here than he was in Calgary.
- Monkeypunk

Was reading something on this a week or two back. The article implied that the association with the Growlers was actually a waste, since the type of prospects you are hoping to get from the league, are all pretty much obtainable whether they are on 'your' team or not.
Interesting take. Though personally, I think the goodwill that comes with supporting small market teaams is worth it for the game in general. As long as it doesn't become a distraction.

Your brevity and succinctness is appreciated.
- dozerD10

I am sorry but Nyalnder for picks and spend on FA on this terrible draft class is just awful.

I have no other response.

Agreed. Everyone is a prospect, even Bedard.
- Aaron_85

The very top kids have decent chances but the odds drop off precipitously as the draft progresses. It makes no sense for anyone to make any claims about this or that prospect later in the draft. No one knows. Some fans should be working for an NHL team if they know, they'd make a lot of money with their crystal ball.

Yes, it is/was.

I like Dubas just fine. I don't mistake him for being a "very good GM" though. At the risk of repeating myself: he's made some great moves, he's made some terrible moves (Kadri), and he's made some middling moves.

The team was largely buoyed on 4 elite players of which he only had his hands involved in acquiring one of them. One could make a logical argument that signing Snakevares was actually not an optimal move and, in fact, handcuffed Dubas in the moves he was able to make moving forward (hard to be flexible when you've ostensibly locked up 50% of the cap into 4 skilled forwards).

Time will tell if he's able to live up to the "very good GM" moniker with Pittsburgh. The team certainly will have more wiggle room for him to play with.

To wit: there shouldn't be a continued, wailing lament for Dubas in Toronto. The team will be just fine without him and he'll be just fine (maybe "very good") in his new position.
- mjones242

Meh other teams had worse. Teams are out here getting swept and the Leafs were always in the fight.

I like JT. Glad he signed him.

Look around the league, every gm makes some good and bad moves.

He was sought after for a reason, he is good.

Murray & Willy to us for picks 33,59&60 then plenty of money for free agents
- dozerD10

I can see why you and the Ducks would like this deal.

It's the exact same reason it's a disgustingly bad deal for the Leafs.

Hard pass.

(frank) Gauthier to Tbay

Murray & Willy to us for picks 33,59&60 then plenty of money for free agents
- dozerD10

https://ca.org/

Was reading something on this a week or two back. The article implied that the association with the Growlers was actually a waste, since the type of prospects you are hoping to get from the league, are all pretty much obtainable whether they are on 'your' team or not.
Interesting take. Though personally, I think the goodwill that comes with supporting small market teaams is worth it for the game in general. As long as it doesn't become a distraction.
- oldstyle

I don't think organizationally they got to where they wanted with the Growlers to be honest. I recall them talking about using the Growlers as a developmental league similar to AA in baseball - so you'd have AAA as the Marlies, but if a guy needed some more ice time or needed to develop a bit more, you could move him to the Growlers and give him a chance.

They didn't seem to get a whole lot out of that - Kokkonen finished up there last year, the year before McMann had a stint there, the year prior to that you had Hollowell - and a few other prospects who may or may not ever make the NHL like SDA, Gogolev or Duszak spent time there.

I wouldn't disagree with the article - the only guy who I really think is likely to have a season or two in the NHL, and it will likely be as a tweener, is McMann - and he's already 27.