what does that make you then Jim Benning?
- manvanfan

Sadly, Jim Benning knows more about being an NHL executive than you and I put together. But he was still really bad at it.

Stevie Y is a benning clone. Perhaps that’s why Lefty loves him so much. He needs Jim in his life
- CanuckDon

I would bet large sums of money the Red Wings are better off in five years from now than the Canucks because of the groundwork Yzerman is laying down now. The guy is pure NHL GM genius!!


PS: I know it works some up so I'm pushing the narrative a little bit. Which makes y'all look foolish because I can push your buttons so easily.

Stevie inherited a lot when he got there to TB.

He didn’t in Det, it was a Gillis type mess and now people are knocking him because they are unsure of his plan 6 years later. Situation sound familiar to any recent Canuck GM?
- manvanfan

time flies, who'd a thunk 2019 was 6 years ago

I would bet large sums of money the Red Wings are better off in five years from now than the Canucks because of the groundwork Yzerman is laying down now. The guy is pure NHL GM genius!!


PS: I know it works some up so I'm pushing the narrative a little bit. Which makes y'all look foolish because I can push your buttons so easily.
- LeftCoaster

It’s not hard, they get fixated on one thing. Forget or can’t see the bigger picture.

time flies, who'd a thunk 2019 was 6 years ago
- golfingsince

I’m sorry, I read it in a tweet asking about how people feel about Stevie’s plan 6 years later.

It’s not hard, they get fixated on one thing. Forget or can’t see the bigger picture.
- manvanfan

I just don't think the Canucks will ever win a Cup as long as the Aquilini's own the team. They just won't commit to building a good foundation. They get a couple flashy players and figure it's go-time.

I’m sorry, I read it in a tweet asking about how people feel about Stevie’s plan 6 years later.
- manvanfan

Stevie Y MIGHT have a plan... can he pull it off in Detroit when he doesn't have a huge star in Stamkos, a Norris-winning 1D in Hedman or even a decent goalie? He basically took a team that was close in Tampa and managed it to get it over the hump. That's not exactly being the greatest GM ever, it's just that he didn't screw it up, plus he got lucky in a couple of picks and managed to get rid of Drouin for Sergachev which pushed them over the edge.

Stevie Y MIGHT have a plan... can he pull it off in Detroit when he doesn't have a huge star in Stamkos, a Norris-winning 1D in Hedman or even a decent goalie? He basically took a team that was close in Tampa and managed it to get it over the hump. That's not exactly being the greatest GM ever, it's just that he didn't screw it up, plus he got lucky in a couple of picks and managed to get rid of Drouin for Sergachev which pushed them over the edge.
- DariusKnight

The lightening didn’t win a Stanley cup with Yzerman.

I just don't think the Canucks will ever win a Cup as long as the Aquilini's own the team. They just won't commit to building a good foundation. They get a couple flashy players and figure it's go-time.
- LeftCoaster

Owning Abbotsford now is big. Having a large development staff is big. Those are still new. I’d still like to see some long time amateur scouts move on. Shane Malloy was saying you will know if they are working in 3-4 years if you are seeing players from Abby come up as more than just replacement level types.

I think many people, yourself included, apparently, are reading too much into it. Yzerman just felt the team isn't ready so he wanted the best possible return he could get to utilize the draft, which Allvin gave him. He got Axel Sandin-Pellika, Brady Cleveland and Kevin Bicker for Hronek.
- LeftCoaster

Fair enough. I guess it all boils down to the fact I don't think this team is ready either. I don't think we're a Hronek away, I think we're a Hronek plus like five more major pieces away. Would much rather have had the picks, and don't forget the cap space .. including whatever the higher hit is next year and forward.

But everything really goes back to argument (that really isn't an argument because they won't) that this team needs a proper rebuild. It's hard to take yourself out of the shoes of what you see and what should be done, even though you know it's not an option. They're not going to be a very good team next year IMHO ... and I'd rather be a not very good team with the picks and cap space, further cemented in hindsight by how the draft went down and who was available.

The lightening didn’t win a Stanley cup with Yzerman.
- CanuckDon

No, they won one because of him though.

Stevie Y MIGHT have a plan... can he pull it off in Detroit when he doesn't have a huge star in Stamkos, a Norris-winning 1D in Hedman or even a decent goalie? He basically took a team that was close in Tampa and managed it to get it over the hump. That's not exactly being the greatest GM ever, it's just that he didn't screw it up, plus he got lucky in a couple of picks and managed to get rid of Drouin for Sergachev which pushed them over the edge.
- DariusKnight

That is now the issue with Detroit and teams that don’t bottom out. Detroit needs a star. Drafting 8-9 now is less likely to yield them a star.

Not hard to pay for a star if you can draft like Vegas did getting Eichel and Stone. As seen Stevie is still accumulating though.

Owning Abbotsford now is big. Having a large development staff is big. Those are still new. I’d still like to see some long time amateur scouts move on. Shane Malloy was saying you will know if they are working in 3-4 years if you are seeing players from Abby come up as more than just replacement level types.
- manvanfan

Agree, that is certainly a step in the right direction. Unlike some uninformed people, myself among those, I think the Canucks last two drafts have been good. Time will determine that but I think it's not out of the realm of possibility that they get four NHL players out of those two drafts. Which would be good value IMO.

Escape PHEV arrived today, went and sat in it and it's fairly roomy even in the back seat.

That is now the issue with Detroit and teams that don’t bottom out. Detroit needs a star. Drafting 8-9 now is less likely to yield them a star.

Not hard to pay for a star if you can draft like Vegas did getting Eichel and Stone. As seen Stevie is still accumulating though.
- manvanfan

They could have had a star. Dvorsky. Stevie somehow managed to (frank) that up too

Unlike Boeser, I think DeBrincat's bad +/- is more a product of their team systems. Fix that!!
- LeftCoaster

What type of coolaid are you drinking, Boeser was on the worst defensive team last year, because of crap systems as told by Tocchet and Rutherford.

Now Boeser gets 55pts and -20 on the pooptest defensive team.
DeBrincat gets 66pts and -31 on a better defensive team and you want to balloon Boeser and pay 9 to DeBrincat.

You might need to post less BS, or re-evaluate what you actually post.

BTW, Yzerman is hugely overrated and now because you believe he is GM god material I am reassured in my belief. Overrated

Escape PHEV arrived today, went and sat in it and it's fairly roomy even in the back seat.
- golfingsince

CN right? What’s the discount on one of those?

That is now the issue with Detroit and teams that don’t bottom out. Detroit needs a star. Drafting 8-9 now is less likely to yield them a star.

Not hard to pay for a star if you can draft like Vegas did getting Eichel and Stone. As seen Stevie is still accumulating though.
- manvanfan

Depends on your definition of a star. Jack Eichel is a good NHL center, is he a star, sure. He's an 80 center, just like 26 year old Dylan Larkin. Stone is a damn good player, who's slow a (frank), but he's not a super-star. Jonathan Marchessault, as star, sure, but not in the sense Nathan MacKinnon is a star.

I think talent is obviously top priority but depth is a close second along with being able to play a heavy game in the playoffs, as things get tighter in the neutral zone and pucks tend to get pushed to the outside along the boards where you need bigger players to win.

CN right? What’s the discount on one of those?
- manvanfan

Not much on the base level, like $2300. But we also got $5K federal and $5k provincial.

What department you in?

They could have had a star. Dvorsky. Stevie somehow managed to (frank) that up too
- CanuckDon

I think he drafted that type of centre but with less upside last year with Marco Kasper and was looking for someone different this year.

If there D workout 3 Swedes and a German top 4.

Anyways it came to $45K taxes in.

They could have had a star. Dvorsky. Stevie somehow managed to (frank) that up too
- CanuckDon

Had he slipped 1 more spot I think we would have drafted him.

I heard raves about Lekkerimäki recently.

TBH I know nothing about him.
- VanHockeyGuy

I watched more tape on him last night out of curiosity. He's a floater defensively. Glides around not taking a man waiting for a puck. It totally reminded me of Boeser. Great shot... poor work ethic.

Had he slipped 1 more spot I think we would have drafted him.
- golfingsince

Absolutely, they were very high on Dvorsky. They didn’t even bother with a dinner as they didn’t think he had any chance of falling to 11. So close!

Not much on the base level, like $2300. But we also got $5K federal and $5k provincial.

What department you in?
- golfingsince

I wonder if MB has the fed and provincials rebates as well. They used to have 8k provincial rebate but that was before Covid.