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Jul 13 @ 6:44 PM ET
I don't want to even imagine that trade not working out. Hronek too injured or too expensive, Raty not meeting managements expectations, and the prospects that were available at 17 if the Canucks kept that pick.... big hole in the middle not filled after moving BH... good grief.
Like Guy Rubberboot says, wait and see... no sense fretting yet. - boonerbuck
I expect it to look like a great trade to begin the season unless Hronek is injured, likely through the season as well unless there's a massive financial commitment at some point.
I think in 4 years it won't look nearly as attractive. However, many of the key pieces of our roster are meant to win now.
I'm not sure if it will ever be a good trade, unless Hronek re-signs to a reasonable amount and exceeds expectations.
They traded picks with which they could have added another top D prospect as well as a candidate for 3C at a minimum, but yeah that would have been likely at least 2-4 years away.
Seeing as how Miller is aging and Kuz is on a two year deal I understand it. - golfingsince
I can see the reasoning behind the moves. I am not sure if it is the right move.
I think though even with what has transpired I still think the Canucks are still at least two big moves away from being a competitive team.
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Jul 13 @ 7:18 PM ET
I can see the reasoning behind the moves. I am not sure if it is the right move.
I think though even with what has transpired I still think the Canucks are still at least two big moves away from being a competitive team. - VANTEL
We're a miracle Demko run and uninjured lineup away from competitiveness. Poor goaltending or injuries and we're screwed. Depth is a hard thing to manage in the salary cap world when you've got bad contracts, dead money and any kind of significant underperformance happening.
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Jul 13 @ 7:28 PM ET
I can see the reasoning behind the moves. I am not sure if it is the right move.
I think though even with what has transpired I still think the Canucks are still at least two big moves away from being a competitive team. - VANTEL
First domino to drop will be if EP40 signs long-term, if he does for less than market value then it makes things much easier going forever. If he signs for what his market says he's worth (10.5+/8) then they're screwed and pieces will have to be moved to make room for his salary. If he doesn't or won't, it'll mean the team is screwed, but it'll also force FA/JR/PA to trade EP, QH, Demko and Miller and actually try a rebuild (even though that's essentially setting the team back 4-5 years)
First domino to drop will be if EP40 signs long-term, if he does for less than market value then it makes things much easier going forever. If he signs for what his market says he's worth (10.5+/8) then they're screwed and pieces will have to be moved to make room for his salary. If he doesn't or won't, it'll mean the team is screwed, but it'll also force FA/JR/PA to trade EP, QH, Demko and Miller and actually try a rebuild (even though that's essentially setting the team back 4-5 years) - DariusKnight
If they can't afford to give market value to EP, it's going to make that Miller signing a disaster.
Pesce is a very good shutdown & PK RHD. The Canes go to RHD defensively. Is the 2024 1st really going to be a game changer? Pesce should allow the Canucks to minimize how high the pick would be. Comes down to if the Canucks are not a lottery team or it’t top 10 protected. Any trade for Pesce comes down to new contract price & cannot miss the PO’s imo. RHD depth would be a serious strength if he came here. Or could ride it out & make an offer if he goes UFA next season. - Nighthawk
This is exactly the kind of thinking that has resulted in vancouver being perpetually middle of the pack at best last couple regimes. It's tempting, I get it ... and that's why GM's do it. What's the difference letting this pick go ... then that pick, then another ...
We're a miracle Demko run and uninjured lineup away from competitiveness. Poor goaltending or injuries and we're screwed. Depth is a hard thing to manage in the salary cap world when you've got bad contracts, dead money and any kind of significant underperformance happening. - micah555
That's my problem with the whole thing. The Demmer part could happen, but canucks get saddled with injuries more often (and earlier in the season) than most teams. The travel is a proven thing. It's why vets don't usually choose the west coast to play out the string. Patty Kane will likely be another example. Stay east = stay healthier.
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Jul 13 @ 9:24 PM ET
We're a miracle Demko run and uninjured lineup away from competitiveness. Poor goaltending or injuries and we're screwed. Depth is a hard thing to manage in the salary cap world when you've got bad contracts, dead money and any kind of significant underperformance happening. - micah555
I don't agree.
I think defensive structure will be better from the start, meaning it won't be necessary to have goaltending be top tier to remain competitive. It would simply be an advantage.
After all, goaltending is part of the team. Having above average goaltending is a huge advantage providing you can sustain average offensive and defensive play. When that goalie gets in the zone then you can beat any team on any given night.