I am no where near calling Raty Podkolzin or Hoglander a bust.
Raty is 20 years old. Let's see how his next two years or three go for development.

If they trade Beauvillier the deal becomes Hronek,
Raty, and a third and cap space and the saving grace that we did not lock Bo in long term.
- VANTEL

Beauvillier and Hronek make 8.55 million between them, plus both are due a raise after this season, so not seeing where the cap savings are.
Also Hronek cost the 1st acquired in the Horvat trade, plus a 2nd round pick.

You are starting to get as bad as Lefty with your math and disinformation. I may have to make Booner aware of this, he will set you straight.

For what?

I get what you are saying I just don't see any big moves coming down the pipe directed at Canucks where we need cap space of three to four million. Also if an emergency move was needed there are ways to move money.

Canucks really do have enough cap space over the next couple of years.
- VANTEL

So they aren't limiting their options in the future.

No, they don't. Being a non contender up against the cap serves no purpose. Hasn't the last decade proven that enough?

It's a yearly off-season occurrence for you.
- Reubenkincade

You can swallow in misery and doom and gloom if you want it is your nickel to do what you want with it.

Canucks drafted one of the three best Dmen of the draft and he has size and is RHD.
They bought out OEL's anchor.
They did not hand out stupid contracts in Free Agency.
They did not give an injured Ethan Bear a 2 x 2.5 contract.
They will have about 40 mil in cap space next year and have a player or two like Podk or Hog to take a full time job.
They signed two sought after NCAA free agents.
They scooped up some prospects like Bloom Johansson

None of these things have to do directly with next years performance on ice.

So they aren't limiting their options in the future.

No, they don't. Being a non contender up against the cap serves no purpose. Hasn't the last decade proven that enough?
- Load Management

This last decade has proven that this owner will not go that route that you are talking about. He will not rebuild. He will not keep boatloads of cap and take other teams bad contracts and collect draft picks.

I am not a fan of the Hronek deal but this ownership doesn't give a sh1t about how I feel and traded for him anyways.

At least a 3 mill pro rated cap hit though. If Canucks eat half.... def not very valuable.... prob get less the Schenn if it was possible to move.
- SMP8719

If you're talking about Myers being traded halfway through the season, yes his pro rated cap hit is 3 mil.

It's much less at the TDL which is my point. If they eat some, even better.

You can swallow in misery and doom and gloom if you want it is your nickel to do what you want with it.

Canucks drafted one of the three best Dmen of the draft and he has size and is RHD.
They bought out OEL's anchor.
They did not hand out stupid contracts in Free Agency.
They did not give an injured Ethan Bear a 2 x 2.5 contract.
They will have about 40 mil in cap space next year and have a player or two like Podk or Hog to take a full time job.
They signed two sought after NCAA free agents.
They scooped up some prospects like Bloom Johansson

None of these things have to do directly with next years performance on ice.
- VANTEL

Is it automatically assumed to be doom and gloom, because someone doesn't like the types of players the team has in the organization, as a fan of this team for 53 seasons and counting, I think I will hold off on waving pom-poms until I stop seeing the Canucks doing the definition of insanity.

Is it automatically assumed to be doom and gloom, because someone doesn't like the types of layers the team has in the organization, as a fan of this team for 53 seasons and counting, I think I will hold off on waving pom-poms until I start seeing the Canucks doing the definition of insanity.
- Reubenkincade

It is also automatically assumed someone is waiving pom-poms just because they are not screaming at the team.

Read between the lines. I am saying they have done some good things in the last few months. Continue to do more good things and eventually you will have a good thing.

I don't know how to make it any clearer I don't think they have done enough to be a playoff team this year but they are going in the right direction for once.

This last decade has proven that this owner will not go that route that you are talking about. He will not rebuild. He will not keep boatloads of cap and take other teams bad contracts and collect draft picks.

I am not a fan of the Hronek deal but this ownership doesn't give a sh1t about how I feel and traded for him anyways.
- VANTEL

IMHO they are already heading down this route out of necessity. Look at the amount of expiring contacts they're holding this year.

Beauvillier and Hronek make 8.55 million between them, plus both are due a raise after this season, so not seeing where the cap savings are.
Also Hronek cost the 1st acquired in the Horvat trade, plus a 2nd round pick.

You are starting to get as bad as Lefty with your math and disinformation. I may have to make Booner aware of this, he will set you straight.
- Reubenkincade

You think I liked the Hronek trade?


My misinformation on what? I said yup Beau will be traded for a third (no increase given)

Totally against the Hronek deal but it will end up being Hronek Raty(big deal) and a third for Bo as the final trade .

IMHO they are already heading down this route out of necessity. Look at the amount of expiring contacts they're holding this year.
- Load Management

I can see where you are going with this.

I can see where you are going with this.
- VANTEL

Hell?

Hell?
- Load Management

There too

You think I liked the Hronek trade?


My misinformation on what? I said yup Beau will be traded for a third (no increase given)

Totally against the Hronek deal but it will end up being Hronek Raty(big deal) and a third for Bo as the final trade .
- VANTEL

I know you weren't a fan of Hronek trade, a few on here werent, myself included.

Again, if Hronek Cost a 1st and a 2nd, then it would be Bo plus a 2nd, for Hronek, Raty etc( disinformation).
It is like someone saying it cost a 2nd to trade Richardenson, when in reality, it cost a 2nd and Richardenson to sign Mikheyev.

It is also automatically assumed someone is waiving pom-poms just because they are not screaming at the team.

Read between the lines. I am saying they have done some good things in the last few months. Continue to do more good things and eventually you will have a good thing.

I don't know how to make it any clearer I don't think they have done enough to be a playoff team this year but they are going in the right direction for once.
- VANTEL

I think this is where some, including myself, take issue.

They are up against the cap with a crappy team. Their defense was horrendous so they patched it up a bit with some free agents.

Were they as stupid as they've been in past years in free agency - no. This I will grant you but all that does is keep things stationary at best ... not moving in the right direction. To me the right direction are things like not doing the Hronek deal. Drafting that extra player. Trading Miller before the big contract kicks in (better yet trading him before signing him but ship sailed). These to me would have been steps in right direction for the new management. This is why I am critical. The rebuttal of course is well ... they won't rebuild.

I take issue with that as they won't even re-tool. Rebuilding would be fire sale Arizona, Detroit style. But re-tooling can mean taking advantage of assets, especially when they're peaking, while knowing that no matter how good that asset is ... it will not be good enough for the current team/mix to be competitive or at least playoffs.

If you're talking about Myers being traded halfway through the season, yes his pro rated cap hit is 3 mil.

It's much less at the TDL which is my point. If they eat some, even better.
- Load Management

Schenns was basically nothing at the deadline... and played much better then Myers. 3 mill Pro Rated is still against a Cap that is pro rated... moot point.

I don't see him being traded unless the Canucks are out of PO contention. They clearly are not rebuilding so the chances of him being traded is only if we suck again and at best a 5th round pick, which who really cares just to clear space for what... his contract is expiring.

You think I liked the Hronek trade?


My misinformation on what? I said yup Beau will be traded for a third (no increase given)

Totally against the Hronek deal but it will end up being Hronek Raty(big deal) and& third for Bo and a 2nd as the final trade .
- VANTEL

fixed

I know you weren't a fan of Hronek trade, a few on here werent, myself included.

Again, if Hronek Cost a 1st and a 2nd, then it would be Bo plus a 2nd, for Hronek, Raty etc( disinformation).
It is like someone saying it cost a 2nd to trade Richardenson, when in reality, it cost a 2nd and Richardenson to sign Mikheyev.
- Reubenkincade

I really consider them two separate transactions but sure I get where you are coming from seeing I am saying Beau will be a third round pick in the overall deal. I will give you the argument point.

I think this is where some, including myself, take issue.

They are up against the cap with a crappy team. Their defense was horrendous so they patched it up a bit with some free agents.

Were they as stupid as they've been in past years in free agency - no. This I will grant you but all that does is keep things stationary at best ... not moving in the right direction. To me the right direction are things like not doing the Hronek deal. Drafting that extra player. Trading Miller before the big contract kicks in (better yet trading him before signing him but ship sailed). These to me would have been steps in right direction for the new management. This is why I am critical. The rebuttal of course is well ... they won't rebuild.

I take issue with that as they won't even re-tool. Rebuilding would be fire sale Arizona, Detroit style. But re-tooling can mean taking advantage of assets, especially when they're peaking, while knowing that no matter how good that asset is ... it will not be good enough for the current team/mix to be competitive or at least playoffs.
- Sayros

I think right now they are not a crappy team, but I think they are on the cusp (Bubble). Very hard to go from zero to hero in one year.

No matter what anyone says I think they have made more positive moves in the last 12 months that they have in any of the years in the last 12 years. They have also made some head scratchers but now that we are getting a better idea of what ownership is saying then the moves now are making more sense. Doesn't mean you have to like them but at least you know why they are made.

Schenns was basically nothing at the deadline... and played much better then Myers. 3 mill Pro Rated is still against a Cap that is pro rated... moot point.

I don't see him being traded unless the Canucks are out of PO contention. They clearly are not rebuilding so the chances of him being traded is only if we suck again and at best a 5th round pick, which who really cares just to clear space for what... his contract is expiring.
- SMP8719

I'm not sure you fully understand how the cap works. His cap hit is not 3 million at the trade deadline. The point I was trying to make and you clearly missed is Myers salary is 1 mil this year. Which is less in actual money paid when you pro rate it at the TDL. Contending teams will always find a way to make the cap work at that time of year regardless. The small paycheck is a nice little bonus.

Obviously you like Schenn more than Myers. But insinuating Schenn would net you more at the deadline is ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is thinking we're only gonna get a 5th for Myers at that time of year.

I'd diagram this out for you, but I feel I'm leading a Camel to water at this point.

I think right now they are not a crappy team, but I think they are on the cusp (Bubble). Very hard to go from zero to hero in one year.

No matter what anyone says I think they have made more positive moves in the last 12 months that they have in any of the years in the last 12 years. They have also made some head scratchers but now that we are getting a better idea of what ownership is saying then the moves now are making more sense. Doesn't mean you have to like them but at least you know why they are made.
- VANTEL

What’s your feelings on Alvin giving up a 3rd round pick for Travis Dermott?

What’s your feelings on Alvin giving up a 3rd round pick for Travis Dermott?

- K-man25

Big fan

I'm not sure you fully understand how the cap works. His cap hit is not 3 million at the trade deadline. The point I was trying to make and you clearly missed is Myers salary is 1 mil this year. Which is less in actual money paid when you pro rate it at the TDL. Contending teams will always find a way to make the cap work at that time of year regardless. The small paycheck is a nice little bonus.

Obviously you like Schenn more than Myers. But insinuating Schenn would net you more at the deadline is ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is thinking we're only gonna get a 5th for Myers at that time of year.

I'd diagram this out for you, but I feel I'm leading a Camel to water at this point.
- Load Management

You guys figured out what's wrong with this team yet?

You guys figured out what's wrong with this team yet?
- A_SteamingLombardi

Lack of HB blogger, obviously.

You guys figured out what's wrong with this team yet?
- A_SteamingLombardi

No. We were anxiously awaiting your assessment. Please don’t keep us in suspense any longer 😩