Fargin Maple Syrups grabbed Bertuzzi...How in the hell does that work cap wise?
- Nfdbulldawg

Treivling making some moves. Like what he has done so far minus the Ryan Reaves signing. The guy can kick arse but he sucks. He’ll barely see the ice.

3.5 is the average pay in the NHL currently.
These contracts are all at average salary or below. The terms can be bought out and there is a new CBA coming in 2025-26 and there with be salary dump options coming in it, imho. That’s because of the effects on the cap that Covid had. I like the deals.
Nelly, Engvail and Palms ( Ladd 2.0 ) had some chemistry and were the best line in the PO push and POs. The team probably doesn’t make the POs without them.
Mayfield eats ice time(-20 OIM ) plays the PK well and is physical. He also had 24 points which is only 2 points lower than Pulock who plays the PP. Pulock salary is 6.150 million.
3.5 per is a hell of a lot lower that the 5 to 6 million the internet GMs were penciling Mayfield in for while leaving the team. You also know his game, which you don’t know bringing in a new player.
But now let’s female dog about term on the deals.
Typical.

Leaf fans who blasted Tyler Bertuzzi for not getting the Covid vaccine seem to be handling his signing real well. Weird.

With the Leafs now -$8,056,450 over the cap after signing Domi. Lou needs to grab Nylander as the Leafs will only need to be able to accept picks and prospects.

3.5 is the average pay in the NHL currently.
These contracts are all at average salary or below. The terms can be bought out and there is a new CBA coming in 2025-26 and there with be salary dump options coming in it, imho. That’s because of the effects on the cap that Covid had. I like the deals.
Nelly, Engvail and Palms ( Ladd 2.0 ) had some chemistry and were the best line in the PO push and POs. The team probably doesn’t make the POs without them.
Mayfield eats ice time(-20 OIM ) plays the PK well and is physical. He also had 24 points which is only 2 points lower than Pulock who plays the PP. Pulock salary is 6.150 million.
3.5 per is a hell of a lot lower that the 5 to 6 million the internet GMs were penciling Mayfield in for while leaving the team. You also know his game, which you don’t know bringing in a new player.
But now let’s female dog about term on the deals.
Typical.
- nyisles7

The female dogin about the term is because that is what places us in these situation of giving up draft picks to move these contracts. I am all for giving up a draft pick for a proven player. I hate giving up a drat pick to fix a mistake. Mayfield, Engvail scream this later...To me Varly is to long as well but given what was out there I am glad they signed him. If it help get Sorokin under contract I am glad they signed him.

The female dogin about the term is because that is what places us in these situation of giving up draft picks to move these contracts. I am all for giving up a draft pick for a proven player. I hate giving up a drat pick to fix a mistake. Mayfield, Engvail scream this later...To me Varly is to long as well but given what was out there I am glad they signed him. If it help get Sorokin under contract I am glad they signed him.
- Nfdbulldawg

Yeah pretty much this. Not a big believer in spending future money with the expectations that the cap is going up. I’m from the camp that believes this team should be hanging on too as much as possible to invest in a top 6 player rather then more middle 6. Sorokin and Engvall contracts I’m not losing sleep over though the term for Engvall is a bit crazy imo. It got his aav down I get it but to me a show me contract would’ve been the best route. I get that’s not exactly what his agent and him were looking for but sometimes the best path is to walk away. With that said I don’t dislike the guy and i can see there is potential for that to turn out to be a good contract in the end. I’m just not completely sold on him BUT have hopes he changes my mind.

Yeah pretty much this. Not a big believer in spending future money with the expectations that the cap is going up. I’m from the camp that believes this team should be hanging on too as much as possible to invest in a top 6 player rather then more middle 6. Sorokin and Engvall contracts I’m not losing sleep over though the term for Engvall is a bit crazy imo. It got his aav down I get it but to me a show me contract would’ve been the best route. I get that’s not exactly what his agent and him were looking for but sometimes the best path is to walk away. With that said I don’t dislike the guy and i can see there is potential for that to turn out to be a good contract in the end. I’m just not completely sold on him BUT have hopes he changes my mind.
- Cptmjl

I think one of the things that separates a GM like Lou vs say the 12 years of Snow, is either Lou himself, or he has someone doing the accounting which plays a pivotal role in asset management. Lest we forget Lou being the first GM to front load Kovulchuk for the devs. Some thought it was cheating others thought it was savvy. I guess ultimately while Engvall term seems a bit much, buying him out in 4-5 years isn’t such a negative in order to get him cheaper on the front end of the contract. My two cents anyway

I think one of the things that separates a GM like Lou vs say the 12 years of Snow, is either Lou himself, or he has someone doing the accounting which plays a pivotal role in asset management. Lest we forget Lou being the first GM to front load Kovulchuk for the devs. Some thought it was cheating others thought it was savvy. I guess ultimately while Engvall term seems a bit much, buying him out in 4-5 years isn’t such a negative in order to get him cheaper on the front end of the contract. My two cents anyway
- kindlyrick

I hear you but this line of thinking I’m not on board with also. Though there is some truth to what you’re saying I think buying out players sounds like some easy thing but rarely materializes in regards to this team especially under Lou. I’m not aware of the details of Engvall’s contract so I’m unaware of the impact of a buyout but it all adds up. A little overpayment here and there winds up being super impactful over the grand scheme of things. This team is the prime example of exactly that. With all of this said Engvall’s contract ends when he’s 34 it’s just a question of when he starts becoming less useful. By all accounts the guy is a pillar of health and plays a game where his positive impact may very well extend almost to the end of it. Mayfield’s and Varly’s on the other hand I’m not so sure about. I get there are situations where you have to overpay or over extend. The problem I have is it can’t be EVERY situation. That’s where the problem lies imo. There has to be some semblance of balance.

I’ll also say I have nothing more to add to this subject. We’ve beat this one to death. It’s like a political discussion at this point where nobody’s mind is going to change at the end of it.

Debrincat’s agent now saying he’s not interested in signing a long term deal till the cap goes up in 24/25. Looking for a one year deal. That adds quite a bit of risk to trading for the guy hoping he signs after next season. Definitely adds a different element when thinking if it’s worth the investment.

I hear you but this line of thinking I’m not on board with also. Though there is some truth to what you’re saying I think buying out players sounds like some easy thing but rarely materializes in regards to this team especially under Lou. I’m not aware of the details of Engvall’s contract so I’m unaware of the impact of a buyout but it all adds up. A little overpayment here and there winds up being super impactful over the grand scheme of things. This team is the prime example of exactly that. With all of this said Engvall’s contract ends when he’s 34 it’s just a question of when he starts becoming less useful. By all accounts the guy is a pillar of health and plays a game where his positive impact may very well extend almost to the end of it. Mayfield’s and Varly’s on the other hand I’m not so sure about. I get there are situations where you have to overpay or over extend. The problem I have is it can’t be EVERY situation. That’s where the problem lies imo. There has to be some semblance of balance.
- Cptmjl

I think (and of course I don’t know) the obvious correlation to all his signings was term. He’s crafty that Lou Lam. One thing that is glaringly obvious is the need to improve the PP. He did what he needed in-house with ridding themselves of a wasted 5 million on Bailey…..the signings, and now he’s said he’s gonna make hockey trades to improve. I’ll speak for myself, but after decades of watching this team, many of that was watching GMs sit on their hands or swing and miss. I bet there’s some truth to that Debrincat rumor, which I hope there is.
Also concerning is Parise…..I woulda liked him back for one more, but I bet he winds up back on the Devils.

I think (and of course I don’t know) the obvious correlation to all his signings was term. He’s crafty that Lou Lam. One thing that is glaringly obvious is the need to improve the PP. He did what he needed in-house with ridding themselves of a wasted 5 million on Bailey…..the signings, and now he’s said he’s gonna make hockey trades to improve. I’ll speak for myself, but after decades of watching this team, many of that was watching GMs sit on their hands or swing and miss. I bet there’s some truth to that Debrincat rumor, which I hope there is.
Also concerning is Parise…..I woulda liked him back for one more, but I bet he winds up back on the Devils.
- kindlyrick

I’m not sure how locking up players over 30 to long term contracts demonstrates “craftiness”. Again, I get the longer the term the lower the aav but I’m not sure these were the right players to make that kind of investment. I’m also taking into consideration the relationship between Sorokin and Varlamov and the potential impact. I’ll hold Parise true to his word that if he doesn’t retire he’ll be with us. Love to have him back. That’s unless Lou told him there’s not an option there potentially because we may need every penny for Debrincat or tarasenko. I bet after these two sign with a team we’ll find out what’s going on with Parise.

I’m not sure how locking up players over 30 to long term contracts demonstrates “craftiness”. Again, I get the longer the term the lower the aav but I’m not sure these were the right players to make that kind of investment. I’m also taking into consideration the relationship between Sorokin and Varlamov and the potential impact. I’ll hold Parise true to his word that if he doesn’t retire he’ll be with us. Love to have him back. That’s unless Lou told him there’s not an option there potentially because we may need every penny for Debrincat or tarasenko. I bet after these two sign with a team we’ll find out what’s going on with Parise.
- Cptmjl

Worth noting is that tight lipped Lou likes to announce everything at the end to keep his leverage

The female dogin about the term is because that is what places us in these situation of giving up draft picks to move these contracts. I am all for giving up a draft pick for a proven player. I hate giving up a drat pick to fix a mistake. Mayfield, Engvail scream this later...To me Varly is to long as well but given what was out there I am glad they signed him. If it help get Sorokin under contract I am glad they signed him.
- Nfdbulldawg

So tell me what would you have done? You couldn’t sign them all with the cap space available without playing with the term. Tell me who you would have signed at what term and aav. Don’t just piss and moan. Please tell us who you would have traded for or signed.
Are we trading Nelson again?
Very easy to piss and moan without giving concrete solutions. This is not aimed at you but everyone who has an opinion but gives no solution or who they would have signed instead and at what contract terms.

Worth noting is that tight lipped Lou likes to announce everything at the end to keep his leverage
- kindlyrick

Yep 100%. I’m hoping we could make an add to our top 6 but I have my doubts. Going to be tough between what we have to offer and the limited cap space we have. Unloading more salary will be necessary and who knows what kind of effect that will have on the overall lineup let alone if it’s even possible.

So te me what would you have done? You couldn’t sign them all with the cap space available. Tell me who you would have signed at what term and aav. Don’t just piss and moan. Please tell us who you would have traded for or signed.
Are we reading Nelson again?
Very easy to piss and moan without giving concrete solutions. Thus is not aimed at you but everyone who has an opinion but gives no solution.
- nyisles7

I guess my response struck a nerve. By your questions you have clearly not read my posts earlier.
First, I always come to the table with a solution. I never show up empty handed. It may not the popular or correct solution but i do a little research before I lay my thoughts out.
When you go back and read my responses then we can continue this discussion.
Have a super duper day!!!

Debrincat is exactly the type of player we need. They need to get him no matter what. JGP, Wally and a first should be enough. For some strange reason, we have a hard time getting big name free agents to come here. Unfortunately we have to trade and probably give a little more but it is what it is. Unless your drafting in the top 1-4 you still dont know what your getting and when the player will be ready. I think they must go all in on this guy.

mr kitty only wants a 1 year deal til the cap goes up. i dunno if that's particularly team player-ish. but he can score and I'd like to meow at the tv every time he does, so i hope he comes here.

Debrincat would be fantastic but if he’s looking for a one year deal and then to test the ufa market I don’t see Lou making a trade for him. Nylander possibly if available, but Toronto can’t take cap back and that would leave the isles trying to shed 6 mil. Don’t see that happening either.

I guess my response struck a nerve. By your questions you have clearly not read my posts earlier.
First, I always come to the table with a solution. I never show up empty handed. It may not the popular or correct solution but i do a little research before I lay my thoughts out.
When you go back and read my responses then we can continue this discussion.
Have a super duper day!!!
- Nfdbulldawg

No nerve struck trust me. I read these posts and just laugh typically.
I Don’t remember reading any solutions. I do remember the trade Nelson suggestion last year. You did own that which is more than I can say for most of the biggest Debbie Downers on here.
That said, What’s done is done. Lou obviously has done the wrong thing again. He’s been wrong since he has come here according to the internet GM’s.
It’s so easy spewing trades, signings and contracts after the fact.
It’s also easy when your ass isn’t on the line.

Debrincat would be fantastic but if he’s looking for a one year deal and then to test the ufa market I don’t see Lou making a trade for him. Nylander possibly if available, but Toronto can’t take cap back and that would leave the isles trying to shed 6 mil. Don’t see that happening either.
- Isles_since_6

Yep. Going to be tough to add Debrincat with that caveat. Maybe tarasenko would be a better option on a year deal if that’s actually what he’s looking for. Won’t cost us anything besides money if we could find a way to free up space. Therein lies the problem though. The only realistic way to free up space would most likely be trading Pageau which I’m not sure is the best idea unless it’s for a signed Debrincat.

3.5 is the average pay in the NHL currently.
These contracts are all at average salary or below. The terms can be bought out and there is a new CBA coming in 2025-26 and there with be salary dump options coming in it, imho. That’s because of the effects on the cap that Covid had. I like the deals.
Nelly, Engvail and Palms ( Ladd 2.0 ) had some chemistry and were the best line in the PO push and POs. The team probably doesn’t make the POs without them.
Mayfield eats ice time(-20 OIM ) plays the PK well and is physical. He also had 24 points which is only 2 points lower than Pulock who plays the PP. Pulock salary is 6.150 million.
3.5 per is a hell of a lot lower that the 5 to 6 million the internet GMs were penciling Mayfield in for while leaving the team. You also know his game, which you don’t know bringing in a new player.
But now let’s female dog about term on the deals.
Typical.
- nyisles7

Why are you still posting on here? Jesus man

I guess my response struck a nerve. By your questions you have clearly not read my posts earlier.
First, I always come to the table with a solution. I never show up empty handed. It may not the popular or correct solution but i do a little research before I lay my thoughts out.
When you go back and read my responses then we can continue this discussion.
Have a super duper day!!!
- Nfdbulldawg

I jus5 wing nonsense on here

Like this typo ⬆️

Lou knows if he does nothing this team has 0% chance of a legitimate run. Who is going to replace Parisis points if he does not come back? The only hope is to give Cat his one year deal and hope to wow him with the location, building and fans. Gives us a chance to be better now, and hopefully we lock him up long term when the cap goes up and clusterfuk is off the books. The players he has kept together for so long need this and so do the fans. If we lose a pick thats the worst case scenario. we still will have money next year. JMO

Lou knows if he does nothing this team has 0% chance of a legitimate run. Who is going to replace Parisis points if he does not come back? The only hope is to give Cat his one year deal and hope to wow him with the location, building and fans. Gives us a chance to be better now, and hopefully we lock him up long term when the cap goes up and clusterfuk is off the books. The players he has kept together for so long need this and so do the fans. If we lose a pick thats the worst case scenario. we still will have money next year. JMO
- LItransplant44

I think he would still need to move players out like jpg to do that and I'm not moving him unless it's a done deal for term on cat

Why are you still posting on here? Jesus man
- Upstate_isles

Good point Oh and (frank) off!