If it was a multi year deal I would get it. But on one year even if he sucks they can cut bait easily
- TPC

it's just contrarian bullpoop

Nobody, that's also a problem. But a different problem.
- tomburton99

That’s why they had to do it. It’s a depth body until a young player is ready. Would’ve loved sprong or rodrigues but not in the cards. If you get 45-50 out of wheeler until a kid is ready it’s better than what they to start last season imo

yeah the problem is the salary cap should have been higher than it is

you change on the fly with this, because last week you were targeting this topic

you know a few of these Ranger signings were with the belief that the cap would be a lot higher by now

so they need a few 800k signings to get them through this season until hopefully they finally do the right (frank)ing thing with the cap next summer
- jimbro83

Who do the rangers have to pay next year? Just Kakko and Schneider?

Talbot at 1mil. I don't think Halak will get more than 1mil. Granted, he has higher aspirations. But don't think he will get what he wants.
- airjan23

is Talbot really that much better than Quick at this point?

this reminds me of kickers in the NFL, all these guys are the same to me

Well one thing is for sure, this rebuild/retool is over. These aged signings have the all in now, we definitely wont be seeing and young blood injected into the line up come September.


Edit:

Just like the old days, aged veterans over youth.

is Talbot really that much better than Quick at this point?

this reminds me of kickers in the NFL, all these guys are the same to me
- jimbro83

Id take Talbot over Quick everyday of the week. Quick is just terrible now.

Well one thing is for sure, this rebuild/retool is over. These aged signings have the all in now, we definitely wont be seeing and young blood injected into the line up come September.
- Brukie

it's just cheap depth signings, every one of these guys could be easily made to disappear, all of them can be buried in Hartford and the cap hit will be gone

yeah the problem is the salary cap should have been higher than it is

you change on the fly with this, because last week you were targeting this topic

you know a few of these Ranger signings were with the belief that the cap would be a lot higher by now

so they need a few 800k signings to get them through this season until hopefully they finally do the right (frank)ing thing with the cap next summer
- jimbro83

Not changing on the fly. They were not going to get a good player at 800k to fill the scoring needs. Wheeler isn't a good player. Please see charts on previous pages. Both can be true. (1 actually is.)

Id take Talbot over Quick everyday of the week. Quick is just terrible now.
- Brukie

Thank you.

Not changing on the fly. They were not going to get a good player at 800k to fill the scoring needs. Wheeler isn't a good player. Please see charts on previous pages. Both can be true. (1 actually is.)
- tomburton99

I was responding to "but that's a different problem"

you know the salary cap should be higher than it is

and you know the Rangers made three long term signings with the belief that the cap would be higher than it is right now

Thank you.
- tomburton99

oh I didnt know you love Talbot and his .898 save percentage last year

it's just cheap depth signings, every one of these guys could be easily made to disappear, all of them can be buried in Hartford and the cap hit will be gone
- jimbro83

You see things your way, I see them mine.

I still have a bit of excitement for next season. New coach, new system, hoping to get more from Laf and KK. Miller playing better defensively. More hope though with Lavy getting more from Panarin during the playoffs.

You see things your way, I see them mine.

I still have a bit of excitement for next season. New coach, new system, hoping to get more from Laf and KK. Miller playing better defensively. More hope though with Lavy getting more from Panarin during the playoffs.
- Brukie

well yeah, all that stuff is what next season is actually all about

what's annoying is you guys exaggerating the significance of the Wheeler signing

I was responding to "but that's a different problem"

you know the salary cap should be higher than it is

and you know the Rangers made three long term signings with the belief that the cap would be higher than it is right now
- jimbro83

It doesnt matter that the Cap should be higher, it isnt which is the reality of it now. Who the hell saw Covid? Doesnt matter, the Rangers have poor Cap management, thats just the way it is. All those buyouts should have been trades to get something for those players, bad asset management. Of course no one was going to give us picks for those players know we were in Cap hell.

It doesnt matter that the Cap should be higher, it isnt which is the reality of it now. Who the hell saw Covid? Doesnt matter, the Rangers have poor Cap management, thats just the way it is. All those buyouts should have been trades to get something for those players, bad asset management. Of course no one was going to give us picks for those players know we were in Cap hell.
- Brukie

bottom line, these cheap signings are just stop gaps for one season because of the current cap situation

you guys are exaggerating their significance

well yeah, all that stuff is what next season is actually all about

what's annoying is you guys exaggerating the significance of the Wheeler signing
- jimbro83

Im not against the signing, with our Cap situation, he was most likely the best choice. Its the playoffs where I think he can help.

Im not against the signing, with our Cap situation, he was most likely the best choice. Its the playoffs where I think he can help.
- Brukie

and if the season is a bust, with that cap hit, I am sure he can get a pick back

oh I didnt know you love Talbot and his .898 save percentage last year
- jimbro83

I don't but he's not worse than Quick.

Talbot Goals saved above expected last year: -1.
Quick goals saved above expected last year: -17

I don't but he's not worse than Quick.

Talbot Goals saved above expected last year: -1.
Quick goals saved above expected last year: -17
- tomburton99

great, lets talk about it all day

Not changing on the fly. They were not going to get a good player at 800k to fill the scoring needs. Wheeler isn't a good player. Please see charts on previous pages. Both can be true. (1 actually is.)
- tomburton99

Who’d you want for 800k? Put yer money where your mouth is. This guy better have the best charts in the league tho

great, lets talk about it all day
- jimbro83

If you want to, sure. Gonna get pretty repetitive. Think most can agree Quick is bad.

If you want to, sure. Gonna get pretty repetitive. Think most can agree Quick is bad.
- tomburton99

so is talbot

Who’d you want for 800k? Put yer money where your mouth is. This guy better have the best charts in the league tho
- Slimtj100

Othmann. Stick him in top 6. Laf to RW. Both better options that Wheeler.

Othmann. Stick him in top 6. Laf to RW. Both better options that Wheeler.
- tomburton99

yeah, if Othmann doesn't immediately get top 6 minutes when the season starts next fall it's all over for him

The Signings:

Wheeler, Quick, Nash: Bad.

Bonino, Belzile, Pitlick, Hollowell, Brouillard, Mackey: indifferent.

Gustafsson: Best signing they made on the day. But probably blocks Jones. So who really knows.
- tomburton99

So, what were the right moves, Tom?
I try to see your side of these arguments more than most, but I'm at a loss here and finding this particularly petty.
If these moves are all wrong, what was it that Drury was supposed to do? Please tell us. At times, you seem to lose sight of the fact that Drury has to operate in the real world, not a fantasy GM one. You can look at all the charts in the world and have statistical comparisons of every player to lace them up. But, that doesn't sign contracts and build a team. In reality, you don't always get to spurn the lesser candidates to sign all the best players in the world, as if we are the only club looking to improve.
We are rounding out the roster with players who have skill sets different from what was just shown to not work for us, under the restrictions we currently have. And it's being done in a fashion that makes it easy to move on next season if and when we have greater cap flexibility. Whine about past signings or don't, we still end up right where we are. Time to look forward.