Not sure I agree with this whole Power signing this season. Only reason would be to protect against injury with a long term contract in place, which will be a significant consideration by itself.
Why would he commit now outside of the injury factor. Why not wait until next offseason and place a bet on himself especially in view of now having a better line mate in Clifton to help improve his metrics, coupled with the increase in the Cap.
If I'm Adams I'm pushing hard to get him signed long-term.
If I'm Power/his Agent I'm not biting unless it rivals Dahlin's deal.
- IonSabres

If the thinking is Powers contract if signed right now should be paid like a top 5-10 defenseman, then what should Beniers get is signed right now?

He just won rookie of the year. Should he get top 5 center $ right now?

I dont know but these suggestions that he should demand close to what Dahlin will sign for is getting crazy.

And I freaking love Powers. Id hand him a 3 year bridge after this year. Same like we did Dahlin. Maybe up it to 7mil a year.

Then if he plays to what we expect sign him to the same contract you signed Dahlin.

By then the vibes will be crazy good and Top5GM will convince him to not ask for more than Dollhead. Im sure Adams is already “ looking into it”

32 GM’s watched Jonathan Marchessault win a Conn Smythe and let Zach Benson fall to 13th overall.

Get as many talented hockey players as you can and fit them under the cap. Something all Cup Winners have in common.

Marchessault, Pavelski, and Seth Jarvis were arguably the best players on their respective teams this post season.

Brayden Point has 2 Cup Rings and is a PPG player in the playoffs.

This argument is exhausting.

Are you good at the whole hockey thing or are you not ? Really that simple

If the thinking is Powers contract if signed right now should be paid like a top 5-10 defenseman, then what should Beniers get if signed right now?

He just won rookie of the year. Should he get top 5 center $ right now?

I dont know but these suggestions that he should demand close to what Dahlin will sign for is getting crazy.

And I freaking love Powers. Id hand him a 3 year bridge after this year. Same like we did Dahlin. Maybe up it to 7mil a year.

Then if he plays to what we expect sign him to the same contract you signed Dahlin.

By then the vibes will be crazy good and Top5GM will convince him to not ask for more than Dollhead. Im sure Adams is already “ looking into it”
- ZiggyBuff

32 GM’s watched Jonathan Marchessault win a Conn Smythe and let Zach Benson fall to 13th overall.

Get as many talented hockey players as you can and fit them under the cap. Something all Cup Winners have in common.

Marchessault, Pavelski, and Seth Jarvis were arguably the best players on their respective teams this post season.

Brayden Point has 2 Cup Rings and is a PPG player in the playoffs.

This argument is exhausting.

Are you good at the whole hockey thing or are you not ? Really that simple
- Swedish_Jesus

Except the data now disagrees. Bigger players are better if everything in terms of skill are close or equal.

This also has absolutely 0 to do with Benson.

Idk about toughness, but if I'm Owen Power, I'd be mighty tempted to name my son Max. Then he could name his kid Max Power II and his could be Max Power III like they're sequels in an action movie franchise. That's all I got

I understand that, my point was that like most hockey narratives that go against the traditional old school views, they get taken too far in the other direction.

If I could choose between a 6’6 super skilled D man who’s also hard to play against and nasty, versus a 5’10 super skilled defensemen who isn’t, I’m picking the bigger player. Because it does matter to a degree
- sbroads24

It matters at more than marginally.

32 GM’s watched Jonathan Marchessault win a Conn Smythe and let Zach Benson fall to 13th overall.

Get as many talented hockey players as you can and fit them under the cap. Something all Cup Winners have in common.

Marchessault, Pavelski, and Seth Jarvis were arguably the best players on their respective teams this post season.

Brayden Point has 2 Cup Rings and is a PPG player in the playoffs.

This argument is exhausting.

Are you good at the whole hockey thing or are you not ? Really that simple
- Swedish_Jesus

Yes I agree get as many talented players you can, maybe someone should Tell Adams that because there were better players out there then some that he brought in so far this offseason.

If the thinking is Powers contract if signed right now should be paid like a top 5-10 defenseman, then what should Beniers get is signed right now?

He just won rookie of the year. Should he get top 5 center $ right now?

I dont know but these suggestions that he should demand close to what Dahlin will sign for is getting crazy.

And I freaking love Powers. Id hand him a 3 year bridge after this year. Same like we did Dahlin. Maybe up it to 7mil a year.

Then if he plays to what we expect sign him to the same contract you signed Dahlin.

By then the vibes will be crazy good and Top5GM will convince him to not ask for more than Dollhead. Im sure Adams is already “ looking into it”
- ZiggyBuff

The same contract as Dahlin in 3 years against a $90M+ cap limit would be $11M per year, not $10M per.

Idk about toughness, but if I'm Owen Power, I'd be mighty tempted to name my son Max. Then he could name his kid Max Power II and his could be Max Power III like they're sequels in an action movie franchise. That's all I got
- Hank Balling

Be like that Skarsgard family, except I don't think Power will loose one in the jungle, who will be raised by Ape's. But back to the point.
1st son 6'4"
2nd son 6'5"
3rd son 6'6"
Buy the time the 3rd son is ready for Hockey he will have killed John Wick and be a fierce competitor on the ice.

if power signs any contract extension this summer it will be a 2 or 3 year bridge

probably in both parties best interest for that to happen

I understand that, my point was that like most hockey narratives that go against the traditional old school views, they get taken too far in the other direction.

If I could choose between a 6’6 super skilled D man who’s also hard to play against and nasty, versus a 5’10 super skilled defensemen who isn’t, I’m picking the bigger player. Because it does matter to a degree
- sbroads24

Good thing you’re around to tell us about all these false narratives that exist out there.

if power signs any contract extension this summer it will be a 2 or 3 year bridge

probably in both parties best interest for that to happen
- homiedclown

Why would he want to bridge this summer?

Why would he want to bridge this summer?
- Lunaion

He has another good year and he could really cash in, even on a bridge deal next year.

He has another good year and he could really cash in, even on a bridge deal next year.
- Buff36

possibly do the long term deal next summer as well

possibly do the long term deal next summer as well
- Lunaion

Yeah of course, just saying he has the option next year to.

Good thing you’re around to tell us about all these false narratives that exist out there.
- Hatboro_Swords

Well what's wrong with what he is saying, if the bigger guy can bring the same things to his game with more edge why wouldn't you take the bigger player. He brings more to the table.

What is “soft” exactly?
- sbroads24

Easy to play against physically.

Not worrying about keeping your head up, bumping the goalie or playing in front of the net.

I'd like to see a little grit to match 6'6+

Wait - so now he is soft?

I said I was fine that his style of play isn't like that of Scott Stevens. Nobody is Scott Stevens. He doesn't have snarl. Do Vegas fans get upset that Pietrenagelo isn't hitting people left and right? How about Dougie Hamlilton? The best all-around D that I've seen in my lifetime was Lidstrom. Was he knocking people out of games?

Better yet, what is the minimum height at which we expect our D to have snarl? Jesus H, isn't it good enough that he is a fantastic play-driving defenseman that isn't within a country mile of his ceiling?
- Slump Buster

"Fine" if power is soft according to you.

Now you care?

Similar to how Dahlin has added a nasty streak to his game that wasn't evident when he was a rookie?
- kingcong39

I saw dahlin's nasty streak in person at development camp vs mattias pekar.

Let's try and keep it real here.

Theres a difference in attitude between dahlin and power.

I saw dahlin's nasty streak in person at development camp vs mattias pekar.

Let's try and keep it real here.

Theres a difference in attitude between dahlin and power.
- Boss34

Let's, yes he showed it a Development Camp, that didn't come out on the ice for the first couple years of his career. Actually remember him being called soft his first few years cause he would get knocked of the puck. Power is just starting his career, let's see what happens when he fills out.

Well what's wrong with what he is saying, if the bigger guy can bring the same things to his game with more edge why wouldn't you take the bigger player. He brings more to the table.
- Buff36

I need to see the data that proves a player that is bigger, stronger and more skilled is better than a smaller, softer, less talented player before I will believe it.

There’s actually data suggesting that bigger players and teams are trending to be more successful.

There’s also data that bigger defenders are better.

I’d have to find the data to expand on this but I think like with most things people took the size arguments too far in one direction

Owen Power is a great example actually- a lot of people claimed he wasn’t worthy of a #1 overall pick because he was 6’6. They thought his size was the only reason scouts liked him and sort of ignored his skill.
- sbroads24

Really good post.

I think most teams like a defenseman's reach and stick length , makes it difficult for attaching players.

Power is still a defenseman 1st. He's gonna rack up the points too. His skill set is fabulous.

I need to see the data that proves a player that is bigger, stronger and more skilled is better than a smaller, softer, less talented player before I will believe it.
- Hatboro_Swords

Ryan Johnson. Bigger Stronger less skilled. Got out manned by the smaller not as strong more skilled Benson.

Skill/Talent/Speed > Strength/height

Big + talent > small + talent

Let's, yes he showed it a Development Camp, that didn't come out on the ice for the first couple years of his career. Actually remember him being called soft his first few years cause he would get knocked of the puck. Power is just starting his career, let's see what happens when he fills out.
- Buff36

Dahlin is the total all around package.

Power is going to be a good defensman and a huge point producer.

Dahlin has always played with a little edge IMO.

Power wouldnt punk anyone at camp or in the nhl.

Lets all remember the best player since Lemieux is a nasty "little" 5'11 guy