Not coming from me, a lot of the advance stats crowd would say his defensive numbers don't hold to similar players like Fox or Makar. Basically he's allowing way too many offensive chances to the opposition and not actually preventing.

Cool he got a hundred but if you want to talk about context , I can argue the other way, he was pretty much leading his team in ice time and of course a 69% offensive zone start in various situations. Not denying he's a good puck moving PP QB , but yikes he needs a reliable stay at home pairing.

Again , the criteria for winning the Norris blurs the line on what is considered a good defenseman .
- Alexzanki

So what you’re saying is you don’t understand zone start numbers.

Not coming from me, a lot of the advance stats crowd would say his defensive numbers don't hold to similar players like Fox or Makar. Basically he's allowing way too many offensive chances to the opposition and not actually preventing.

Cool he got a hundred but if you want to talk about context , I can argue the other way, he was pretty much leading his team in ice time and of course a 69% offensive zone start in various situations. Not denying he's a good puck moving PP QB , but yikes he needs a reliable stay at home pairing.

Again , the criteria for winning the Norris blurs the line on what is considered a good defenseman .
- Alexzanki

You don't need advanced stats to see that EK can't play defense.

Not coming from me, a lot of the advance stats crowd would say his defensive numbers don't hold to similar players like Fox or Makar. Basically he's allowing way too many offensive chances to the opposition and not actually preventing.

Cool he got a hundred but if you want to talk about context , I can argue the other way, he was pretty much leading his team in ice time and of course a 69% offensive zone start in various situations. Not denying he's a good puck moving PP QB , but yikes he needs a reliable stay at home pairing.

Again , the criteria for winning the Norris blurs the line on what is considered a good defenseman .
- Alexzanki

Agreed about the criteria for the Norris. If offense didn't factor in, Slavin would be the Bergeron of the Norris.

Agreed about the criteria for the Norris. If offense didn't factor in, Slavin would be the Bergeron of the Norris.
- ElbowingPenalty

The simple answer is just to create another award for "Best Offensive Defenseman", call it the Bobby Orr Trophy, and use the Norris for the "Best Overall Defenseman"

What a well thought out post. When everyone you’re referring to signed their deals they should have been able to predict this flat cap era.
- Feds91Stammer

Well s/he is a Leafs fan so...

Well s/he is a Leafs fan so...
- glove_was_stuck

Ze/Zim

Ze/Zim
- eichiefs9

In/Long/Island

In/Long/Island
- Feds91Stammer

- eichiefs9