I cannot imagine L & M saying something to Lou about trading #1 picks. It's a bizarre change for sure after all the #1's moved and the Bo trade in a very deep draft last year.
- ses111

Also, I read or heard Lou say something to the effect that draft picks offer no guarantee in the player you’d get, and if he can use the pick to get a known player, he’d do that almost every time. I think it was when he traded for Horvat.

Also, I read or heard Lou say something to the effect that draft picks offer no guarantee in the player you’d get, and if he can use the pick to get a known player, he’d do that almost every time. I think it was when he traded for Horvat.
- streaks

Sounds like Lou streaks. I'm not sure if Lou did not like DeBrincat enough to give up the #1 or if this is a new direction in terms of not giving up #1's? At least we have something to chat about.

I’m not trying to argue with you on this, but I will say JGP is a top three favorite of mine, so losing him would certainly be tough. But playing Nelson at third line making $1M more than JGP wouldn’t necessarily be a huge cost factor. And our center depth would be insanely good. Nonetheless, what’s done is done. Let’s all hope this team is better in the regular season than last, or they won’t be seeing a postseason.
- streaks

Less about the money with Nelson and more about the fact that he's probably our best forward. They can't afford to be giving him third line minutes with inferior linemates.

And given how terrible Barzal's defense is and his inability on the draw...I think we've seen the last of him playing center, barring an injury or trade.

Also, I read or heard Lou say something to the effect that draft picks offer no guarantee in the player you’d get, and if he can use the pick to get a known player, he’d do that almost every time. I think it was when he traded for Horvat.
- streaks

He's not wrong but what he's omitting from that statement is that draft picks, when they hit, are majorly-cheap and cost-controlled for years. Trading for guys on the back-end of their prime years and paying retail price for them is a one-way ticket on the express train to cap trouble.

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- eichiefs9

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- eichiefs9

🤣🤣

In my eyes, Lou trading the 1st for Horvat was him saying that "all bets were off" for the future and going for it. The line for ceasing to trade 1sts has to be drawn somewhere and it appears to be here.

DeBrincat is a good goal scorer but moving Pageau also would have left them with a hole at center and on the PK. DeBrincat plays zero defense and none of Barzal/Nelson/Horvat are going to be playing 3rd line minutes making the money they do.

I won't kill him for not ending up with DeBrincat, even if he would have brought an element that we sorely lack. But they couldn't afford DeBrincat because they've blown through their last 4 first round picks.
- eichiefs9

You do not believe any of the players received by giving up those drafts were worth it or difference makers?

You do not believe any of the players received by giving up those drafts were worth it or difference makers?
- Nfdbulldawg

That's not at all what I said

Less about the money with Nelson and more about the fact that he's probably our best forward. They can't afford to be giving him third line minutes with inferior linemates.

And given how terrible Barzal's defense is and his inability on the draw...I think we've seen the last of him playing center, barring an injury or trade.
- eichiefs9

I don't disagree on Nelson. I could see a scenario (if they had traded for D'Cat or any scoring winger) where they roll the first three lines more often, (Nelly/Engvall/Parise-Palms?), giving top 9 more minutes and less time to the fourth line.

Regarding Barzal, I read an article where he admitted to struggling with playing wing. He's so used to having free range of the ice as a center, found it difficult to stay in his lane, so to say. While he's certainly not JGP or Nelson, his defensive play has certainly improved from when Trotz took over. Will be interesting to see if Lou does eventually add a piece, or he keeps what they have and plays Barzal on wing. They're definitely going to need more production out of several players, regardless of any moves made prior to season opener.

I mean you have to stop at some point. The longer you go without adding some quality talent into the system the longer the dark ages are going to be once it becomes clear that you're not actually a contender.
- eichiefs9

Yeah sure but to spend a first round pick and our best prospect on Bo (frank)ing horvat and not a forty goal scoring winger, which has been our obvious weakness for years, is (frank)ing hysterical. As I said before that was one player worth our first. He’s young and talented enough where it makes absolute sense. If this is true, which we will never know, he’s a (frank)ing idiot.

The one time he doesn’t trade a first at the drop of a dime and it was absolutely the right move.

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- eichiefs9

Thank (frank)ing god.

Thank (frank)ing god.
- Cptmjl

Better be a young offensive minded coach.

Yeah sure but to spend a first round pick and our best prospect on Bo (frank)ing horvat and not a forty goal scoring winger, which has been our obvious weakness for years, is (frank)ing hysterical. As I said before that was one player worth our first. He’s young and talented enough where it makes absolute sense. If this is true, which we will never know, he’s a (frank)ing idiot.

The one time he doesn’t trade a first at the drop of a dime and it was absolutely the right move.
- Cptmjl

I don’t know this obviously and it’s clearly my opinion but I don’t think Debrincat was worth a first and JGP and Wahlstrom. The offer I read although no one really knows was just JGP and Wally. They prob wanted a first and Lou wouldn’t budge. I don’t think Debrincat is worth JGP, Wally and a first. But I guess we now know who’s expendable. I’m fine with giving up Wahlstrom and JGP for a 30-35 goal scorer who plays PP

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Bit of news: Brent Thompson to join the Ducks coaching staff.

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Isles in the market for a new AHL coach after what feels like 400 years
- eichiefs9

How that guy had a job that long is beyond me. I don’t follow the soundtigers but I also don’t recall hearing about them winning or coming close to winning the Calder

Thank (frank)ing god.
- Cptmjl

Brent Thompson’s phone has 31 missed calls from Garth Snow today.

How that guy had a job that long is beyond me. I don’t follow the soundtigers but I also don’t recall hearing about them winning or coming close to winning the Calder
- kindlyrick

I think Lou's son Chris is in charge of Bridge. Chris does not like to fire coaches like his dad.

How much do they (the experts) project Kane to sign for?
- Nfdbulldawg

Don’t care because I don’t want him.

I don’t know this obviously and it’s clearly my opinion but I don’t think Debrincat was worth a first and JGP and Wahlstrom. The offer I read although no one really knows was just JGP and Wally. They prob wanted a first and Lou wouldn’t budge. I don’t think Debrincat is worth JGP, Wally and a first. But I guess we now know who’s expendable. I’m fine with giving up Wahlstrom and JGP for a 30-35 goal scorer who plays PP
- kindlyrick

Debrincat scored 41 goals twice.

That's not at all what I said
- eichiefs9

I was asking for a clarification on what you meant. I was not sure.

Don’t care because I don’t want him.
- nyisles7

Kane Horvat Barzal does intrigue you at all??? Not even for a one year deal?

I don't disagree on Nelson. I could see a scenario (if they had traded for D'Cat or any scoring winger) where they roll the first three lines more often, (Nelly/Engvall/Parise-Palms?), giving top 9 more minutes and less time to the fourth line.

Regarding Barzal, I read an article where he admitted to struggling with playing wing. He's so used to having free range of the ice as a center, found it difficult to stay in his lane, so to say. While he's certainly not JGP or Nelson, his defensive play has certainly improved from when Trotz took over. Will be interesting to see if Lou does eventually add a piece, or he keeps what they have and plays Barzal on wing. They're definitely going to need more production out of several players, regardless of any moves made prior to season opener.
- streaks

I think you’ll see Barzal at Horvat’s wing next year. As much as Barzal said he struggled at wing. He was a disaster at the FO dot and defensively. He and Horvat had some decent chemistry before Barzal’s injury. Hopefully with Barzal back at 100% they will find that magic again.
We also don’t have any idea what we read in terms of Debrincat extending here and what Lou actually was willing to give up for him.
At the end of the day I think DeBrincat wanted to go home and the Isles were used to sweeten the deal and the extension.

Kane Horvat Barzal does intrigue you at all??? Not even for a one year deal?
- Nfdbulldawg

Nah, Barzal and Kane would have total possession of the puck every shift. Dancing line 2 flamingo dancers and Horvat would be spinning in the slot ready to fire and never getting a chance

JK obviously but to be honest Kane didn’t impress me at all in the POs with The Rags and he had his boy Bread with him.
I honestly think Tank is a pure shooter and fits the scoring winger the Isles need.
Just my opinion though.

Yeah sure but to spend a first round pick and our best prospect on Bo (frank)ing horvat and not a forty goal scoring winger, which has been our obvious weakness for years, is (frank)ing hysterical. As I said before that was one player worth our first. He’s young and talented enough where it makes absolute sense. If this is true, which we will never know, he’s a (frank)ing idiot.

The one time he doesn’t trade a first at the drop of a dime and it was absolutely the right move.
- Cptmjl

Yeah, it seems like an awfully strange time to find religion on that issue...like opting for a salad because it's healthy, but only doing so immediately after you just housed an entire pizza pie.

My guess is the information here, as is often the case when it comes to Lou, is either not entirely accurate or completely made up.

I think you’ll see Barzal at Horvat’s wing next year. As much as Barzal said he struggled at wing. He was a disaster at the FO dot and defensively. He and Horvat had some decent chemistry before Barzal’s injury. Hopefully with Barzal back at 100% they will find that magic again.
We also don’t have any idea what we read in terms of Debrincat extending here and what Lou actually was willing to give up for him.
At the end of the day I think DeBrincat wanted to go home and the Isles were used to sweeten the deal and the extension.
- nyisles7

I don't think there's much of an option other than playing 13 on wing w 14.