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eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jul 13 @ 3:29 PM ET
Any interest in Victor Olofsson, LW/RW, 28G's /40 pts last year. Would have been tied for 5th on Isles. 1 year left on contract, will hold $1.25m...net Cap Hit of $3.5m.
Make an offer.

- IonSabres

Cal Clutterbuck and a lottery-protected 3rd round pick in 2027
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 13 @ 3:30 PM ET
Any interest in Victor Olofsson, LW/RW, 28G's /40 pts last year. Would have been tied for 5th on Isles. 1 year left on contract, will hold $1.25m...net Cap Hit of $3.5m.
Make an offer.

- IonSabres

Was interested in him a few yrs back as a rental before you resigned him purely for his pp production for the playoffs. I don’t see a use for him now.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 13 @ 3:34 PM ET
To me, it seems the idea of Barzal being more suited to wing than center has only taken off because the team put itself in a position where it doesn't have much choice other than to play him at wing. If you put him on every other team in the league, I bet he draws into the lineup at center rather than wing on almost all of them.

I get he's not the best defensive center, but, really, he's not the worst, either. Not to the point of being disqualified from the position. Plus, his ability to drive possession means he spends less time in his own zone than most other centers anyway. Just my opinion, but I believe that if you're going to have a player like Barzal on the roster at all, the objective should be to have the puck on his stick as often as possible when he's on the ice, which is easier to do if he's at center.

I also think of it this way: If you gave me the Isles roster with the first line center role blank, and my choices to fill it were Barzal or Horvat, and I'd have to do without the player I don't pick, I'd absolutely choose Barzal. He adds so much of what the Isles don't otherwise have...skill, speed, vision, creativity...rather than more of what they already have at center with Nelson. Can Barzal still bring all of that at wing as much and as consistently as he has at center? I don't know. It's not a gamble the team needed to take when Barzal was already far more of an asset than a liability and there were plenty of other issues to address.

But, hey, if it turns out that he's the best and most dynamic winger this team's had since Ziggy, I'll forget all about what he's done at center and be happy to say I was wrong!

- UIF

Yeah sure if he puts up forty goals a couple of years then great. Certainly don’t dislike Barzal but I doubt he comes close to the production level of an elite goal scoring winger and that’s exactly the contract he was signed too.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jul 13 @ 3:46 PM ET
Yeah sure if he puts up forty goals a couple of years then great. Certainly don’t dislike Barzal but I doubt he comes close to the production level of an elite goal scoring winger and that’s exactly the contract he was signed too.
- Cptmjl


Barzal has a good shot, but he is more of a playmaker. Barzal can use a Ziggy Palffy or even Steve Thomas. If was fun watching Pierre with Thomas.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 13 @ 4:25 PM ET
Barzal has a good shot, but he is more of a playmaker. Barzal can use a Ziggy Palffy or even Steve Thomas. If was fun watching Pierre with Thomas.
- ses111

He has a ridiculous shot. Wished he used it more.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jul 13 @ 4:28 PM ET
He has a ridiculous shot. Wished he used it more.
- Cptmjl


It’s just bizarre that most of the Islanders want to pass instead of shoot.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 13 @ 4:48 PM ET
Was interested in him a few yrs back as a rental before you resigned him purely for his pp production for the playoffs. I don’t see a use for him now.
- Cptmjl

It is a curious take for a team that scored below the league average and missed the PO by 2 points. Olofsson would have been tied for 2nd on the Isles last season.
The PP Specialist he earned earlier in his career when he had 55% of his G's on the PP has no reversed to a EV Specialist with 75% of his 28 G's (21) scored at EV now...been that way for last 2 seasons.
PeteM
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 07.10.2007

Jul 13 @ 5:54 PM ET
Barzal is overpaid like most players. If Barzal is such a problem, Lou could have traded him. Islanders traded Patty L back in the day. Barzal has flaws to his game, but he is also surrounded with slow players and players who do not like to shoot. As we saw in the Canes series, this team is easy to defend against. The NHL from Lou's Devils team is dead. That team also had two Hall of Fame dmen and a Hall of Fame goalie along with a number of very solid two-way forwards. Islanders do not have close to the same roster.

Bo is a nice player, but the timing of the trade was not right, and the need was not at Center.

I'm just not sure what players the Islanders can trade for prime picks if they struggle this year.

- ses111



LaFontaine was in a salary dispute and was holding out. True, Maloney was the GM, but I doubt he would have traded him otherwise. Bit of a difference.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 13 @ 6:22 PM ET
It is a curious take for a team that scored below the league average and missed the PO by 2 points. Olofsson would have been tied for 2nd on the Isles last season.
The PP Specialist he earned earlier in his career when he had 55% of his G's on the PP has no reversed to a EV Specialist with 75% of his 28 G's (21) scored at EV now...been that way for last 2 seasons.

- IonSabres

We missed the playoffs once in the last five seasons. Made it last season. Not really sure what you’re referring too? I don’t find it curious at all. If he’s so wonderful why would you want to part with him? Like I said three years ago when we made the conference finals two consecutive seasons that extra pp production could’ve made a difference. As a rental. Now for what he costs rather invest in a more complete player which he is not which is exactly why you’re willing to trade him…
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 13 @ 6:49 PM ET
LaFontaine was in a salary dispute and was holding out. True, Maloney was the GM, but I doubt he would have traded him otherwise. Bit of a difference.
- PeteM

It’s incredible the consecutive terrible GM’s the islanders have had over the years. Maloney was arguably the worst. I know people will dispute that but when you factor in the circumstances surrounding his tenure he did a lot of damage to what was a really good team. He was so bad it looked like what he was doing was on purpose and it wasn’t ineptitude.
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Jul 13 @ 7:33 PM ET
It’s incredible the consecutive terrible GM’s the islanders have had over the years. Maloney was arguably the worst. I know people will dispute that but when you factor in the circumstances surrounding his tenure he did a lot of damage to what was a really good team. He was so bad it looked like what he was doing was on purpose and it wasn’t ineptitude.
- Cptmjl


Milbury gets all the grief, and for good reason, but I agree...I think Maloney is the worst GM they've ever had.
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Jul 13 @ 8:09 PM ET
Milbury gets all the grief, and for good reason, but I agree...I think Maloney is the worst GM they've ever had.
- UIF

Been saying that for years. Milbury gets my vote for 2nd worst, and Snow is a close 3rd.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jul 13 @ 8:15 PM ET
LaFontaine was in a salary dispute and was holding out. True, Maloney was the GM, but I doubt he would have traded him otherwise. Bit of a difference.
- PeteM


No question a salary dispute and Patty was not happy with the direction of the team as well. Islanders did pretty well with getting back Pierre and others. It just seems a lot of unhappiness with Barzal from some and he is by far the most talented forward.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Magical Lou, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 13 @ 8:25 PM ET
To me, it seems the idea of Barzal being more suited to wing than center has only taken off because the team put itself in a position where it doesn't have much choice other than to play him at wing. If you put him on every other team in the league, I bet he draws into the lineup at center rather than wing on almost all of them.

I get he's not the best defensive center, but, really, he's not the worst, either. Not to the point of being disqualified from the position. Plus, his ability to drive possession means he spends less time in his own zone than most other centers anyway. Just my opinion, but I believe that if you're going to have a player like Barzal on the roster at all, the objective should be to have the puck on his stick as often as possible when he's on the ice, which is easier to do if he's at center.

I also think of it this way: If you gave me the Isles roster with the first line center role blank, and my choices to fill it were Barzal or Horvat, and I'd have to do without the player I don't pick, I'd absolutely choose Barzal. He adds so much of what the Isles don't otherwise have...skill, speed, vision, creativity...rather than more of what they already have at center with Nelson. Can Barzal still bring all of that at wing as much and as consistently as he has at center? I don't know. It's not a gamble the team needed to take when Barzal was already far more of an asset than a liability and there were plenty of other issues to address.

But, hey, if it turns out that he's the best and most dynamic winger this team's had since Ziggy, I'll forget all about what he's done at center and be happy to say I was wrong!

- UIF


He played wing at WHC. When he came he I know I said I would like to see him on the wing because of his size, FO% and defense or lack there of. I don’t think I was the only one on here who said it.
It definitely was popular and it may not work or he may have a 100 point year. Won’t know if you don’t try.
That said when the forwards are in the O zone it really doesn’t matter if you’re on wing or center. It really makes a different without the puck and d zone.
I hope Bo and Barzal find some magic because they showed glimpses of it when Horvat first came here.
I think they both will have big years.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Magical Lou, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 13 @ 8:33 PM ET
Been saying that for years. Milbury gets my vote for 2nd worst, and Snow is a close 3rd.
- JohnScammo



Milbury also had owners who were trying to cut the payroll when it was at 20 million.
Once it came time for a young player to get paid after his ELC Milbury had to trade them vs spend money.
That said when that wasn’t the case when Charles came in he made some bad deals.
Snow had money that was never a problem he just sucked. He’s my #2 after Maloney.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 14 @ 11:22 AM ET
Been saying that for years. Milbury gets my vote for 2nd worst, and Snow is a close 3rd.
- JohnScammo

Agreed, I have the same list in the same order.
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jul 14 @ 11:42 AM ET
It is a curious take for a team that scored below the league average and missed the PO by 2 points. Olofsson would have been tied for 2nd on the Isles last season.
The PP Specialist he earned earlier in his career when he had 55% of his G's on the PP has no reversed to a EV Specialist with 75% of his 28 G's (21) scored at EV now...been that way for last 2 seasons.

- IonSabres



eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jul 14 @ 11:49 AM ET
It is a curious take for a team that scored below the league average and missed the PO by 2 points. Olofsson would have been tied for 2nd on the Isles last season.
The PP Specialist he earned earlier in his career when he had 55% of his G's on the PP has no reversed to a EV Specialist with 75% of his 28 G's (21) scored at EV now...been that way for last 2 seasons.

- IonSabres

Jokes aside, he'd be a good add but that's just another contract they're going to have to sign next offseason. As it stands now, they're only projected to have about $5M in cap space. That will obviously rise when the cap does, but I'm not sure he's the player they want to commit a sizeable chunk of that space to.
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Jul 14 @ 11:57 AM ET
Milbury also had owners who were trying to cut the payroll when it was at 20 million.
Once it came time for a young player to get paid after his ELC Milbury had to trade them vs spend money.
That said when that wasn’t the case when Charles came in he made some bad deals.
Snow had money that was never a problem he just sucked. He’s my #2 after Maloney.

- nyisles7

Agreed that Milbury was handicapped by his owners in the 1990s. However, Milbury's bad deals were throughout his tenure as GM. He loved to trade, and he was consistently fleeced by the other GMs. With all of his multitude of trades, I can only remember 2 trades of Milbury's that worked out well: obtaining Mike Peca for a couple of journeymen; and obtaining Jason Blake for a late draft pick. (Of course, after making the playoffs for 3 straight seasons, Milbury then traded Peca for the forgettable Mike York.........and started missing the playoffs again.) Also, just to look at results, NONE of Milbury's teams ever won a playoff round.

As I think you recognize, when Wang arrived, he gave Milbury a blank check to build a winner.......and Milbury had no idea how. By the time Snow arrived as GM, Wang had grown a bit tighter with his money.

I'm not saying Snow was much better than Milbury. He just sucked a little less.

It must be the middle of July.
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Jul 14 @ 11:58 AM ET

- Vukota


Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 14 @ 12:08 PM ET
Agreed that Milbury was handicapped by his owners in the 1990s. However, Milbury's bad deals were throughout his tenure as GM. He loved to trade, and he was consistently fleeced by the other GMs. With all of his multitude of trades, I can only remember 2 trades of Milbury's that worked out well: obtaining Mike Peca for a couple of journeymen; and obtaining Jason Blake for a late draft pick. (Of course, after making the playoffs for 3 straight seasons, Milbury then traded Peca for the forgettable Mike York.........and started missing the playoffs again.) Also, just to look at results, NONE of Milbury's teams ever won a playoff round.

As I think you recognize, when Wang arrived, he gave Milbury a blank check to build a winner.......and Milbury had no idea how. By the time Snow arrived as GM, Wang had grown a bit tighter with his money.

I'm not saying Snow was much better than Milbury. He just sucked a little less.

It must be the middle of July.

- JohnScammo

Pretty sure we hit this subject every offseason.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 14 @ 12:09 PM ET

- Vukota

Yep
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jul 14 @ 12:21 PM ET
DeAngelo on Waivers. I wonder if they would be interested if he clears and becomes a UFA. Obviously, they would need to clear some space but is he worth it? I wouldn't mind having him, but I don't think its financially possible
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 14 @ 12:41 PM ET
DeAngelo on Waivers. I wonder if they would be interested if he clears and becomes a UFA. Obviously, they would need to clear some space but is he worth it? I wouldn't mind having him, but I don't think its financially possible
- Vukota

I would be all for it but I couldn’t see lameriello being on board after what happened with Wilde.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jul 14 @ 1:26 PM ET
DeAngelo on Waivers. I wonder if they would be interested if he clears and becomes a UFA. Obviously, they would need to clear some space but is he worth it? I wouldn't mind having him, but I don't think its financially possible
- Vukota

I don't even know who they could clear out to make the space. Johnston can be buried but, barring another move, it seems like they're going to need to do that to sign Wahlstrom

Buyout windows are over, so they'd have to trade someone.
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