No hate at all, but I feel it was time for a change at GM. Bill Torrey’s time came and went as GM and it’s the same for Lou and everyone else. Looking at the Islanders, they lost twice to Tampa and the Canes. They lost not because of the goalies and defense. They lost because of the offense. It’s been clear for the longest time the offense was not good enough to get to a Cup. You need a good offense to give you some easy wins during the regular season and you need to finish high enough in the standings you have some home ice advantage. It’s very difficult if the team needs to struggle just to make the playoffs.
- ses111

I don’t think believing it was time for a new voice is a far out there thought and I also don’t believe anyone who thinks keeping Lou is the right path is nuts. Like I said I agree with little he has done the last year but that doesn’t mean anything really at this point. See what the roster looks like in October and we’ll have a better idea what his plan is by December…. We know he isn’t going anywhere so I’ll just hope for the best from him.

I don’t think believing it was time for a new voice is a far out there thought and I also don’t believe anyone who thinks keeping Lou is the right path is nuts. Like I said I agree with little he has done the last year but that doesn’t mean anything really at this point. See what the roster looks like in October and we’ll have a better idea what his plan is by December…. We know he isn’t going anywhere so I’ll just hope for the best from him.
- Cptmjl

It's not like fans have an agenda against Lou. Bill Torrey took plenty of heat for the lousy drafts after the Cup years. Sports is a what have you done for me lately business. Some fans are just happy the Islanders are not as bad as the Garth years and that is great. Just do not expect all fans to be happy with just not being lousy.

It always seems like the Islanders are half pregnant. As all of know, you either are or aren't. The Islanders have always seemed to struggle to become pregnant. Why they cannot find that mixture is beyond me.

It is kinda of like trying to find the pieces for the power play. It continually eludes them.

Everyone seems to be happy once they get here...The problem is pulling in the right player to push them over the top...
- Nfdbulldawg

The two ECF were very nice but that is not the goal and the team failing back the last few years after those runs should not be the goal.


It's very difficult when you need to rely so heavily on the goalies and defense. Many other teams in the playoffs can play defense just as well. You need the offensive talent that can score against tighter checking defenses.

It always seems like the Islanders are half pregnant. As all of know, you either are or aren't. The Islanders have always seemed to struggle to become pregnant. Why they cannot find that mixture is beyond me.

It is kinda of like trying to find the pieces for the power play. It continually eludes them.

Everyone seems to be happy once they get here...The problem is pulling in the right player to push them over the top...
- Nfdbulldawg

Lou was and has been exactly what this team needed at the time and I totally agree with your assessment. He has brought respect and success to a 20 year NHL laughing stock of a team. If you can even call them a team back then the way they were run top to bottom.
If you remember when Lou was hired there were many nah sayers calling for a younger more “Today NHL Ready” GM.
Then when he made his initial trades and signings the typical nah sayers were all over Lou and The Islanders were doomed and would suck.
Comical that now certain posters on here were happy when Lou was hired. There was hundreds of pages of trashing everything Lou did. (Which some on here still do.) Only to have the success from season one.
Remember the Horvat trade now sucks. Until Barzal and him have a great season this year.
Can’t make this poop up!

It's not like fans have an agenda against Lou. Bill Torrey took plenty of heat for the lousy drafts after the Cup years. Sports is a what have you done for me lately business. Some fans are just happy the Islanders are not as bad as the Garth years and that is great. Just do not expect all fans to be happy with just not being lousy.
- ses111

Fans were calling for torrey’s head pretty much his entire time as our GM.

The mentally challenged have arrived. Stick around if you want some nonsensical revisionist history debates. Enjoy.

Fans were calling for torrey’s head pretty much his entire time as our GM.

The mentally challenged have arrived. Stick around if you want some nonsensical revisionist history debates. Enjoy.
- Cptmjl

I'm sure many wanted Bill out before that 1st Cup. I remember the Islanders getting heat from hockey people because they could not get over the top for a while and after the Butch trade the dynasty happened. Most GM's get heat. Islander fans got their hopes up with those two ECF trips. Most fans are not going to be happy with the team failing back the last few years and especially when it's not an up-and-coming team with a lot of time and young talent. You talk to Lou privately and you think Lou is going to say he is just happy with the two ECF trips and everything else is gravy? The Yankees have not won the series in a while, but they have been a winning team and Cashman is getting a lot of heat. It's part of the job right or wrong. If the Pats in football started going into the tank, Belichick will start getting heat as well. You are already hearing he cannot win without Brady. For some fans to be so upset because a certain GM is getting heat is very strange to me.

What is the consensus regarding Nylander? Do you think Lou gets him? OR do you think it will be someone else.

I think it is 60-40 in favor of Lou getting Nylander...

Happy Rainy Sunday...

trying to figure out what we would give up. Im guessing Dobson and a 2nd. Toronto probably wants a first. Who do we move after that to free up$

trying to figure out what we would give up. Im guessing Dobson and a 2nd. Toronto probably wants a first. Who do we move after that to free up$
- LItransplant44

The question is would you be ok with Lou giving up Dobson for nylander? It would have to be something else bcs we would need to unload salary.

trying to figure out what we would give up. Im guessing Dobson and a 2nd. Toronto probably wants a first. Who do we move after that to free up$
- LItransplant44

Including Dobson in the deal is counter productive. It will weaken a thin defensive core. Also, not sure how much if any salary Leafs can take back. I thinking picks and prospects...

Leafs per cap friendly.

PRECTED CAP HIT Tooltip : $92,331,450
PROJECTED LTIR USED Tooltip : $0
PROJECTED CAP SPACE Tooltip : $0 (-$8,831,450 Tooltip)
PRE-SEASON LTIR CANDIDATE ESTIMATES:
CAP HIT OF LTIR CANDIDATES Tooltip : $5,625,000
CAP SPACE WITH LTIR CANDIDATES Tooltip : $0 (-$3,206,450)

Including Dobson in the deal is counter productive. It will weaken a thin defensive core. Also, not sure how much if any salary Leafs can take back. I thinking picks and prospects...

Leafs per cap friendly.

PRECTED CAP HIT Tooltip : $92,331,450
PROJECTED LTIR USED Tooltip : $0
PROJECTED CAP SPACE Tooltip : $0 (-$8,831,450 Tooltip)
PRE-SEASON LTIR CANDIDATE ESTIMATES:
CAP HIT OF LTIR CANDIDATES Tooltip : $5,625,000
CAP SPACE WITH LTIR CANDIDATES Tooltip : $0 (-$3,206,450)
- Nfdbulldawg

unless Lou moves major pieces, (don't think he'll do) they're not in on Nylander.
If they move Johnston to a bathroom attendant, they have money for Wahlstrom and a 23 man roster.
Nylander is just under $7M this year which means it's not just "trade pageau and Wally" type of deal. That solves nothing for TOR who would be ridding $6.9M but adding about $6.2. Nylander also wants big money next year which NYI also can't afford unless multiple pieces go out.

Toronto fans "want" a top 4 D man. I'm still undecided how much leverage Toronto actually has. They need to move salary but Nylander has good value. I can't see them pulling a Leddy or Boychuk move and just dumping him for futures.

ONLY way I see this working is a 3 team where you get a team that needs our pieces like a Boston, who badly would need a center of Bergeron and Kreicji go. But even then, Isles would still need to move another piece to fit him and then need more players coming back.

This is a no go for Lou.

unless Lou moves major pieces, (don't think he'll do) they're not in on Nylander.
If they move Johnston to a bathroom attendant, they have money for Wahlstrom and a 23 man roster.
Nylander is just under $7M this year which means it's not just "trade pageau and Wally" type of deal. That solves nothing for TOR who would be ridding $6.9M but adding about $6.2. Nylander also wants big money next year which NYI also can't afford unless multiple pieces go out.

Toronto fans "want" a top 4 D man. I'm still undecided how much leverage Toronto actually has. They need to move salary but Nylander has good value. I can't see them pulling a Leddy or Boychuk move and just dumping him for futures.

ONLY way I see this working is a 3 team where you get a team that needs our pieces like a Boston, who badly would need a center of Bergeron and Kreicji go. But even then, Isles would still need to move another piece to fit him and then need more players coming back.

This is a no go for Lou.
- brodydog29

Bingo
Cap restraints would restrict such a move and make next season an absolute cluster (frank) with what he’s reported to be looking for.

If Lou moved Dobson it would be another huge mistake.

See Toews, Devon

Agreed I doubt he does anything with nylander unless he moves Dobson. I can’t see him doing that and if he does I will officially be on the side of putting him out to pasture.

it does not seem like there is an outcome that makes us able to realistically compete for a cup now. The team as it stands will run out of gas if they make the playoffs. Scoring has been a huge problem for a long time. It seems like the Big name scorer should have been the priority before Pelech and Engvall. I would have rather gone into the season with Nylander on the team and the before mentioned 2 not. Then i would have tried to make trades with Pageau, Clutterbuck etc for younger faster unproven guys and picks. Take a chance on a third and fourth line player or work someone in from within the farm system.

trying to figure out what we would give up. Im guessing Dobson and a 2nd. Toronto probably wants a first. Who do we move after that to free up$
- LItransplant44

Dobson under contract for 2 more seasons @$4MM and an RFA after that is worth more than Nylander at almost $7MM with only 1 season left before becoming a UFA. And then you're willing to include a 2nd round pick, too??? As someone else noted, the Isles are already thin at D. The only way this deal could happen is if Lou saw something bad about Dobson's game that he thinks can't be fixed.

My buddy who’s a Bs fan was saying he read JGP & Wally for Debrusk. I don’t know what Debrusk makes, and what picks would need to be sent or received to balance, but it’s a different spin for discussion. Sick of the BS nylander rumors.

My buddy who’s a Bs fan was saying he read JGP & Wally for Debrusk. I don’t know what Debrusk makes, and what picks would need to be sent or received to balance, but it’s a different spin for discussion. Sick of the BS nylander rumors.
- streaks

That one has been floating around for a little while. Not really sure how I feel about that trade. Small part of me is still hoping Wahlstrom gets it together. Not sure if it’ll happen, probably not, but also losing JGP will be impactful and I’m not sure if debrusk is the right player to take a chance on either. He’s still young enough that there may be more to his game but it’s not the defined, high end scorer this team needs.

Dobson under contract for 2 more seasons @$4MM and an RFA after that is worth more than Nylander at almost $7MM with only 1 season left before becoming a UFA. And then you're willing to include a 2nd round pick, too??? As someone else noted, the Isles are already thin at D. The only way this deal could happen is if Lou saw something bad about Dobson's game that he thinks can't be fixed.
- JohnScammo

We don’t have another player that can bring what Dobson does. I say that while acknowledging him not having the best last season. I can’t see Lou trading him and if he did it would be a monumental mistake imo.

it does not seem like there is an outcome that makes us able to realistically compete for a cup now. The team as it stands will run out of gas if they make the playoffs. Scoring has been a huge problem for a long time. It seems like the Big name scorer should have been the priority before Pelech and Engvall. I would have rather gone into the season with Nylander on the team and the before mentioned 2 not. Then i would have tried to make trades with Pageau, Clutterbuck etc for younger faster unproven guys and picks. Take a chance on a third and fourth line player or work someone in from within the farm system.
- LItransplant44

It's going to be very difficult at this point to add the piece needed for the Islanders to be in the Cup conversions. I understand Covid and the Cap not going up. In a Cap world, you still need to try to fill the 3rd and forth lines with cheaper talent so you have the money to spend on the top 6. It's not good the Islanders had to give out 7-year contracts to Mayfield and Engvall when other teams did not have to give the same length this offseason.

Dobson under contract for 2 more seasons @$4MM and an RFA after that is worth more than Nylander at almost $7MM with only 1 season left before becoming a UFA. And then you're willing to include a 2nd round pick, too??? As someone else noted, the Isles are already thin at D. The only way this deal could happen is if Lou saw something bad about Dobson's game that he thinks can't be fixed.
- JohnScammo

Moving Dobson does not seem like a good idea.

That one has been floating around for a little while. Not really sure how I feel about that trade. Small part of me is still hoping Wahlstrom gets it together. Not sure if it’ll happen, probably not, but also losing JGP will be impactful and I’m not sure if debrusk is the right player to take a chance on either. He’s still young enough that there may be more to his game but it’s not the defined, high end scorer this team needs.
- Cptmjl

We’re all hoping Wally puts it together. That’s exactly what I said when my buddy asked my opinion of him. Debrusk is tough and likely a 30/30 guy, is what he said. I’d be open to taking a chance on him. Probably not going to happen.

If I haven’t already said it, JGP is prob my favorite player with everything he brings. My favorite two thoughts of him are him jokingly “challenging” I think it was Chara and his ping pong pic from Toronto during covid playoffs. Guys definitely a locker room leader.

We’re all hoping Wally puts it together. That’s exactly what I said when my buddy asked my opinion of him. Debrusk is tough and likely a 30/30 guy, is what he said. I’d be open to taking a chance on him. Probably not going to happen.

If I haven’t already said it, JGP is prob my favorite player with everything he brings. My favorite two thoughts of him are him jokingly “challenging” I think it was Chara and his ping pong pic from Toronto during covid playoffs. Guys definitely a locker room leader.
- streaks

Im a JGP fan also. Trading him would be a risk imo. For the right player I’d do it just not sure if debrusk is that player. Pageau being traded would obviously push Barzal back to center. Not sure what kind of effect that would have on Nelson’s or anyone else’s game.

Dobson shouldn’t even be a thought when it comes to tradable assets. There’s literally no one to replace what he does unless you’re hoping aho takes a giant leap in his development. Even if he did it would still leave a hole in our transition game for a team that doesn’t really transition well to begin with.

JGP currently trending on Twitter…

JGP currently trending on Twitter…
- potvin05

Stefen Rosner
@stefen_rosner
There's a rumor going around that the #Isles and #NHLBruins are in talks regarding DeBrusk/Pageau.

Haven't heard a thing. Pretty sure it's speculation because if Bergeron and Krejci retire, Bruins need a center.

Can't see Isles moving Pageau unless it's for an elite scorer.

Stefen Rosner
@stefen_rosner
There's a rumor going around that the #Isles and #NHLBruins are in talks regarding DeBrusk/Pageau.

Haven't heard a thing. Pretty sure it's speculation because if Bergeron and Krejci retire, Bruins need a center.

Can't see Isles moving Pageau unless it's for an elite scorer.
- eichiefs9

Welp, Wahlstrom is signed now…

JGP checks a lot of boxes for this team. I like DeBrusk, he’s tough, he can score, he’s prob top-6 at this point, but I think too many people (on Twitter) just look at stats and not the bigger picture.

Welp, Wahlstrom is signed now…

JGP checks a lot of boxes for this team. I like DeBrusk, he’s tough, he can score, he’s prob top-6 at this point, but I think too many people (on Twitter) just look at stats and not the bigger picture.
- potvin05

One year deal for wally.
Love JGP and everything he brings but I think his PK minutes can be covered by others on the team and his PP minutes can be absorbed by DeBrusk. It does leave a void at Center meaning Barzal probably moves back or Engvail gets a shot.
Don’t know how I would feel losing JGP but DeBrusk does bring that power forward scoring wing that the team needs.
I guess it comes down to is DeBrusks offense more valuable to the team then JGP’s game.
Tough decision for Lou to make if it’s true.
I would lean to making the deal at this point. His addition adds a lot of options on the top 6