6'4" to 6'7" : Hedman, Power, Burns, Seider, Nurse, K.Miller, Dobson, Parayko
6' 3" : Dahlin, Bouchard, Trouba, Pesce, Slavin, Pietrangelo, Carlson
6' 2" : Pulock, Guhle, Fowler, Werenski, Theodore
6' 1" : McAvoy, Heiskanen, Reilly, Sergachev
I am sure I have missed a few....
All 195 lbs and over.
- bennythehat

Thing is when you have one of these guys that happens to have a bit of a mean streak in him, it makes the guys that are 5'9 play like they're 6'2".

Would love it if the Jets could add a guy like Nikita Zadorov. Not an all-star by any stretch but he'll clear the front of the net, and make the other guys braver! Monkey see, monkey do!

Thing is when you have one of these guys that happens to have a bit of a mean streak in him, it makes the guys that are 5'9 play like they're 6'2".

Would love it if the Jets could add a guy like Nikita Zadorov. Not an all-star by any stretch but he'll clear the front of the net, and make the other guys braver! Monkey see, monkey do!
- grahamzky

people spend far too much time arguing about size, there are very bad small and big guys. focus on talent, and talent alone

Manson is on the same tier of capability as Schmidt. Fine to have, but overpaid, and not a real difference maker
- Rexypoo

I was wrong, was Makar and Toews on the ice for the final minute (and both were working their asses off). Manson left the ice with just over a minute on the clock.

Interesting that Manson was in the slot creating netfront presence when Avs tied it up and joined the rush on the game winner. Schmidt could play a similar role but the only guy who brings the physicality reliably is Dillon. The point was that Girard hasn't proven he can withstand the rigours of the playoffs and the Avs won the biggest games without him using more of Manson, and the Johnsons instead.

people spend far too much time arguing about size, there are very bad small and big guys. focus on talent, and talent alone
- Ross77

a problem with that is that most of the talent stats are measured throughout the regular season against league average. The bottom 1/2 of the league is dropped off for the playoffs, intensity ramps up due to gravity of the games and familiarity with opponent, and the game changes. The focus should be on who gets the job done in the big games and big moments in the games.

I’m thinking Rexy has a certain soft spot for small players, which is fine.
Enstrom and Dano come to mind.

It’s fine, I don’t think anybody isn’t saying Dmen at a smaller size can’t be important, dominant some nights.

For example Montreal had Lane Hutson on the way at 5’8” and by all accounts trending in the right direction.

Bigger D cores tend to win.

Next years Stanley Cup winner has about a 90%+ chance of being 6’2” 200lb’ish average based on last almost 25 years

Have skilled smaller D sure but you better have the big boys

6'4" to 6'7" : Hedman, Power, Burns, Seider, Nurse, K.Miller, Dobson, Parayko
6' 3" : Dahlin, Bouchard, Trouba, Pesce, Slavin, Pietrangelo, Carlson
6' 2" : Pulock, Guhle, Fowler, Werenski, Theodore
6' 1" : McAvoy, Heiskanen, Reilly, Sergachev
I am sure I have missed a few....
All 195 lbs and over.
- bennythehat

Hedman, Sieder, Dahlin, Bouchard, Slavin, Theodore, McAvoy, and Miro are the only ones
I would consider “top” level guys.
Worth noting that only Hedman, Mo, and McAvoy are particularly physical in that group. Dahlin will kill you, actually, add him.

Everyone else is either aging out (Burns, Pietrangelo, Parayko), too young to call it yet (Power and Miller aren’t top pairing yet), or just never had it at that level at all (Nurse, Werenski, Fowler, Trouba).

Also wtf is Guhle in there for. Bad debut, low ceiling, and terrible place for development

I was wrong, was Makar and Toews on the ice for the final minute (and both were working their asses off). Manson left the ice with just over a minute on the clock.

Interesting that Manson was in the slot creating netfront presence when Avs tied it up and joined the rush on the game winner. Schmidt could play a similar role but the only guy who brings the physicality reliably is Dillon. The point was that Girard hasn't proven he can withstand the rigours of the playoffs and the Avs won the biggest games without him using more of Manson, and the Johnsons instead.
- 2.0

You’re describing Manson and Johnson as passengers, which is correct.

You’re also ignoring Samberg, easily our most effective big man. This makes me wonder if you’re paying attention

You’re describing Manson and Johnson as passengers, which is correct.

You’re also ignoring Samberg, easily our most effective big man. This makes me wonder if you’re paying attention
- Rexypoo

We'll see about Samberg, I hope he continues to exceed expectations but I'm not ready to bestow him with lofty titles such as 'most effective big man' yet. Lets keep the bar low and let him play some more.

Not passengers, they played important minutes in the biggest games and in Manson's case was involved in both goals in a cup clinching game, including an assist. Obviously Makar and Toews were the stars. If Makar played for Vegas he would have got big minutes too and by that standard would have made Pieterangelo 'a passenger'.

Other than Victor Hedman, all of the top 30 defenceman in the league are either 6’ or under, or under 200lbs
- Rexypoo

Let's have your list of the Top 30 !
I'd like the same opportunity to pick your list apart.

You’re describing Manson and Johnson as passengers, which is correct.

You’re also ignoring Samberg, easily our most effective big man. This makes me wonder if you’re paying attention
- Rexypoo

Makes you wonder if he’s paying attention? That people are incredibly wrong if they aren’t like minded? Lol

I’m sure it’s completely by accident but you have a tendency to come off as aloof, almost arrogant but always close to rude.

Definitive opinions are fine but I think you need to have some grace with others on the board.

If you’re the smartest person in every room you walk into, which I suspect you think you are, it may be less frustrating to not comment?
You know not deal with the draconian knuckle draggers like myself and many other fans.

Then again I could be completely wrong and misunderstand all of this, so there is that.

Makes you wonder if he’s paying attention? That people are incredibly wrong if they aren’t like minded? Lol

I’m sure it’s completely by accident but you have a tendency to come off as aloof, almost arrogant but always close to rude.

Definitive opinions are fine but I think you need to have some grace with others on the board.

If you’re the smartest person in every room you walk into, which I suspect you think you are, it may be less frustrating to not comment?
You know not deal with the draconian knuckle draggers like myself and many other fans.

Then again I could be completely wrong and misunderstand all of this, so there is that.
- jjonah

I am for sh*tpost. My opinions are as presented, but I am definitely intentionally annoying about it. Aloof but overzealous.

As for the “paying attention” bit, that wasn’t meant as dismissive or derogatory. Just a poke.

I also don’t think I’m the smartest person in the room. I just find it annoying how little of the wide world of hockey info has actually been explored by a lot of fans. Odds are if it’s said on TSN or ESPN, it’s probably nonsense. Is my experience.

BUT everything about Samberg, from the numbers to visible performance to everything you can see or find about last season, suggests he’s already a top 4 D with very high level defence.

Let's have your list of the Top 30 !
I'd like the same opportunity to pick your list apart.
- bennythehat

I’m going to get bit in the ass by my own exaggerating. But I’ll get on this

I am for sh*tpost. My opinions are as presented, but I am definitely intentionally annoying about it. Aloof but overzealous.

As for the “paying attention” bit, that wasn’t meant as dismissive or derogatory. Just a poke.

I also don’t think I’m the smartest person in the room. I just find it annoying how little of the wide world of hockey info has actually been explored by a lot of fans. Odds are if it’s said on TSN or ESPN, it’s probably nonsense. Is my experience.

BUT everything about Samberg, from the numbers to visible performance to everything you can see or find about last season, suggests he’s already a top 4 D with very high level defence.
- Rexypoo

👍

The discussion about Samberg, a #2 pick in 2017, who is certainly trending to be an full time middle pairing Dman, which we can all agree that was a good 2nd rd pick by Chevalseasonoff.

For sh!ts and giggles, here are the Jets 2nd rounders since 2011

2011- NP (NP=No pick traded)
2012 - Lukas Sutter
2013 - Nic Petan
2014 - NP
2015 - Jansen Harkins
2016 - NP NOTE: Stanley was the Jets "2nd" 1st rd pic at 18.... (Tage Thompson went at #26) Hindsight is 20/20
2017 - Samberg
2018 - Gus
2019 - Simond Lumdmark
2020 - Daniel Toregerson
2021 - Chibrikov
2022 - Solomonso
2023 - NP

I’m going to get bit in the ass by my own exaggerating. But I’ll get on this
- Rexypoo

It won't be with my teeth....I can promise you that.... LOL

The discussion about Samberg, a #2 pick in 2017, who is certainly trending to be an full time middle pairing Dman, which we can all agree that was a good 2nd rd pick by Chevalseasonoff.

For sh!ts and giggles, here are the Jets 2nd rounders since 2011

2011- NP (NP=No pick traded)
2012 - Lukas Sutter
2013 - Nic Petan
2014 - NP
2015 - Jansen Harkins
2016 - NP NOTE: Stanley was the Jets "2nd" 1st rd pic at 18.... (Tage Thompson went at #26) Hindsight is 20/20
2017 - Samberg
2018 - Gus
2019 - Simond Lumdmark
2020 - Daniel Toregerson
2021 - Chibrikov
2022 - Solomonso
2023 - NP
- Old Flopper

This is a great post! Chevelallseasonoff finally hit one. This is drafting and development in action. I actually think the Jets might be better served to trade away all picks outside the first round as they don't really hit on any of them.

Oh yeah during summertime, we actually call him, Chevellallsummeroff.

The discussion about Samberg, a #2 pick in 2017, who is certainly trending to be an full time middle pairing Dman, which we can all agree that was a good 2nd rd pick by Chevalseasonoff.

For sh!ts and giggles, here are the Jets 2nd rounders since 2011

2011- NP (NP=No pick traded)
2012 - Lukas Sutter
2013 - Nic Petan
2014 - NP
2015 - Jansen Harkins
2016 - NP NOTE: Stanley was the Jets "2nd" 1st rd pic at 18.... (Tage Thompson went at #26) Hindsight is 20/20
2017 - Samberg
2018 - Gus
2019 - Simond Lumdmark
2020 - Daniel Toregerson
2021 - Chibrikov
2022 - Solomonso
2023 - NP
- Old Flopper

Only approx 17% of NHL 2nd round picks end up playing more than 99 games. That statistical figure is an average . Obviously, stacked good NHL teams have trouble fitting younger players onto their roster while weak teams offer them more playing time. The Jets have not had a lot of room for 2nd round picks in the past.

My gut feeling though is that after bombs like Nik Petan and Sutter , since 2018 its possible that over 50% of the Jets' second picks will play 99 or more games. If so then Chevy would be beating the odds by a large margin.


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Let's have your list of the Top 30 !
I'd like the same opportunity to pick your list apart.
- bennythehat

I'd bet you can count the top 30 under 6 ft tall on one hand. The obvious names might be Makar and Quinn Hughes. That being said today's Dmen are much more mobile as the game has become faster, which means they tend to weigh less. My guess might be that more than 50% of the top 30 list are under 200 lbs.

Of course, Rexy's top 30 list will be a complete farce in order to save face on an otherwise blatant exaggeration.

I'd bet you can count the top 30 under 6 ft tall on one hand. The obvious names might be Makar and Quinn Hughes. That being said today's Dmen are much more mobile as the game has become faster, which means they tend to weigh less. My guess might be that more than 50% of the top 30 list are under 200 lbs.

Of course, Rexy's top 30 list will be a complete farce in order to save face on an otherwise blatant exaggeration.
- jetsnation

Wouldn’t it be more of a farce if I committed to what I reckon you’d expect out of me?

I’m gonna be far more reasonable than you think

Wouldn’t it be more of a farce if I committed to what I reckon you’d expect out of me?

I’m gonna be far more reasonable than you think
- Rexypoo

Yep, in billiards they would say your snookered. I'd suggest you lean hard on those players who are exactly 6 ft b/c most over 6'2" will weigh more than 200lbs

In no particular order: my top 30:
(***=do it again, ion trust like that. **=aging. *=too young to be cemented)
1. Miro
2. Spurgeon
3. EK
4. Hedman
5. Morrissey***
6. Fox
7. McAvoy
8. Dahlin
9. Slavin
10. Makar
11. Toews
12. Mo
13. Josi
14. Dougie
15. Ekholm**
16. Chabot*
17. Letang**
18. Dunn
19. Chychrun
20. Hughes
21. Theodore
22. Bouchard*
23. Montour***
24. Pelech
25. Pietrangelo**
26. Dobson*
27. Doughty**
28. Lindholm***
29. Weegar
30. Werenski
31. Enstrom


This was harder than I expected.

In no particular order: my top 30:
(***=do it again, ion trust like that. **=aging. *=too young to be cemented)
1. Miro
2. Spurgeon
3. EK
4. Hedman
5. Morrissey***
6. Fox
7. McAvoy
8. Dahlin
9. Slavin
10. Makar
11. Toews
12. Mo
13. Josi
14. Dougie
15. Ekholm**
16. Chabot*
17. Letang**
18. Dunn
19. Hedman
20. Hughes
21. Theodore
22. Bouchard*
23. Montour***
24. Pelech
25. Pietrangelo**
26. Dobson*
27. Doughty**
28. Lindholm***
29. Weegar
30. Werenski
31. Enstrom


This was harder than I expected.
- Rexypoo

Who's #12?

Who's #12?
- JetFuel

plays center with Larry and Curly?

Who's #12?
- JetFuel

The angry honey badger in Detroit. The one Chairot tanked for half a season

In no particular order: my top 30:
(***=do it again, ion trust like that. **=aging. *=too young to be cemented)
1. Miro
2. Spurgeon
3. EK
4. Hedman
5. Morrissey***
6. Fox
7. McAvoy
8. Dahlin
9. Slavin
10. Makar
11. Toews
12. Mo
13. Josi
14. Dougie
15. Ekholm**
16. Chabot*
17. Letang**
18. Dunn
19. Hedman
20. Hughes
21. Theodore
22. Bouchard*
23. Montour***
24. Pelech
25. Pietrangelo**
26. Dobson*
27. Doughty**
28. Lindholm***
29. Weegar
30. Werenski
31. Enstrom


This was harder than I expected.
- Rexypoo

The meat of the list is fine . For starters....Hedman on there twice..As for quality....Where is Sergachev and Carlson ??? Spurgeon....seriously ....he wouldn't make my top 50. Neither would Pelech. I'd rather pick Luke Hughes over either of them in a heartbeat..... Chychrun, M.Rielly ?

The bigger problem is lots of them are more than 6 ft tall and weigh over 200 lbs which was the whole point of the exercise.