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Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jul 18 @ 8:03 AM ET
Oh look, some cute graphs found online that have zero context. As a mathematician I will give you a little lesson on how stats can be misused to fool people. First of all, you need to ask where this data came from? What country, what area of said country, which hospital(s)? Also ask, how did they determine vaccinated vs non-vaccinated? Most health units did not count anyone vaccinated if they received the vax within 2-4 weeks. So when the health units raided old age homes and vaccinated everyone, if any got covid in the next 2-4 weeks, that was recorded as non-vaccinated. Hmmm... I wonder if the jab had any influence on them getting the virus? hmmm... but we will record all these cases as non-vaccinated.

- rSole

Oh look, a simpleton who can't figure out how URLs work.

These are the official Ontario numbers.

Published under the watch of the Ford Conservative government.



Also, look at the label on the vertical axis. The numbers are per 1 million persons. So the numbers themselves are meaningless as there could have only been 5 people in hospital "with" Covid. But they use a multiplier to make it parts per 1 million. Thus exaggerating the total actual numbers. And again, they counted those in hospital regardless if it was Covid that brought them into the hospital. You broke your arm, they will test you at the door. Bam, you now count as having Covid and in the hospital. Also look at the last graph, the scale is completely different from the first two graphs to exaggerate the differences. This is called skewing the graph.

Anyhow, I am done trying to convince the unconvincible. My suggestion is to start using your own observations(it is called critical thinking). I don't know a single non-vaccinated person that had to go to the hospital because of Covid. I did know some already vaccinated people though and one who ended up dying unfortunately.


The jabs were a failure. And many people got fooled into taking them. I have friends now who regret taking them. I do not know a single person who regrets not getting them. I made the right choice. I also don't have to worry about any future side effects. I don't have heart issues that so many vaccinated people have experienced.

Bottom line is, make your choice and mind your own damn business what other peoples choice was. There is not a single person on this planet that can argue I made the wrong choice.

Can the refs on here just start banning the clowns that keep bringing up this topic please?!!!

- rSole

Oh, the incredible irony.

Does a "mathematician" think that anecdotal evidence of a few friends is better than a government body tracking the health outcomes of 15 million people?

But no, I get it. You've "done your research" and you are smarter than the scientific and medical communities.

What ever helps you sleep in your dreary, sad, pathetic life.

TTFN.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jul 18 @ 8:07 AM ET
*sigh*
GalacticStone
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Supercharged engine powered by high octane butthurt
Joined: 01.29.2013

Jul 18 @ 8:08 AM ET
Oh look, a simpleton who can't figure out how URLs work.

These are the official Ontario numbers.

Published under the watch of the Ford Conservative government.



Oh, the incredible irony.

Does a "mathematician" think that anecdotal evidence of a few friends is better than a government body tracking the health outcomes of 15 million people?

But no, I get it. You've "done your research" and you are smarter than the scientific and medical communities.

What ever helps you sleep in your dreary, sad, pathetic life.

TTFN.

- Atomic Wedgie


Wasting your time Wedgie. He already knows better about everything.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 18 @ 8:26 AM ET
Oh look, a simpleton who can't figure out how URLs work.

These are the official Ontario numbers.

Published under the watch of the Ford Conservative government.



Oh, the incredible irony.

Does a "mathematician" think that anecdotal evidence of a few friends is better than a government body tracking the health outcomes of 15 million people?

But no, I get it. You've "done your research" and you are smarter than the scientific and medical communities.

What ever helps you sleep in your dreary, sad, pathetic life.

TTFN.

- Atomic Wedgie


when I am able to confirm my beliefs by cherry picking a few examples...thats critical thinking, not confirmation bias

*please note, this is a hockey post I swear
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Space for Rent
Joined: 08.30.2006

Jul 18 @ 8:28 AM ET
*sigh*
- AdamFrench

I know.
I forgot to put my mother's laundry in the dryer last night

ok I'll go do it now.
Skalapy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm sick of your "I play real , NC
Joined: 07.11.2006

Jul 18 @ 8:41 AM ET
word to the wise; if you’re having trouble going number 2, get yourself a nespresso and drink about 2 or 3 triples a morning👍

you’ll be back on your throne 4 or 5 times a day like you’re supposed to 👊🏿
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jul 18 @ 8:47 AM ET
word to the wise; if you’re having trouble going number 2, get yourself a nespresso and drink about 2 or 3 triples a morning👍

you’ll be back on your throne 4 or 5 times a day like you’re supposed to 👊🏿

- Skalapy

senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 18 @ 8:50 AM ET
Blue Jays talk

Blullpen has been good

Chris Black
@DownToBlack
Blue Jays Bullpen - MLB Ranks This Season

ERA 4th
FIP 6th
K% 2nd
BB% 3rd
WHIP 3rd
Stuff+ 3rd
Chase Rate 1st
Whiff Rate 4th


% of 2023 save opportunities that have been blown:

21% TOR
22% SF
23% BOS
26% PHI
28% MIL
29% CIN
32% LAD
33% ATL
34% NYY PIT
35% HOU
36% MIA NYM
37% LAA
38% BAL CHC SEA
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jul 18 @ 8:50 AM ET
Blue Jays talk

Blullpen has been good

- senstroll

What's a jay blue?
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jul 18 @ 8:52 AM ET
Agree not a fit there. Getting a 90 -100 point RW entering the prime of his career does not make sense for a rebuilding team that is paying $5.2M for garbage like Kevin Hayes and DeAngelo to not play for them.
- winsix


Agreed, it would be foolish to trade a 40 goal point per game player AND a young defenseman on a budget deal for a soon to be 30 year old when his new overpriced contract kicks in.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: “Give me Point, Cirelli and Paul all day against anybody.” Mr. Cooper , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 18 @ 8:54 AM ET
I know.
I forgot to put my mother's laundry in the dryer last night

ok I'll go do it now.

- dmnted

You don’t need to. I have friends who didn’t change their mothers’ laundry and not a single one of them regrets it.

I am an appliance repairman.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 18 @ 8:55 AM ET
What's a jay blue?
- AdamFrench


no Idea

Blue Jays per game numbers through July 17

Runs
2022 - 4.60
2023 - 4.56

ERA
2022 - 3.89
2023 - 3.81
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jul 18 @ 9:01 AM ET
Agreed, it would be foolish to trade a 40 goal point per game player AND a young defenseman on a budget deal for a soon to be 30 year old when his new overpriced contract kicks in.
- Glak18

You should send this to Danny before he does it.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Jul 18 @ 9:24 AM ET
when I am able to confirm my beliefs by cherry picking a few examples...thats critical thinking, not confirmation bias

*please note, this is a hockey post I swear

- senstroll


. . .and THAT is why Justin Holl sucks.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 18 @ 9:26 AM ET
I would interpret the quiet coming the Leafs as meaning they have pretty well decided on how this is going to unfold. Maybe the next few moves are a lot less complicated than some are trying to make it out to be.
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Jul 18 @ 9:26 AM ET
. . .and THAT is why Justin Holl sucks.
- Monkeypunk

Yeah, THAT’S why….🙄

What a joke

3.4m😆
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Jul 18 @ 9:28 AM ET
I'd do this trade, but will Philly really extend Styles for $70 over 7 years?
Would he also agree to go to Philly?

but yeah I'd do it, the trade that is.

- dmnted

Only in Toronto would willie get 10m, thanks to dubas overpaying marner and matthews. But the Tree wont pay that.
Any other team in the league, its probably 8.7 to 9.5m per.
I dont see any team paying him 10m per.
Imo
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Jul 18 @ 9:29 AM ET
Only in Toronto would willie get 10m, thanks to dubas overpaying marner and matthews. But the Tree wont pay that.
Any other team in the league, its probably 8.7 to 9.5m per.
I dont see any team paying him 10m per.
Imo

- Fakepartofme

Nashville Seattle or Anaheim
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Jul 18 @ 9:29 AM ET
Wasting your time Wedgie. He already knows better about everything.
- GalacticStone

To be fair, none of us know what the hell we are talking about around these parts (including hockey).
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 18 @ 9:33 AM ET
Wasting your time Wedgie. He already knows better about everything.
- GalacticStone


Of all the things that never happened, that guy being a mathematician never happened the hardest.
.HOHO.
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Its better to let people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and confirm their suspicions, NS
Joined: 07.05.2010

Jul 18 @ 9:36 AM ET
Oh look, a simpleton who can't figure out how URLs work.

These are the official Ontario numbers.

Published under the watch of the Ford Conservative government.



Oh, the incredible irony.

Does a "mathematician" think that anecdotal evidence of a few friends is better than a government body tracking the health outcomes of 15 million people?

But no, I get it. You've "done your research" and you are smarter than the scientific and medical communities.

What ever helps you sleep in your dreary, sad, pathetic life.

TTFN.

- Atomic Wedgie


No poop eh,
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jul 18 @ 9:42 AM ET
You should send this to Danny before he does it.
- AdamFrench


Already faxed. I sent him a message to his pager too.
drexel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Corn Pop was a bad dude, AB
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 18 @ 9:43 AM ET
Oh look, a simpleton who can't figure out how URLs work.

These are the official Ontario numbers.

Published under the watch of the Ford Conservative government.



Oh, the incredible irony.

Does a "mathematician" think that anecdotal evidence of a few friends is better than a government body tracking the health outcomes of 15 million people?

But no, I get it. You've "done your research" and you are smarter than the scientific and medical communities.

What ever helps you sleep in your dreary, sad, pathetic life.

TTFN.

- Atomic Wedgie

I wonder how much $ Ford made off his sticker company during Covid?
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jul 18 @ 9:45 AM ET
Hello,

This is HOCKEYBUZZ and we only want to talk hockey and laugh at how many times we need to join Christian/Muslim Mingle.

Your Friend,


Sadam Hussein.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Jul 18 @ 9:46 AM ET
Only in Toronto would willie get 10m, thanks to dubas overpaying marner and matthews. But the Tree wont pay that.
Any other team in the league, its probably 8.7 to 9.5m per.
I dont see any team paying him 10m per.
Imo

- Fakepartofme


A team shouldn't, but there are markets that probably would have to. There are markets that have to overpay to attract their talent - Winnipeg and Arizona come immediately to mind - one for the bitter winter, and the other for the bitter atmosphere. To some extent Alberta has similar problems, but so would Ottawa as all three cities can get pretty horrible in winter. Then you have the cities which might need to overpay to attract talent because of where they are in their rebuild - Chicago and Anaheim come to mind, and because Chicago just landed Bedard, it might not even be the case.

But some of those markets might take a player's market value and have to inflate it to attract the player.

If you have $10m to spare, is Nylander the guy you plop down the cash for? Based on available names, he might be one of the better options around coming into UFA next year. His only direct competition would be Aho and I highly suspect Carolina resigns him. $10m for Willy is more of an act of desperation, but it's also a reflection of the escalating cap. If he puts up 40 goals again this year, he probably crosses that $10m threshold.
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