You just named centers and the chart clearly shows "wingers"
- DirtyDan

marnier

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What is this based on?

I mean, where is Bergeron? Where is Barkov? Couturier? Marner is slowly turning into a defensive dynamo. Where are all the good defensive players?
- RhinoFan

Most of those players referenced are Center’s.

That was a list made by Andy & Rono. Czech twins who have put out a lot of content over the years

Via Natural Stats Trick:

Best relative xGA/60 last 2 seasons (Via NST)

1) Girgensons (-0.61)
2) Bergeron (-0.52)
3) Perry (-0.49)
4) Reinhart (-0.44)
5) Martin (-0.38)
6) Okposo (-0.37)

RIP Johnny Hardwick, the voice of Dale from King of the Hill. They were just about to reboot that series, too.

It's a damn shame, I'll tell you hwat

You got me there. Marner is a winger though and a Selke finalist...methinks this list needs some massive improvement to be taken seriously.
- RhinoFan

Most of those players referenced are Center’s.

That was a list made by Andy & Rono. Czech twins who have put out a lot of content over the years
- Swedish_Jesus

Yeah my mistake on that. However, Marner and Tkachuk not being on the list...does that not automatically mean this is a throw away?

RIP Johnny Hardwick, the voice of Dale from King of the Hill. They were just about to reboot that series, too.

It's a damn shame, I'll tell you hwat
- jcragcrumple

RIP

- homiedclown

Sorry to make a mountain out of a mole hill, I was just floored by that list. Stone...okay, makes sense...then just ridiculousness commences.

RIP Johnny Hardwick, the voice of Dale from King of the Hill. They were just about to reboot that series, too.

It's a damn shame, I'll tell you hwat
- jcragcrumple

stop posting bad news here



he was 64










my favorite dale moment

Sorry to make a mountain out of a mole hill, I was just floored by that list. Stone...okay, makes sense...then just ridiculousness commences.
- RhinoFan

Im pretty sure the reasons were stated as to what they based their list off. I remember seeing that list at the beginning of the off season.

Im kinda floored you mentioned a guy that hasnt played in 2 years

Via Natural Stats Trick:

Best relative xGA/60 last 2 seasons (Via NST)

1) Girgensons (-0.61)
2) Bergeron (-0.52)
3) Perry (-0.49)
4) Reinhart (-0.44)
5) Martin (-0.38)
6) Okposo (-0.37)
- Swedish_Jesus

I have significantly less trust in xGA as of this moment lol. Is that Matt Martin I spy at 5th? I mean, Okposo is 6th, so we can understand the stat is seriously flawed.

Sorry to make a mountain out of a mole hill, I was just floored by that list. Stone...okay, makes sense...then just ridiculousness commences.
- RhinoFan

stevie wonder made the list as fast was left off of it and anyone who saw the canes play know he is a top 10 defensive winger

Regardless of publication you use, the guy is an analytics darling defensively.



He is the scapegoat for a decade of losing, but in the right role he helps you win games.

Regardless of publication you use, the guy is an analytics darling defensively.



He is the scapegoat for a decade of losing, but in the right role he helps you win games.
- Swedish_Jesus

Hes a great scapegoat. I've had the pleasure of using him a # of times.

Regardless of publication you use, the guy is an analytics darling defensively.



He is the scapegoat for a decade of losing, but in the right role he helps you win games.
- Swedish_Jesus

if he wins games, how many playoffs games has he played?

Hes a great scapegoat. I've had the pleasure of using him a # of times.
- DirtyDan

I have had the displeasure of watching him try to create an offensive play a few times

if he wins games, how many playoffs games has he played?
- homiedclown

Eichel had 0 before this year. Now has a cup.

1 player doesnt make a team, let alone a pk unit.

if he wins games, how many playoffs games has he played?
- homiedclown

lol this is such a disingenuous response

Regardless of publication you use, the guy is an analytics darling defensively.



He is the scapegoat for a decade of losing, but in the right role he helps you win games.
- Swedish_Jesus

He's actually the longest tenured member of the losing streak I believe. I'd rather have a guy that can stay upright for 45 seconds at a time, but c'est la vie, we'll trot him back out there.

Eichel had 0 before this year. Now has a cup.

1 player doesnt make a team, let alone a pk unit.
- DirtyDan

He certainly hasn't helped it though either...

He's actually the longest tenured member of the losing streak I believe. I'd rather have a guy that can stay upright for 45 seconds at a time, but c'est la vie, we'll trot him back out there.
- RhinoFan

Hes been upright more than Sean Couts.. who you just mentioned 5 posts ago, that he should be top 10 defensive player while not playing in 2 years.......

lol this is such a disingenuous response
- Michael Ghofrani

i mean girgens is never on the ice when we have our goalie pulled and allow an empty netter and also has never had a plus season in plus/minus


yet we hear how great he is on D

He certainly hasn't helped it though either...
- RhinoFan

I don't think thats true.

Bad D, bad goalies, no real system have more to do with the lack of a good pk.

i mean girgens is never on the ice when we have our goalie pulled and allow an empty netter and also has never had a plus season in plus/minus


yet we hear how great he is on D
- homiedclown

His offense is better than your posts when you go trolling.

Hes been upright more than Sean Couts.. who you just mentioned 5 posts ago, that he should be top 10 defensive player while not playing in 2 years.......
- DirtyDan