So the 8yrs $80mm rumor was garbage? What terms have you heard?

I would drag this out until Christmas if I am Dahlin.
- washedup20

I don't think it's garbage at all. The AAV is around that but it's possible it comes out bigger. 10.25, 10.5. Don't know.

Also a lot of players don't like to negotiate in-season.

I heard max term. 10M range.

I don't think it's garbage at all. The AAV is around that but it's possible it comes out bigger. 10.25, 10.5. Don't know.

Also a lot of players don't like to negotiate in-season.

I heard max term. 10M range.
- TheSabresTaco

Eichel signed that and was gone 2 years later. Sounds like another slow approach by Adams.

Eichel signed that and was gone 2 years later. Sounds like another slow approach by Adams.
- washedup20

two different players, two different people, two different teams. The only similarity is two high priced, max term players.

Well, I'm not ranting on Adam's just yet, since there is still time to change the roster and the fact the trade market is at a full stop.

However, if this what we end up with walking into the new season, then I'll be pretty vocal about the wasting of another season.
They need to get into the Playoffs, period...IMO of course.
- IonSabres

What team do you think we push out of the playoffs to make it in?

Boston - No
Carolina - No
Toronto - No
NJ - No
NYR - No
Tampa - Maybe
Florida- No
NYI - Maybe

Then you've got to be better than Detroit (maybe) Pitt (maybe) and Ottawa (I don't think so)

two different players, two different people, two different teams. The only similarity is two high priced, max term players.
- TheSabresTaco

Maybe, Eichel signed based off prospect potential and him being the guy.

If Dahlin signs, it will be based off prospect/youth potential and him being the guy.

Both rosters have the same holes and both teams are managed similarly.

Not as black and white as you make it out to be. Dahlin's agent should be preaching patience.

Maybe, Eichel signed based off prospect potential and him being the guy.

If Dahlin signs, it will be based off prospect/youth potential and him being the guy.

Both rosters have the same holes and both teams are managed similarly.

Not as black and white as you make it out to be. Dahlin's agent should be preaching patience.
- washedup20

Not that he would do it, but Dahlin has the option of waiting the whole season out, accepting his $7.2M qualifying offer, and becoming an unrestricted free agent after the 24-25 season.

Not that he would do it, but Dahlin has the option of waiting the whole season out, accepting his $7.2M qualifying offer, and becoming an unrestricted free agent after the 24-25 season.
- kingcong39

He might be a great person who loves the boys, but who wants to spend the prime of their career in hopesville, voluntarily?

From a business stand point it's in his interest to slow roll this.

Maybe, Eichel signed based off prospect potential and him being the guy.

If Dahlin signs, it will be based off prospect/youth potential and him being the guy.

Both rosters have the same holes and both teams are managed similarly.

Not as black and white as you make it out to be. Dahlin's agent should be preaching patience.
- washedup20

These guys project years into the future. They don't look at what's happening 'right now' when signing 8 year deals. Considering the 'young potential' was 1 win out of the playoffs is probably a positive sign for him.

Both rosters and the team management was extremely different. I don't know how you justify that opinion.

As far as what Dahlin's agent should be preaching? We don't know because we're not agents. Part of the consideration, which players absolutely consider, is taking care of their business in a timely fashion to allow their management to allocate monies to improve the team down the line.

He certainly could wait till next summer. Or not. He won't, but he could I guess.

Not that he would do it, but Dahlin has the option of waiting the whole season out, accepting his $7.2M qualifying offer, and becoming an unrestricted free agent after the 24-25 season.
- kingcong39

correct

If anyone would like to bet that Dahlin resigns long term here, I am sure he will and will match nearly any bet within reason.

He's not going anywhere.

i understand the pessimistic fan view, which is whatever, but the guys on that team see themselves quite differently than what is portrayed on this board.

These guys project years into the future. They don't look at what's happening 'right now' when signing 8 year deals. Considering the 'young potential' was 1 win out of the playoffs is probably a positive sign for him.

Both rosters and the team management was extremely different. I don't know how you justify that opinion.

As far as what Dahlin's agent should be preaching? We don't know because we're not agents. Part of the consideration, which players absolutely consider, is taking care of their business in a timely fashion to allow their management to allocate monies to improve the team down the line.

He certainly could wait till next summer. Or not. He won't, but he could I guess.
- TheSabresTaco

Terry/Adams slow rolled Eichel into such a shiiit show it was the headline of the hockey world for months. That 100% goes into consideration when negotiating with Buffalo.

While I agree with you, that must be earned.

Terry/Adams slow rolled Eichel into such a shiiit show it was the headline of the hockey world for months. That 100% goes into consideration when negotiating with Buffalo.

While I agree with you, that must be earned.
- washedup20

what did Adams have to do with Eichel's signing?

i understand the pessimistic fan view, which is whatever, but the guys on that team see themselves quite differently than what is portrayed on this board.
- TheSabresTaco

So they have the same thought process like every other player on every other team, which should be the case.

I think I can successfully develop a waterfront skyscraper, that doesn't mean the bank will fund me.

As far as earning, the early extensions for 3 core players have already been completed. I would assume the trend will continue for the team's vital pieces.

Which still casts questions on Mittelstadt and if he's seen as core or complimentary, or he simply hasn't proved his worth.

Why does Samuelsson get a big extension but not Mittelstadt? Open question.

what did Adams have to do with Eichel's signing?
- TheSabresTaco

I'm talking about Eichel going to Adams to request a trade, it taking over a year and how poorly it was managed. Adams was GM at the time the team smeared the best player the organization has had in over a decade.

Dahlin and his agent would be foolish to ignore that.

So they have the same thought process like every other player on every other team, which should be the case.

I think I can successfully develop a waterfront skyscraper, that doesn't mean the bank will fund me.
- washedup20

I don't think every team is as optimistic as the players in Buffalo. Just my opinion.

As far as earning, the early extensions for 3 core players have already been completed. I would assume the trend will continue for the team's vital pieces.

Which still casts questions on Mittelstadt and if he's seen as core or complimentary, or he simply hasn't proved his worth.

Why does Samuelsson get a big extension but not Mittelstadt? Open question.
- TheSabresTaco

Sammy was a position of need (Defense) and he is a few years younger, so they bet on potential. As was shown in the graph about player ages, Mitts should've reached his potential already at his age. He was a late bloomer, late bloomers do tend to get shafted.

I don't think every team is as optimistic as the players in Buffalo. Just my opinion.
- TheSabresTaco

I’m being facetious when I say this…..but….


Does this fall in line with how Top5GM is revolutionizing the game of hockey?

I'm talking about Eichel going to Adams to request a trade, it taking over a year and how poorly it was managed. Adams was GM at the time the team smeared the best player the organization has had in over a decade.

Dahlin and his agent would be foolish to ignore that.
- washedup20

oh right. Perhaps. If you're objectively looking at it, this was an unhappy, selfish player (well prior to injury) demanding a surgery that has never been performed on an NHL player.

The Sabres had an extremely valuable asset to manage, and when it came to risk/reward, the strategy was finding another team to take on the risk (of surgery), which was in all likelihood moderate at best.

It was not Adams' decision to create that scenario. Jack didn't want to be here before, during and after the whole ordeal. Adams said fine, we'll trade you. The org didn't go out on a limb to accommodate him with the requested, moderately risky surgery considering the risk/reward wasn't there.

So while Adams can be "blamed" for waiting until the November after the March veiled trade request, he did what was right for the organization. Get the best assets in return and send him to a team that would be happy to perform the surgery for an elite talent.

I can promise you. Promise you. That if the player was Rasmus Dahlin, the Sabres (medical team/Pegulas) would have allowed the procedure.

Is it still early in the off-season?
Asking for a friend.
- ImThatGuy

Most NHL teams take a few weeks off during the end of July and into august.

I’m being facetious when I say this…..but….


Does this fall in line with how Top5GM is revolutionizing the game of hockey?
- ImThatGuy

No, Top 3 is more accurate.

Broads sent me a PM notifying me of his changed opinion. He wanted me to let you guys know.

I'm talking about Eichel going to Adams to request a trade, it taking over a year and how poorly it was managed. Adams was GM at the time the team smeared the best player the organization has had in over a decade.

Dahlin and his agent would be foolish to ignore that.
- washedup20

Adams told Eichel to give him 1 more year / 1 shot to turn the team around.

That is why Adams went out to get Eric staal, Taylor Hall, and whom ever else we signed.

He obviously failed and completely rebuilt

Sammy was a position of need (Defense) and he is a few years younger, so they bet on potential. As was shown in the graph about player ages, Mitts should've reached his potential already at his age. He was a late bloomer, late bloomers do tend to get shafted.
- QuinnFan

Yeah, that's a thought. Finding young defensive fixtures is apparently not the easiest thing in the world so they probably wanted to make sure they had him locked in to build around the big 3.

Adams told Eichel to give him 1 more year / 1 shot to turn the team around.

That is why Adams went out to get Eric staal, Taylor Hall, and whom ever else we signed.

He obviously failed and completely rebuilt
- Sabretooth9

"we'll bring in the best coach and not declining players too"