When their contracts were signed, Bryson had shown to be a valuable depth defenseman and Olofsson an average complimentary forward. So they were rewarded with short term, show me more contracts.

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- TheSabresTaco

they got 2 years ea from adams

ullmark, reinhart got 1 year


montour didn't even get an offer

While being economic, efficient and effective

Retaining salary on Olo and signing Tatar does not meet the threshold
- Hank Balling

Nor does the okposo, girgs or EJ contracts

they got 2 years ea from adams

ullmark, reinhart got 1 year


montour didn't even get an offer
- homiedclown

yes, sometimes the GM and the player don't agree.

I’m sorry but at no point did Bryson show he was a valuable depth defenseman

yes, sometimes the GM and the player don't agree.
- TheSabresTaco

and sometimes the gm is poor at evaluating talent

like putting tage on the block for a 5th round pick

When their contracts were signed, Bryson had shown to be a valuable depth defenseman and Olofsson an average complimentary forward. So they were rewarded with short term, show me more contracts.

The Sabres needed a veteran (professionally) goalie and Comrie had solid underlying numbers on an average Winnipeg team. So he got the Bryson and Olofsson treatment.

Same could be said of Lyubushkin, Sabres wanted to get tougher and he had solid defensive numbers.

Last season showed us that all of these players are inconsistent at best and will be pushed out before the 24-25 season begins.

Signing two defensemen, publicly insinuating a trade of Olofsson and no endorsements for Comrie, these mistakes, if you want to call them that, are being pushed away. Every team makes them, and it's important that the swings you make on players like this aren't albatross contracts.

Erik Johnson is whatever but Clifton clearly pushes the depth. Good orgs push their depth when necessary. The Bills do it all the time. They had Shakir and McKenzie but went out for Harty and Sherfield anyways.

I don't mind mistakes if they're small, like the aforementioned players, but he needs to start taking swings at real players instead of fringe guesses.

We're at a different tier of team building now as opposed to last year, and these little adds like the ones we're trying to push out should no longer be acceptable.

That goes for the fourth line, too.
- TheSabresTaco

Excellent post,

I understand the approach, I think the assessment and signing of those players was wrong from the beginning, however they are short term problems. The issue that was exposed last season, that is now a compounding issue, is the bolded above.

Unable to deviate from the plan, inaction created an opportunity cost for the team last season, this will be acknowledged by agents and players. The plan remains the same for the upcoming season with 24/25 as the season to begin to compete.

The justification for keeping these players is that the team plans to begin trying in 24/25, that should be unacceptable.

I’m sorry but at no point did Bryson show he was a valuable depth defenseman
- Jet Jaguar BD

your best post this week

they got 2 years ea from adams

ullmark, reinhart got 1 year


montour didn't even get an offer
- homiedclown

This is most likely a result of Terry being involved and the absolute embarrassment of an organization during that time window.

Desperate to be in the league players took what was in front of them, confident skilled players wanted out.

I have no idea if this is true, but this is my theory.

Terry bought the team thinking this would be a fun exciting project and didn’t really understand how tough it is to be an owner of a sports franchise, especially an NHL franchise.

With the recent struggles of the team and the attendance, I think he’s seen just how difficult it can be and it’s almost becoming too much for him now that Kim is out of the picture.

It’s why I could see the “economical” approach being taken.

Again, just a hypothesis

Agai
- ImThatGuy

Makes sense

and sometimes the gm is poor at evaluating talent

like putting tage on the block for a 5th round pick
- homiedclown

Do they struggle with evaluating players, making decisions, or making moves?

Probably a combination, but a lot of it feels like the making moves part. Some of these moves feel like their 7th options, or they completely run through all the options.

Quinton Morris is having a really good Camp. And Davis is going to be a handful if he can stay Healthy.

Do they struggle with evaluating players, making decisions, or making moves?

Probably a combination, but a lot of it feels like the making moves part. Some of these moves feel like their 7th options, or they completely run through all the options.
- Lunaion

Making decisions and moves. They seem to like to kick the decision can down the road.

Do they struggle with evaluating players, making decisions, or making moves?

Probably a combination, but a lot of it feels like the making moves part. Some of these moves feel like their 7th options, or they completely run through all the options.
- Lunaion

Also, how much of it is an over fondness of 'their guys', and being unwilling to overpay for a big move on a quality, impactful player.

The willingness to lose a deal but still push the team forward by improving the team (i.e. the experts saying the team overpaid in a trade for a player, but the player in return makes a large, positive impact on the team going forward).

Making decisions and moves. They seem to like to kick the decision can down the road.
- Buff36

They also only seem comfortable dipping their toe in the water instead of being willing to make the leap and jump into the pool.

Also, how much of it is an over fondness of 'their guys', and being unwilling to overpay for a big move on a quality, impactful player.

The willingness to lose a deal but still push the team forward by improving the team (i.e. the experts saying the team overpaid in a trade for a player, but the player in return makes a large, positive impact on the team going forward).
- kingcong39

Pretty good Post here 39!

They also only seem comfortable dipping their toe in the water instead of being willing to make the leap and jump into the pool.
- kingcong39

Agreed, they are gonna have a log jam of talent in Rochester in another year if he isn't willing to dip more than just that pinky toe in the cold water.

and sometimes the gm is poor at evaluating talent

like putting tage on the block for a 5th round pick
- homiedclown

Yes that's the only true ek rumor ever.

Do you really honestly think ka had a similar opinion of Reinhart as boss

Also, how much of it is an over fondness of 'their guys', and being unwilling to overpay for a big move on a quality, impactful player.

The willingness to lose a deal but still push the team forward by improving the team (i.e. the experts saying the team overpaid in a trade for a player, but the player in return makes a large, positive impact on the team going forward).
- kingcong39

Lot of complacency, no question there.

Yes that's the only true ek rumor ever.

Do you really honestly think ka had a similar opinion of Reinhart as boss
- TheSabresTaco

Maybe Rhino wouldn't sign Kevyn's Bobblehead

Maybe Rhino wouldn't sign Kevyn's Bobblehead
- Buff36

That's my first guess

Agreed, they are gonna have a log jam of talent in Rochester in another year if he isn't willing to dip more than just that pinky toe in the cold water.
- Buff36

Tuch is an excellent example.

They are getting max value out of his contract now, and his contract ends in 3 seasons.

They already wasted one season of high value performance.

If they are already planning for Tuch's replacement when his contract ends, to the tune of hoarding picks and prospects, then they are wasting Tuch's performance.

He is part of the core. Waiting to go for it is a waste of every season of big time performance from Tuch.

Lot of complacency, no question there.
- Lunaion

Way to comfortable with handing the ball off for a 2 yard gain on what they think is first down.

Agreed, they are gonna have a log jam of talent in Rochester in another year if he isn't willing to dip more than just that pinky toe in the cold water.
- Buff36

Logjam is already started. 2 NHL G's + an AHL deal. 6 NHL D + at least 1 AHL D. 11 NHL F's + ?.

If you plan on waiving another G + 2 D, there isn't room.

Tuch is an excellent example.

They are getting max value out of his contract now, and his contract ends in 3 seasons.

They already wasted one season of high value performance.

If they are already planning for Tuch's replacement when his contract ends, to the tune of hoarding picks and prospects, then they are wasting Tuch's performance.

He is part of the core. Waiting to go for it is a waste of every season of big time performance from Tuch.
- kingcong39

Tuch Dahlin Power are all great value right know, at this point and where they are at. Sometimes your plans needs to be adjusted a bit, I don't think Adams knows or feels any pressure to do it.

Do they struggle with evaluating players, making decisions, or making moves?

Probably a combination, but a lot of it feels like the making moves part. Some of these moves feel like their 7th options, or they completely run through all the options.
- Lunaion

I don't think it's any of that. I think they have more faith in their players than we do. Dumping bad players has been challenging for everyone without taking money back and they only do moves when it's convenient for them, and we simply don't have the patience for it.