If he's just been hunting for a bargain for 2 years, I could could see them getting really sick of his calls.
- Lunaion

maybe, but maloney being at fault is equally likely. What little has been made public about him is not at all flattering.

I think Darcy/Kyvyn would have been the perfect person to complete the teardown and start the rebuild in earnest. Adams has done a "Gaustad-for-a-first" type job on the Eichel tear down.

Now they need a chain-smoking, beer drinking Tim Murray to cast aside some prospects and get this poop cooking with gas. Murray was two years too early. Adams has waited two years too long
- Hank Balling

If we could take 50% Adams 30% Botts and 20% TM to add some Balls. Might have a decent GM

Had me in the first half lol.

I dont mind getting a GM who shoots from the hip as they say, but I need it to be one just a little smarter than Tim.

They're two sides of the same coin honestly. One guy potentially too high on his own prospects, unwilling to move unless its the perfect deal. Then the other guy, prepared to give up everything for specific players, not cause theyre good or good fits, just cause he likes them.
- Michael Ghofrani

Two words:

Hudson.

Fasching.

If we could take 50% Adams 30% Botts and 20% TM to add some Balls. Might have a decent GM
- Buff36

Maybe someday

Two words:

Hudson.

Fasching.
- Hank Balling

you know something, thats literally the best example, and I always forget that deal. Like it was actually so bad I eternal sunshine of the spotless mind-it right out of my head.

Two words:

Hudson.

Fasching.
- Hank Balling

Just puke burped

Just puke burped
- Buff36

Literally lol'd

If we could take 50% Adams 30% Botts and 20% TM to add some Balls. Might have a decent GM
- Buff36

Is there really a difference between KA and JB?

you know something, thats literally the best example, and I always forget that deal. Like it was actually so bad I eternal sunshine of the spotless mind-it right out of my head.
- Michael Ghofrani

Tim Murray thought he was going to be an all-star version of Drew Stafford

Is there really a difference between KA and JB?
- Lunaion

I dont believe for a second Kevyn Adams would look at prospect producing like Hagel at a position they are weak at and say "its a situation where, i dont need that".

Tim Murray thought he was going to be an all-star version of Drew Stafford
- Hank Balling

Bro was actually so unhinged lmao.

I think Darcy/Kyvyn would have been the perfect person to complete the teardown and start the rebuild in earnest. Adams has done a "Gaustad-for-a-first" type job on the Eichel tear down.

Now they need a chain-smoking, beer drinking Tim Murray to cast aside some prospects and get this poop cooking with gas. Murray was two years too early. Adams has waited two years too long
- Hank Balling

I don’t think he’s waited two years to long, the right time to go for it is now.

I don’t think he’s waited two years to long, the right time to go for it is now.
- Swedish_Jesus

You know whats about to come now

Is there really a difference between KA and JB?
- Lunaion

Yes, Botterill spent plenty of picks on absolute crap like Beaulieu, Scandella, Frolik, Vesey, Sheary, Simmonds and Wilson while Adams mostly chooses to do his crap shopping for free

I don’t think he’s waited two years to long, the right time to go for it is now.
- Swedish_Jesus

Last year was the right time.

This year is definitely the right time.

I dont believe for a second Kevyn Adams would look at prospect producing like Hagel at a position they are weak at and say "its a situation where, i dont need that".
- Michael Ghofrani

In fairness, he didn't get re-drafted after the didn't sign him. KA might have to pass on signing some players as well, but that one looks bad in hindsight.

Is there really a difference between KA and JB?
- Lunaion

Was gonna go 40/40 but I think Adams has a better draft record. Botts unfortunately traded away a lot of picks because of Murray trading the whole farm system.

Was gonna go 40/40 but I think Adams has a better draft record. Botts unfortunately traded away a lot of picks because of Murray trading the whole farm system.
- Buff36

Prysk for free > Beaulieu for a 3rd

The going rate for Adams was a 1st and 1st round talented prospect.

He literally said it in his press conference
- Sabretooth9

then he got schooled by Dorion

Yes, Botterill spent plenty of picks on absolute crap like Beaulieu, Scandella, Frolik, Vesey, Sheary, Simmonds and Wilson while Adams mostly chooses to do his crap shopping for free
- Hank Balling

KA's had the advantage of a flat cap making that a lot easier. JB also had pressure to win. I think they are the same in their development philosophy. KA hired an analytics team, so huge credit there, just wished he used them more.

In fairness, he didn't get re-drafted after the didn't sign him. KA might have to pass on signing some players as well, but that one looks bad in hindsight.
- Lunaion

difference between have to pass on some guys who arent cut out for it, and not signing a guy who produced at even strength like a fringe 1st/2nd rounder.

I was so heated when they let him go.

KA's had the advantage of a flat cap making that a lot easier. JB also had pressure to win. I think they are the same in their development philosophy. KA hired an analytics team, so huge credit there, just wished he used them more.
- Lunaion

Ultimately the greatest L that Botterill took was hiring the worst coach in franchise history while also hiring perhaps the 2nd worst coach in franchise history

KA's had the advantage of a flat cap making that a lot easier. JB also had pressure to win. I think they are the same in their development philosophy. KA hired an analytics team, so huge credit there, just wished he used them more.
- Lunaion

I think he uses them way more than we give him credit for. I think his ability to execute doesn't mean they're not listened to quite often.

Yes, Botterill spent plenty of picks on absolute crap like Beaulieu, Scandella, Frolik, Vesey, Sheary, Simmonds and Wilson while Adams mostly chooses to do his crap shopping for free
- Hank Balling

Probably doesn't have to make half those trades if Murray drafted better or didn't trade any reasonable backfill prospects.

Was gonna go 40/40 but I think Adams has a better draft record. Botts unfortunately traded away a lot of picks because of Murray trading the whole farm system.
- Buff36

Adams also gets the rewards of moving reinhart, eichel and risto


Botts held firm for Tage and got Skinner, Dahlin Sameulsson and Cozens which should count for something

esp if Johnson, Casey do what we expect


Cederqvist and Rouusek still wildcards