What window ? Adams at this point doesn't seem to have a window. You seem to point that out but the way it is going the window will be shut on Tuch and Skinner. It's fabulous that the prospect pool is deep but you also have to align that with the talent you have on your roster.
- Buff36

The cap room disappears if Dahlin and Power are extended so it’s not an advantage.

Mitts is a prime example of drafting top 6 talent and trying to plug said prospect into a depth role. It doesn’t work.

The narrative that the Sabres problems are short term due to this regimes drafting is false.


Like their NHL roster, their prospects are unbalanced. The organization does not value depth roles, Adams realized that in the middle of last year, (2 1/2 years into his time as GM) and has tried to fill those roles with cheap garbage.

Adding depth player(s) to a potential SC team for a short term advantage is normal, but filling all the roles that way, has it ever been done before? This approach is also very costly, see Jeanott in Tampa.

All this losing and accruing top end prospect talent will not solve the problem that has plagued the Sabres, it does continue the hope train though.

Even meatball said his main goal last season was to get the players to believe they can compete, lol it's a straight up development system that has shown no signs of adjustments for next season.

Lyubushkin for Petry straight up, no Salary retention


yes or no?

The rising projections come as the Pegulas, who also own the NHL's Buffalo Sabres, are expected to soon approach the city to discuss long-needed renovations to the team's downtown arena.

KeyBank Center has not had a major upgrade since it opened in 1996 and needs work to its roof, concourses and seating bowls.

The renovation needs are so significant the project would have to be spread out over several offseasons.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/...ojected-300m-cost-overrun

The rising projections come as the Pegulas, who also own the NHL's Buffalo Sabres, are expected to soon approach the city to discuss long-needed renovations to the team's downtown arena.

KeyBank Center has not had a major upgrade since it opened in 1996 and needs work to its roof, concourses and seating bowls.

The renovation needs are so significant the project would have to be spread out over several offseasons.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/...ojected-300m-cost-overrun
- homiedclown

"Surging labor and material costs were cited for the increased price, with one person saying one line item has already come in at $75 million over budget. Another person said a delay in sending out bids also had an effect in upping the cost."

This is a direct result of bad management...lol

https://twitter.com/Keega...cher-throw-leaves-game%2F


WTF this pitcher has no luck

gets concussed by his catcher

"Surging labor and material costs were cited for the increased price, with one person saying one line item has already come in at $75 million over budget. Another person said a delay in sending out bids also had an effect in upping the cost."

This is a direct result of bad management...lol
- washedup20

that 16 dollar roll of insulation costs 55 now, 3 years later


saw $7 for a box of cereal the other day at publix

cereal

that 16 dollar roll of insulation costs 55 now, 3 years later


saw $7 for a box of cereal the other day at publix

cereal
- homiedclown

Yeah put some stuff out yesterday, they just started digging the hole and there 300mill over budget already. By the time this Stadium is done Pegula is gonna dish out about 500mill maybe more. Ticket prices are gonna feel it on top of the licensing fees.

https://theathletic.com/4...ailyemail&campaign=601983
Some say Saros could have been had for the right price.

that 16 dollar roll of insulation costs 55 now, 3 years later


saw $7 for a box of cereal the other day at publix

cereal
- homiedclown

I am building buildings in lower Manhattan at the moment. Bids now come with only a 2 week window for pricing provided as costs are only rising and rapidly.

Don't even get me started on lead times, whoever is managing that stadium is not doing their job, locking in pricing for materials and subs is the easy part.

Once you award the job, you have to get shops and submittals approved which sometimes adjust the price, ideally its lower though. When price hikes like this are involved its one of 2 things, an indecisive client/management group or improper designs by architects/engineers requiring field changes/delays.

Yeah put some stuff out yesterday, they just started digging the hole and there 300mill over budget already. By the time this Stadium is done Pegula is gonna dish out about 500mill maybe more. Ticket prices are gonna feel it on top of the licensing fees.
- Buff36

The SOE/foundation phase is always underestimated in both time and cost.

I am building buildings in lower Manhattan at the moment. Bids now come with only a 2 week window for pricing provided as costs are only rising and rapidly.

Don't even get me started on lead times, whoever is managing that stadium is not doing their job, locking in pricing for materials and subs is the easy part.

Once you award the job, you have to get shops and submittals approved which sometimes adjust the price, ideally its lower though. When price hikes like this are involved its one of 2 things, an indecisive client/management group or improper designs by architects/engineers requiring field changes/delays.
- washedup20

Yeah, if this is how there Starting, Thank god they got overages covered by Pegula. Cause they are screwed if they don't get there sh!t together.

The SOE/foundation phase is always underestimated in both time and cost.
- washedup20

I understand that

The only pick that Adams made that wasn’t a 1st round pick that has produced is Peterka, that was a good pick.
- washedup20

Wasn't that a Kreuger pick?

Wasn't that a Kreuger pick?
- Lunaion

That could be true, I don't know.

Yeah, if this is how there Starting, Thank god they got overages covered by Pegula. Cause they are screwed if they don't get there sh!t together.
- Buff36

Maybe Terry has to sell the Sabres to cover the overages rather than disrupt "the lifestyle"

Lyubushkin for Petry straight up, no Salary retention


yes or no?
- homiedclown

why

"Surging labor and material costs were cited for the increased price, with one person saying one line item has already come in at $75 million over budget. Another person said a delay in sending out bids also had an effect in upping the cost."

This is a direct result of bad management...lol
- washedup20

It's way more complicated than that. Hank and Indy can vouch for that too.

I am building buildings in lower Manhattan at the moment. Bids now come with only a 2 week window for pricing provided as costs are only rising and rapidly.

Don't even get me started on lead times, whoever is managing that stadium is not doing their job, locking in pricing for materials and subs is the easy part.

Once you award the job, you have to get shops and submittals approved which sometimes adjust the price, ideally its lower though. When price hikes like this are involved its one of 2 things, an indecisive client/management group or improper designs by architects/engineers requiring field changes/delays.
- washedup20

Different industry entirely, but as a project manager...this all checks out. Getting supplies should be the easy part, the fact they're already 300M in the negative is a very bad sign.

Maybe Terry has to sell the Sabres to cover the overages rather than disrupt "the lifestyle"
- washedup20

PSE owns the Bills and the Sabres and they are able to funnel their profits to the hockey side.

Different industry entirely, but as a project manager...this all checks out. Getting supplies should be the easy part, the fact they're already 300M in the negative is a very bad sign.
- RhinoFan

So you'd know that this isn't always, and is only sometimes, true.

I am building buildings in lower Manhattan at the moment. Bids now come with only a 2 week window for pricing provided as costs are only rising and rapidly.

Don't even get me started on lead times, whoever is managing that stadium is not doing their job, locking in pricing for materials and subs is the easy part.

Once you award the job, you have to get shops and submittals approved which sometimes adjust the price, ideally its lower though. When price hikes like this are involved its one of 2 things, an indecisive client/management group or improper designs by architects/engineers requiring field changes/delays.
- washedup20

So then you yourself know that this is way more complicated than morons farting on the bid docs for a few months.

You and I both know that most contracts don't come in with locked material prices. There's typically a clause that says, ok, today it's x price, change orders will reflect the difference.

Or, the bidder applies percent assurances that totally cover their ass for certain material markets, and those bids usually don't win in a public setting.

So then you yourself know that this is way more complicated than morons farting on the bid docs for a few months.

You and I both know that most contracts don't come in with locked material prices. There's typically a clause that says, ok, today it's x price, change orders will reflect the difference.
- TheSabresTaco

Yes, a ~ 20% of the total budget increase this early though, mistakes were made.

What I can tell you is this. The Pegulas were able to see that KBC needed renovations soon after the arena was bought. They did so somewhat, but most of what they did was aesthetic/intuitive. The same problems today have existed for many years. I was at a concert in 2014 and the roof was leaking on my chair.

The planning process takes a while, that is for certain. But this project, these needs could have been executed well before covid.

PSE owns the Bills and the Sabres and they are able to funnel their profits to the hockey side.
- TheSabresTaco

I read this as Pegula will let that arena crumble waiting for the city/state to pick up the tab.