Yes, a ~ 20% of the total budget increase this early though, mistakes were made.
- washedup20

That's possible, or a budget was created prior to an architectural assessment.

I do agree with you that it's a bad look, and anytime the Pegulas release anything, it's a bad (frank)ing look.

that 16 dollar roll of insulation costs 55 now, 3 years later


saw $7 for a box of cereal the other day at publix

cereal
- homiedclown

Oh dude cereal is outrageous

I read this as Pegula will let that arena crumble waiting for the city/state to pick up the tab.
- washedup20

Of course he will. It's owned by Erie County. Not saying it's right, just saying what is.

Hopefully the Pegulas can pick up more than 50% this time around.

That's possible, or a budget was created prior to an architectural assessment.

I do agree with you that it's a bad look, and anytime the Pegulas release anything, it's a bad (frank)ing look.
- TheSabresTaco

Well said

Well said
- washedup20

and to side track, these overages with the stadium, and I'm not saying they're ron's fault, but they are on his dish no doubt.

and to side track, these overages with the stadium, and I'm not saying they're ron's fault, but they are on his dish no doubt.
- TheSabresTaco

lol sure looks like it:

why
- TheSabresTaco

it's a simple question

Yes, a ~ 20% of the total budget increase this early though, mistakes were made.
- washedup20

This is a very bad sign. Interest rates weren't supposed to stay at 7%. Developers can't afford to go back to the bank for more money at these rates. I've been a Civil Engineer in Site Development for over 20 years. I never had one of my projects die on the vine after construction started. One project is hanging on by a thread right now.

ask a simple hockey question on a hockey web site on a player that is going to be shopped by the gm


and the response is why



why



this is why this site is so phucked up

it's a simple question


- homiedclown

your top 6 is ras sam pow clif erik joke

your 7 is loob or still, probably still.

i think if you make a move like that, you just do joke for petry and a 2nd.

This is a very bad sign. Interest rates weren't supposed to stay at 7%. Developers can't afford to go back to the bank for more money at these rates. I've been a Civil Engineer in Site Development for over 20 years. I never had one of my projects die on the vine after construction started. One project is hanging on by a thread right now.
- Hatboro_Swords

Impressive career, good analysis of the current environment.

This is a very bad sign. Interest rates weren't supposed to stay at 7%. Developers can't afford to go back to the bank for more money at these rates. I've been a Civil Engineer in Site Development for over 20 years. I never had one of my projects die on the vine after construction started. One project is hanging on by a thread right now.
- Hatboro_Swords

new house subdivisions remain vacant down here because they can't get electrical transformers

ask a simple hockey question on a hockey web site on a player that is going to be shopped by the gm


and the response is why



why



this is why this site is so phucked up
- homiedclown

you've been a little soft these past few days clown. what gives?

i asked "why" so you'd provide your thought process instead of just throwing a dart.

again, the point of the board.

you've been a little soft these past few days clown. what gives?

i asked "why" so you'd provide your thought process instead of just throwing a dart.

again, the point of the board.
- TheSabresTaco

why

ask a simple hockey question on a hockey web site on a player that is going to be shopped by the gm


and the response is why



why



this is why this site is so phucked up
- homiedclown

Where would you slot him into the lineup? Would he be a dad role?

So you'd know that this isn't always, and is only sometimes, true.
- TheSabresTaco

Meh, supply chain latencies have lessened and that was the biggest hurdle for the past few years. Now that the ports are open, IMO, for a job that large, you shouldn't have these types of issues, at least with getting product. Delays on one or two things, sure, but talking about being 20-25% over budget is a shocking stat to me.

new house subdivisions remain vacant down here because they can't get electrical transformers
- homiedclown

this is a national issue and it's been extremely annoying.

Where would you slot him into the lineup? Would he be a dad role?
- washedup20

why

your top 6 is ras sam pow clif erik joke

your 7 is loob or still, probably still.

i think if you make a move like that, you just do joke for petry and a 2nd.
- TheSabresTaco

dahlin-samuelsson
power-petry
johnson-clifton


or
dahlin-clifton
power-petry
samuelsson-joker
johnson


either is upgrade IMO over whatever lineup they can make right now

Meh, supply chain latencies have lessened and that was the biggest hurdle for the past few years. Now that the ports are open, IMO, for a job that large, you shouldn't have these types of issues, at least with getting product. Delays on one or two things, sure, but talking about being 40% over budget is a shocking stat to me.
- RhinoFan

Over budget doesn't necessarily mean the product isn't arriving on time.

There are still real problems with rising costs of plastics and steel.

dahlin-samuelsson
power-petry
johnson-clifton


or
dahlin-clifton
power-petry
samuelsson-joker
johnson


either is upgrade IMO over whatever lineup they can make right now
- homiedclown

You gotta think Johnson isn't here to play 40 games. That's the thing.

You gotta think Johnson isn't here to play 40 games. That's the thing.
- TheSabresTaco

4 of last 11 seasons he has played less than 50 games

new house subdivisions remain vacant down here because they can't get electrical transformers
- homiedclown

YES!!!! It's (frank)in ridiculous. I got a huge Shopping Center project under construction. It's going to get done and luckily we already have all transformers and switch gear already installed. PECO told the contractor that they won't have a transformer for a school project they are working on for 2 years. WTF. Before pandemic, there weren't any supply chain issues. It's like we're a 3rd world country now.

Over budget doesn't necessarily mean the product isn't arriving on time.

There are still real problems with rising costs of plastics and steel.
- TheSabresTaco

It's actually closer to 20%, sorry for the misinfo. I had seen 40% but it's 300M over a 1.4B budget, so like 22%.

And that's fair, but the supply chain issues are what was forcing a lot of companies to pay high premiums and see sharp increases in the overall cost of jobs. Being that this isn't the case any longer, they should be able to bid out a lot of this and if someone doesn't deliver...poof, onto the next one. Plastic I don't deal with, but the steel prices haven't gone up that much in a couple years. The big spike was back in 2021, so that should mostly be accounted for in the estimates.

Meh, supply chain latencies have lessened and that was the biggest hurdle for the past few years. Now that the ports are open, IMO, for a job that large, you shouldn't have these types of issues, at least with getting product. Delays on one or two things, sure, but talking about being 20-25% over budget is a shocking stat to me.
- RhinoFan

It will get worse to when they start putting in the Electrical and the specialized chips and conductors are needed. Very hard to get specialized material and it will only get more expensive.