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Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 2 @ 1:45 PM ET
Troy Terry signs 7 year / 49m contract...

Ooooof I was looking at Terry for a possible comparable for Tippett if he can reach the 30 goal mark this year.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 2 @ 1:56 PM ET
Troy Terry signs 7 year / 49m contract...

Ooooof I was looking at Terry for a possible comparable for Tippett if he can reach the 30 goal mark this year.

- Glak18

That’s a good contract for the Ducks
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Aug 2 @ 1:59 PM ET

I’m not going to guess at the Flyers’ lineup on defense for opening night, but I do have questions about the defense. Just food for thought.

1. Will York play the majority of his time this season on the right or left side?

2. After clearly stating at the end of last season that the Flyers have gotten younger at forward and now need to make a move to get younger on defense, will Torts lineup have any rookie defensemen this year?

(The six NHL defensemen—without Zamula—under contract are an average age of 29. That wouldn’t be bad except that only York is 26 or under. He will be 23 this season and begins the year with 87 NHL games already played. Also since York was on the team at the time of Torts comments about the team needing to get younger on defense, his inclusion on the team would not be a big advancement in this area.)

3. How will coaches divide out the big minutes and slot players in new roles with the departure of Provy? Will the development of younger defenseman be a priority? Not taking on too much, too soon but also not scratched or benched for mistakes…a balance with the Flyers future in view?
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 2 @ 2:12 PM ET
That’s a good contract for the Ducks
- ClaudeFather


It could be if he improves as the team does, but if he plateaus then not good at all in the future.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 2 @ 2:13 PM ET
It could be if he improves as the team does, but if he plateaus then not good at all in the future.
- Glak18

At worst he’s a 65 point player on a $7M contract with the cap going up considerably next year. That’s a good contract
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 2 @ 2:19 PM ET
At worst he’s a 65 point player on a $7M contract with the cap going up considerably next year. That’s a good contract
- ClaudeFather


That's good news for Flyer contracts then.
Letterkenney
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dementia Patient in the White House, DC, PA
Joined: 03.20.2020

Aug 2 @ 2:19 PM ET
It could be if he improves as the team does, but if he plateaus then not good at all in the future.
- Glak18


I actually think this is a good contract for Terry. He's coming into his prime years as the team improves with more talent around him. That alone is likely to give him a big boost in point production which he is fully capable of doing. This contract will look like a complete bargain in 3 years.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 2 @ 2:21 PM ET
That's good news for Flyer contracts then.
- Glak18

Doesn’t mean anything for the Flyers lol, Tippett isn’t Troy Terry. Could he be a better or as good player, maybe
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 2 @ 2:27 PM ET
I actually think this is a good contract for Terry. He's coming into his prime years as the team improves with more talent around him. That alone is likely to give him a big boost in point production which he is fully capable of doing. This contract will look like a complete bargain in 3 years.
- Letterkenney


It's another pay for the possible/hope contract, much like Farabee. Terry is a good complementary piece, nothing more.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 2 @ 2:38 PM ET
It's another pay for the possible/hope contract, much like Farabee. Terry is a good complementary piece, nothing more.
- Glak18

But he’s shown much more than Farabee to this point
Letterkenney
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dementia Patient in the White House, DC, PA
Joined: 03.20.2020

Aug 2 @ 2:42 PM ET
It's another pay for the possible/hope contract, much like Farabee. Terry is a good complementary piece, nothing more.
- Glak18


He's a much better player than Farabee has shown so far. I'll take a "complimentary piece" that's 65 points any day!
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 2 @ 2:42 PM ET
But he’s shown much more than Farabee to this point
- ClaudeFather


Does Farabee have a 7m cap hit?

C'mon if you are going to participate in a conversation you have to pay attention better.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 2 @ 2:44 PM ET
He's a much better player than Farabee has shown so far. I'll take a "complimentary piece" that's 65 points any day!
- Letterkenney


Well at the time of Farabee's contract it was probably thought he would be farther along.

Would you want the Flyers paying Frost 7m over 7 years right now?

Update: Konecny is a pretty good piece AT 5.5m.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 2 @ 2:46 PM ET
Does Farabee have a 7m cap hit?

C'mon if you are going to participate in a conversation you have to pay attention better.

- Glak18

We all know this bud 😂 you’re the one saying ooof to the contract. Try and keep up.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 2 @ 2:47 PM ET
Well at the time of Farabee's contract it was probably thought he would be farther along.

Would you want the Flyers paying Frost 7m over 7 years right now?

Update: Konecny is a pretty good piece AT 5.5m.

- Glak18

Morgan frost is not Troy Terry, why do you keep comparing our players to a guy that’s shown much more to this point. It makes no sense
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 2 @ 2:47 PM ET
We all know this bud 😂 you’re the one saying ooof to the contract. Try and keep up.
- ClaudeFather


I said OOOF with the possibility of Tippett wanting that in a year...

Again put down the anime and pay attention.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 2 @ 2:48 PM ET
Morgan frost is not Troy Terry, why do you keep comparing our players to a guy that’s shown much more to this point. It makes no sense
- ClaudeFather


See this is where your argument falls apart...it's all Flyers suck, everyone else on other teams better. What has Terry done in his career? Yes, I have watched many Duck games.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Aug 2 @ 2:49 PM ET
Does Farabee have a 7m cap hit?

C'mon if you are going to participate in a conversation you have to pay attention better.

- Glak18

he has back to back 60 point + seasons. Joel never hit 40. Therefore he should be paid more no?
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 2 @ 2:50 PM ET
See this is where your argument falls apart...it's all Flyers suck, everyone else on other teams better. What has Terry done in his career? Yes, I have watched many Duck games.
- Glak18

Back to back 60 point plus seasons and has surpassed 35 goals in a season. Again, frost and Tippett are not Troy Terry. Best of luck figuring this all out, I’m done here
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 2 @ 2:50 PM ET
he has back to back 60 point + seasons. Joel never hit 40. Therefore he should be paid more no?
- hello it's me 2050

Keep logic out of this
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 2 @ 3:02 PM ET
he has back to back 60 point + seasons. Joel never hit 40. Therefore he should be paid more no?
- hello it's me 2050


You do realize Farabee's contract was signed 2 years ago right?

It's like you're stuck on 60 > 40 deRp DeRp

I'll walk you through it...

1) Farabee at a young age was coming off a couple reasonably good seasons for his age (38 points in 55 games and 34 in 63). You might be able to figure out those are not full seasons, if you didn't then they are not full seasons.

2) The Flyers signed Farabee to a 6 year deal in the HOPES he would continue his progress....which as was stated prior would then become a STEAL of a DEAL.

3) Unfortunately Farabee has had some setbacks, so he has not lived up to that contract in terms of production. Whether due to injury or confidence.

So there's the child-like explanation why Farabee was mentioned, not "Duh 60 greater than 40".

On top of that there's a disparity in cap hit...which is 2m more. 7 > 5.

So is paying 7m for 60 point production a bargain? No, not even close.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Aug 2 @ 3:09 PM ET
You do realize Farabee's contract was signed 2 years ago right?

It's like you're stuck on 60 > 40 deRp DeRp

I'll walk you through it...

1) Farabee at a young age was coming off a couple reasonably good seasons for his age (38 points in 55 games and 34 in 63). You might be able to figure out those are not full seasons, if you didn't then they are not full seasons.

2) The Flyers signed Farabee to a 6 year deal in the HOPES he would continue his progress....which as was stated prior would then become a STEAL of a DEAL.

3) Unfortunately Farabee has had some setbacks, so he has not lived up to that contract in terms of production. Whether due to injury or confidence.

So there's the child-like explanation why Farabee was mentioned, not "Duh 60 greater than 40".

On top of that there's a disparity in cap hit...which is 2m more. 7 > 5.

So is paying 7m for 60 point production a bargain? No, not even close.

- Glak18

how much should a player who will be 26 after back to back 60+ point season be making then? Do you have any comparable?

Terry > Joel all day everyday at this point.

so the flyers then overpaid for a plyer who didn't play a full season is that what your trying to say?
Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Aug 2 @ 3:15 PM ET
So Wyatt’s Wylie gone to LA, eh?
- SuperSchennBros


Sort of. It's an AHL contract. Still a UFA for NHL purposes
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 2 @ 3:23 PM ET
how much should a player who will be 26 after back to back 60+ point season be making then? Do you have any comparable?

Terry > Joel all day everyday at this point.

so the flyers then overpaid for a plyer who didn't play a full season is that what your trying to say?

- hello it's me 2050


The comparison of using Farabee is not as a player and production, which was quite evident. It was based off the contract being signed in the hope they play up to or above it. Anaheim did not sign Terry in the hope he replicates his 2 seasons of 60 some points, the expectation is more.

If you want another comparable, how about DeBrincat. He makes $875,000 more, but he has 2 40 goal seasons in his resume and same age. Detroit didn't sign him to an extension expecting 27 goals from him.

Did the Flyers overpay? In retrospect absolutely, they took a risk and it hasn't worked out yet. The same goes for Terry, Anaheim took the risk expecting progression from the player, not what he already did.

Couturier was making 4m or something when he was putting up 70 points, but signed an extension over 7m and has injury setbacks...everyone on this board can agree it looks bad NOW, not at the time the contract was signed. The same could be said about Terry's contract 2-3 years from now, but one thing for certain is if Tippett can build on last year and score 30-35 goals I still don't want him signed for 7m+.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Aug 2 @ 3:25 PM ET
The comparison of using Farabee is not as a player and production, which was quite evident. It was based off the contract being signed in the hope they play up to or above it. Anaheim did not sign Terry in the hope he replicates his 2 seasons of 60 some points, the expectation is more.

If you want another comparable, how about DeBrincat. He makes $875,000 more, but he has 2 40 goal seasons in his resume and same age. Detroit didn't sign him to an extension expecting 27 goals from him.

Did the Flyers overpay? In retrospect absolutely, they took a risk and it hasn't worked out yet. The same goes for Terry, Anaheim took the risk expecting progression from the player, not what he already did.

Couturier was making 4m or something when he was putting up 70 points, but signed an extension over 7m and has injury setbacks...everyone on this board can agree it looks bad NOW, not at the time the contract was signed. The same could be said about Terry's contract 2-3 years from now, but one thing for certain is if Tippett can build on last year and score 30-35 goals I still don't want him signed for 7m+.

- Glak18

you didn't answer. how much should a player who will be 26 after back to back 60+ point season be making then?

also many on the boards hated the ex selke contract, even before the injuries.
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