Well at the time of Farabee's contract it was probably thought he would be farther along.

Would you want the Flyers paying Frost 7m over 7 years right now?

Update: Konecny is a pretty good piece AT 5.5m.
- Glak18

I would imagine he would as well....minus the whole neck surgery thing.

and another late find in Terry. weird, i'm told those later picks don't matter.

you didn't answer. how much should a player who will be 26 after back to back 60+ point season be making then?

also many on the boards hated the ex selke contract, even before the injuries.
- hello it's me 2050

The answer is not 7m over 7 years unless his production is better than what it has been. Would it help to say 5.5m is the going rate for a ppg 30 goal scorer or does that not fit the narrative you want this to go?

Yeah those same people also yelled about Giroux making 8.2m....until he had a 100 point season then magically started calling him just as good as Crosby. The people who predict tend to look like fools because they use the 50/50 guessing game strategy. They also pre-judge every young player in the hopes they can say "See I said that". That's why you see debates on Frost on here all the time, people trying to be on the right side of the 50. The correct answer is "I don't know, let's see how he progresses".

The answer is not 7m over 7 years unless his production is better than what it has been. Would it help to say 5.5m is the going rate for a ppg 30 goal scorer or does that not fit the narrative you want this to go?

Yeah those same people also yelled about Giroux making 8.2m....until he had a 100 point season then magically started calling him just as good as Crosby. The people who predict tend to look like fools because they use the 50/50 guessing game strategy. They also pre-judge every young player in the hopes they can say "See I said that". That's why you see debates on Frost on here all the time, people trying to be on the right side of the 50. The correct answer is "I don't know, let's see how he progresses".
- Glak18

what narrative is that? asked you a simple question of which you really have no answer.

so what is the going rate for 60+ scorers? if you dont know then just say so.

I saw a report from Andy Strickland that said 5 players will be suspended as a result of the Canadian junior scandal. I thought that was an impossibility and nothing will happen?

I saw a report from Andy Strickland that said 5 players will be suspended as a result of the Canadian junior scandal. I thought that was an impossibility and nothing will happen?
- funmaster18

Yea, sadly this case is a ticking bomb 💣

I liked Hatcher a lot

Jon Sim. In 2006 in London Ontario, I was at a Flyers pre season game against the Atlanta Thrashers where Simon Gagne scored a hat trick and Jon Sim scored twice. This was a line up that show cased Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, Patrick Sharp, Kim Johnsson, Chris Therien, Turner Stevenson, Ryan Ready and Mike Knuble. All would be outshined by Sim except Gagne.

Marc Sarvard is the only thrasher I remember and I believe this was one day after the Hossa and Heatley trade with Ottawa.
- SuperSchennBros

I remember Jon Sim. I believe that he scored 4 goals in a game but I don't remember against whixh team it was. I had hope that he would turn out okay but he didn't even make the team amd I'm not sure why.
Geez, what a blast from my youth...

The answer is not 7m over 7 years unless his production is better than what it has been. Would it help to say 5.5m is the going rate for a ppg 30 goal scorer or does that not fit the narrative you want this to go?

Yeah those same people also yelled about Giroux making 8.2m....until he had a 100 point season then magically started calling him just as good as Crosby. The people who predict tend to look like fools because they use the 50/50 guessing game strategy. They also pre-judge every young player in the hopes they can say "See I said that". That's why you see debates on Frost on here all the time, people trying to be on the right side of the 50. The correct answer is "I don't know, let's see how he progresses".
- Glak18

don't use the flyers as a benchmark.

they gave JVR 5 years x 7 mil for lesser numbers.

Hayes over 7 mil per for lesser numbers.

Sanheim over 6 mil for some reason.

The answer is not 7m over 7 years unless his production is better than what it has been. Would it help to say 5.5m is the going rate for a ppg 30 goal scorer or does that not fit the narrative you want this to go?

Yeah those same people also yelled about Giroux making 8.2m....until he had a 100 point season then magically started calling him just as good as Crosby. The people who predict tend to look like fools because they use the 50/50 guessing game strategy. They also pre-judge every young player in the hopes they can say "See I said that". That's why you see debates on Frost on here all the time, people trying to be on the right side of the 50. The correct answer is "I don't know, let's see how he progresses".
- Glak18

I understand why you brought up Farabee. To make the point that projection based contracts can go belly up.

But I disagree about the larger point bolded above. There are good predictors and average predictors. The good predictors might get things right say 70% of the time. The average predictors might get things right 50% of the time. But without measuring the likelihoods, it might seem to a casual observer that both are equally bad, for there would be plenty of examples of erroneous predictions from both. But they are not equally bad.*

People use this kind of reasoning to slam, say, Pronman. Because they focus on his mistakes. (Looks increasingly like he got Hart right, btw). But the measure should be comparing ALL his NHL potential predictions in terms of say ppg, and then comparing ALL the random wiseguy's similar predictions on some board and then seeing if there is an appreciable difference (EDIT: in accuracy %).

This little digression brought to you by your truly, an immodestly well-above-average but far from infallible predictor.

*There are also extremely bad predictors. Like, say, MJL.

The comparison of using Farabee is not as a player and production, which was quite evident. It was based off the contract being signed in the hope they play up to or above it. Anaheim did not sign Terry in the hope he replicates his 2 seasons of 60 some points, the expectation is more.

If you want another comparable, how about DeBrincat. He makes $875,000 more, but he has 2 40 goal seasons in his resume and same age. Detroit didn't sign him to an extension expecting 27 goals from him.

Did the Flyers overpay? In retrospect absolutely, they took a risk and it hasn't worked out yet. The same goes for Terry, Anaheim took the risk expecting progression from the player, not what he already did.

Couturier was making 4m or something when he was putting up 70 points, but signed an extension over 7m and has injury setbacks...everyone on this board can agree it looks bad NOW, not at the time the contract was signed. The same could be said about Terry's contract 2-3 years from now, but one thing for certain is if Tippett can build on last year and score 30-35 goals I still don't want him signed for 7m+.
- Glak18

No one refuted this buddy

what narrative is that? asked you a simple question of which you really have no answer.

so what is the going rate for 60+ scorers? if you dont know then just say so.
- hello it's me 2050

He’s talked himself into a circle . Stating the obvious thinking he’s making a point

I understand why you brought up Farabee. To make the point that projection based contracts can go belly up.

But I disagree about the larger point bolded above. There are good predictors and average predictors. The good predictors might get things right say 70% of the time. The average predictors might get things right 50% of the time. But without measuring the likelihoods, it might seem to a casual observer that both are equally bad, for there would be plenty of examples of erroneous predictions from both. But they are not equally bad.*

People use this kind of reasoning to slam, say, Pronman. Because they focus on his mistakes. (Looks increasingly like he got Hart right, btw). But the measure should be comparing ALL his NHL potential predictions in terms of say ppg, and then comparing ALL the random wiseguy's similar predictions on some board and then seeing if there is an appreciable difference (EDIT: in accuracy %).

This little digression brought to you by your truly, an immodestly well-above-average but far from infallible predictor.

*There are also extremely bad predictors. Like, say, MJL.
- PT21

The bottom line is it’s a good contract because he’s proved much more than many others on a projection base contract, and his floor is not far off of what he is being paid contract wise. It’s a very safe bet for Anaheim

what narrative is that? asked you a simple question of which you really have no answer.

so what is the going rate for 60+ scorers? if you dont know then just say so.
- hello it's me 2050

The fact you don't know what a simple question is says it all. What a 60 point player is worth is based on opinion, which most educated people understand that will lead to multiple answers. Which obviously means you think you have the correct answer and there is no such thing as a correct answer since it's based on opinion.

Look at all the scenarios...

Are we talking about players who scored 60+ points in the past and will continue to be a 60 point player?

What about players who were 60 point players with the expectation they become greater than a 60 point player?

How about players who have never scored 60 points, but expect to be?

Doesn't seem so simple, especially since the answer will always be opinion based.

Tage Thompson was a 60 point scorer when he signed his 7.1m contract then scored 94 points, clearly 94 point players make 7.1m then, right? That's the production for a player making that much money. When he scored 68 points he was making 1.4m...is that the answer you want?

He’s talked himself into a circle . Stating the obvious thinking he’s making a point
- ClaudeFather

The only circle jerker has been you...

Again what has Terry done in his career that warrants 7 million a year?

Let me help, nothing. He was paid 7 million to do BETTER. Anaheim is predicting he will, I have yet to see the consistency to prove that. Just like Farabee did not show enough to warrant his 5m.

This is why the Flyers have been a terrible team for as long as they have, they have terrible cap efficiency. They gamble and lose most of the time. It's an excellent formula for mediocrity. Anaheim really is no different than the Flyers. They have Killorn, Strome and someone else that's just absolute terrible decisions on cap efficiency. It's really easy to say no big deal at the time of the signing, until you end up looking like the Flyers that have to give up assets to get rid of mistakes.

I remember Jon Sim. I believe that he scored 4 goals in a game but I don't remember against whixh team it was. I had hope that he would turn out okay but he didn't even make the team amd I'm not sure why.
Geez, what a blast from my youth...
- Bob Habib

Against the islanders I think

The only circle jerker has been you...

Again what has Terry done in his career that warrants 7 million a year?

Let me help, nothing. He was paid 7 million to do BETTER. Anaheim is predicting he will, I have yet to see the consistency to prove that. Just like Farabee did not show enough to warrant his 5m.

This is why the Flyers have been a terrible team for as long as they have, they have terrible cap efficiency. They gamble and lose most of the time. It's an excellent formula for mediocrity. Anaheim really is no different than the Flyers. They have Killorn, Strome and someone else that's just absolute terrible decisions on cap efficiency. It's really easy to say no big deal at the time of the signing, until you end up looking like the Flyers that have to give up assets to get rid of mistakes.
- Glak18

This is all over your head huh

Well at the time of Farabee's contract it was probably thought he would be farther along.

Would you want the Flyers paying Frost 7m over 7 years right now?

Update: Konecny is a pretty good piece AT 5.5m.
- Glak18

It’s hard to argue hello it’s me’s point about this not feeling like a real rebuild when our most tradable asset is still here, on a team that is super deep on the right side. I truly believe that the Flyers need to get full value otherwise you keep him but I’m probably calling all 31 one teams right now if I’m Briere. I feel like the DeAngelo release hurt us by not getting a return.

*There are also extremely bad predictors. Like, say, MJL.
- PT21

Living in your head rent free. This is you ignoring me.

I remember Jon Sim. I believe that he scored 4 goals in a game but I don't remember against whixh team it was. I had hope that he would turn out okay but he didn't even make the team amd I'm not sure why.
Geez, what a blast from my youth...
- Bob Habib

It might have been the thrashers game I went to. I could be remembering wrong.

This is all over your head huh
- ClaudeFather

And you keep laying down the cliche statements proving what you normally do...that you provide nothing to any discussion.

And you keep laying down the cliche statements proving what you normally do...that you provide nothing to any discussion.
- Glak18

I provided you the information multiple times, even had a discussion with others. Take
Your time

It’s hard to argue hello it’s me’s point about this not feeling like a real rebuild when our most tradable asset is still here, on a team that is super deep on the right side. I truly believe that the Flyers need to get full value otherwise you keep him but I’m probably calling all 31 one teams right now if I’m Briere. I feel like the DeAngelo release hurt us by not getting a return.
- SuperSchennBros

Personally I think the Hayes trade was more damaging to the Flyers. Dead cap of 3.5m for 3 years and only getting a 6th is inexcusable, but realistically Danny had to find anyway possible to correct previous mistakes.

I still can't accept that Hayes at 3.5m, even if you hate him, isn't worth more than what the Flyers got. The argument no one wants him is invalid because St. Louis traded for him and other teams signed comparable players for more.

I saw a report from Andy Strickland that said 5 players will be suspended as a result of the Canadian junior scandal. I thought that was an impossibility and nothing will happen?
- funmaster18

Link? Goodness for the sake of the victim, players, teams, and fans they need to get on with this already.

disagree as Rathje was fine until he got hurt. Him and Joni looked good.

Both was complete overkill coming out of the lockout though. Not sure what clarke was thinking giving a damaged hatcher that deal.
- hello it's me 2050

As it has been said, some believed Clarke always had a penchant for building a roster to win the previous year's cup. Especially later in his career.

Bump

I provided you the information multiple times, even had a discussion with others. Take
Your time
- ClaudeFather

I took my time, there may be issues. Seek advised specialist.

You said it was a good contract. Opinion.

LetterKenny provided more information and opinion.

Said Tippett isn't Terry. Great insight.

Said shown more than Farabee. Clearly didn't read that it was based on contract not the player.

Said oof to the contract. Follow up corrected this misunderstanding you made.

Said Frost is not Terry. More great insight, still seem lost in the discussion.

Said he had back to back 60 point seasons and once again said Frost and Tippett not Terry. At this point I just feel bad, clearly lost in the disscusion. Might be having conversations with self thinking it's others.

Said logic. Based off the obvious of 60 point seasons, not why 60 points means 7m.

Said no one refuted this buddy based off Anaheim's expectation, but never said your opinion based on expectations. Might be part of assumption dilusions and having conversations in own head.

Said I'm talking in circles. You preceed to talk in circles meantioning 60 point seasons. The irony.

Said it's a safe bet.

Said over my head.