Well I'd bet the farm - if I had one - that their jerseys do hang from the rafters at some point - regardless if they do re-sign or not. How about "a beverage of one's choice" instead of farm.

These two have played a lot of good hockey for a long time for the Jets and are more than worthy of being honored, regardless.

Don't forget - time heals wounds!
- grahamzky

The bet would be if they don't sign, because if they do sign for term then its almost certain that both would be in the Jets HOF. Scheif is a lot closer than Helle if neither sign ...but I don't think he's done quite enough yet to get there. Helle is not even close having only played 400 or so games. He'd need to get that number over 500 to even be considered.

Jets have 10 guys on the HOF. Wheeler will be number 11. The NHL Jets have never retired a Jersey number. If either signed for 5-8 years and continued to play well then I would think that they have a chance at that honour. Just remember that most players ( although not all ) who had their jerseys retired played around 1500 games or more. Anything less than 1000 games is unlikely. It's a big honor .

An 8-year deal for Scheifele at age 30 is ridiculous. Has about a 5% chance of being a good contract 5 years in

The bet would be if they don't sign, because if they do sign for term then its almost certain that both would be in the Jets HOF. Scheif is a lot closer than Helle if neither sign ...but I don't think he's done quite enough yet to get there. Helle is not even close having only played 400 or so games. He'd need to get that number over 500 to even be considered.

Jets have 10 guys on the HOF. Wheeler will be number 11. The NHL Jets have never retired a Jersey number. If either signed for 5-8 years and continued to play well then I would think that they have a chance at that honour. Just remember that most players ( although not all ) who had their jerseys retired played around 1500 games or more. Anything less than 1000 games is unlikely. It's a big honor .
- jetsnation

No, I say they get both have their jerseys hung from the rafters regardless if they never play another game in a Jets uniform. (Hopefully 55 doesn't) (37?)

Helle has been the best Jets goalie - ever!!! Our MVP for several years. Scheifele was the Jets-2 1st ever draft pick - and, like I said before I believe, has played a lot of good hockey for years for our Jets. Even though he now needs to go, he has been a very good player for a long time here and deserves recognition IMO.

An 8-year deal for Scheifele at age 30 is ridiculous. Has about a 5% chance of being a good contract 5 years in
- jjonah

What about a Wheeler extension for Scheifele,
$8.25M×5 years, would that be digestible?

What about a Wheeler extension for Scheifele,
$8.25M×5 years, would that be digestible?
- JetFuel

Definitely worth it with the cap going to be going up in the next few years . He's a 40 goal scorer and top-line center. Stays in top shape as well. He is the only Jet's option to actually get extended because

Chevy cannot afford the money Helle wants. I'd say #37 's ask needs to come down about $1.25 M before Chevy can get a trade done and about $1.5 M before Chevy would sign him if that's even something #37 wants.

Definitely worth it with the cap going to be going up in the next few years . He's a 40 goal scorer and top-line center. Stays in top shape as well. He is the only Jet's option to actually get extended because

Chevy cannot afford the money Helle wants. I'd say #37 's ask needs to come down about $1.25 M before Chevy can get a trade done and about $1.5 M before Chevy would sign him if that's even something #37 wants.
- jetsnation

8.25 is what Wheeler was paid, its hard to argue that 55 is worth less than that to the Jets considering that it is about 6 years since the Wheeler signing. I think the price of signing Scheif for less than 8.5-9 would be maximum term and some control over movement. Some team out there will offer 55 a 7 by 8.5, I don't think he signs with the Jets for 8.25 unless its for an 8 by 8.25years, being made captain and 5 team trade list. Yes the contract becomes a burden in the last 2,3 maybe 4 years but thats what buyouts and retaining cap in trades are for.

And if we are in the hunt? Keep them and let them walk with no return??
- grahamzky

Hopefully, Chevy will have a sense of whether or not there is any chance of them signing and will act accordingly. If we are in the hunt, they may want to stay. If not, we trade em !

If 55 is named Captain with a 8 year deal in his pocket that would be the death blow for my 4 season tickets.
At that point it would show the level of intent by True North to actually compete.


Scheifele resigned at 5 years $7.5 would be perfectly acceptable but there is NO WAY he would sign such a contract

Trade him , start over…… the hybrid retool won’t work. Based on the PLD return we should be rebuilding. PLD was sent for a decent package but there isn’t a guaranteed top 3 and barely top 6 forward that came back. Vilardi is the centrepiece but the deal is not one that starts a quasi-retool

Hopefully, Chevy will have a sense of whether or not there is any chance of them signing and will act accordingly. If we are in the hunt, they may want to stay. If not, we trade em !
- bennythehat

Yea, for sure, trade them. But let's not wait until the trade deadline. At that time we could well be held hostage by other teams, knowing we are desperate to not lose them for next to nothing.

With Krejci retiring in Boston, once again I wonder if Wpg is on Carlo's no-trade list?

Just wondering out loud what happens if the Jets start the season with both players and somehow get 20 wins in the first 25 games. I'm sure the conversations with Scheif and Helle might change. Maybe this is Chevy's game plan even though I know that Helle came pretty close to being a NJD.

Yea, for sure, trade them. But let's not wait until the trade deadline. At that time we could well be held hostage by other teams, knowing we are desperate to not lose them for next to nothing.

With Krejci retiring in Boston, once again I wonder if Wpg is on Carlo's no-trade list?
- grahamzky

Carlo is from Colorado and has played his entire career with the Bruins who drafted him and he has a 10 team no trade list, gotta think Winnipeg is one of those 10 teams.

Also why would Boston trade him? I get that they'd be getting a 1C in Scheifele but then they'd need to find a 2nd pair RHD plus with Carlo's contract with term he probably has more value to them as he'd be difficult to replace, maybe if the Jets added DeMelo(calm down Ross and Rexy, this is just hypothetical) it'd interest them a bit more, doubt they'd want Pionk with his almost $6M cap hit.

Again though they're probably not trading Carlo nor is he waiving to come to the Jets.

Carlo is from Colorado and has played his entire career with the Bruins who drafted him and he has a 10 team no trade list, gotta think Winnipeg is one of those 10 teams.

Also why would Boston trade him? I get that they'd be getting a 1C in Scheifele but then they'd need to find a 2nd pair RHD plus with Carlo's contract with term he probably has more value to them as he'd be difficult to replace, maybe if the Jets added DeMelo(calm down Ross and Rexy, this is just hypothetical) it'd interest them a bit more, doubt they'd want Pionk with his almost $6M cap hit.

Again though they're probably not trading Carlo nor is he waiving to come to the Jets.
- JetFuel

Yea I agree with what you're saying - Carlo probably has Wpg on NTC. And who knows if the Bruins would move him? But one could always ask.

IFone could get Carlo and, say, Swayman (or Ullmark) out of Boston for re-signed Scheifele and Stanley - and then perhaps Mittlestadt (or Krebs?) and Kulich out of Buffalo for Helle and a prospect - we would then take a step back probably, but hopefully two steps forward?

We would then have a glut of younger forwards to try and fill our centre voids - Lucius,Perfetti, Lambert, Zhilkin plus ones named above. Most young and unproven - but so was Scheifele one day.

But no Carlo probably would mean different plans. All bets would be off. So then maybe back to the Devils?

I see that The Hockey News named Adam Lowry as one of the best bottom 6 forwards in the league.
I would agree with that.

Adam Lowry stats at age 23:
74gp 7g 10a for 17 points.
0.23ppg

Rasmus Kupari at age 23:
66gp 3g 12a for 15 points.
0.23ppg

Rasmus Kupari is essentially Adam Lowry's replacement, and if the Jets can get some center depth would be an ideal 4th line center.
- TheUltimateJet

Im curious, did you look at minutes played? were they also the same?

Im curious, did you look at minutes played? were they also the same?
- Ross77

They are 2 different types of players.....not sure why this is even being discussed.

They are 2 different types of players.....not sure why this is even being discussed.
- bennythehat

As witnessed in last year's playoffs, its not all about points ( although Lowry did produce against Vegas and late in season). Lowry is in my opinion the heart and soul player on the Jets. No one else gave it his all like Lowry did.

If Kupari has anywhere near the character of Lowry then he could be a real winner, but I'm guessing for now that he is not nearly the same heart and soul player but maybe better at putting the puck in the net.

As witnessed in last year's playoffs, its not all about points ( although Lowry did produce against Vegas and late in season). Lowry is in my opinion the heart and soul player on the Jets. No one else gave it his all like Lowry did.

If Kupari has anywhere near the character of Lowry then he could be a real winner, but I'm guessing for now that he is not nearly the same heart and soul player but maybe better at putting the puck in the net.
- jetsnation

Very good assessment.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...e-more-big-moves-to-make/

I doubt he'd sign it anyway but a two or three year deal for Hellebuyck at $9-10M would be awful for the Jets.
He really needs to be traded, its time to move on.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-mailbag-cheveldayoff-might-have-more-big-moves-to-make/

I doubt he'd sign it anyway but a two or three year deal for Hellebuyck at $9-10M would be awful for the Jets.
He really needs to be traded, its time to move on.
- JetFuel

I would do that - low risk and we should have the cap space for that time period if 55 moves on

I would do that - low risk and we should have the cap space for that time period if 55 moves on
- 2.0

I wouldn't, way too much cap space tied up in goaltending, totally not worth it and it'd basically be unmovable.

Big Logan is back baby!!!

$1M×1 year, one-way contract

Really hope he worked on his skating this offseason.

Big Logan is back baby!!!

$1M×1 year, one-way contract

Really hope he worked on his skating this offseason.
- JetFuel

If he gets to “average” with his skating, he’s still at least 9th on the depth chart. He doesn’t have the hockey IQ to play in the NHL. He just spams point shots and loses his man in the cycle

If he gets to “average” with his skating, he’s still at least 9th on the depth chart. He doesn’t have the hockey IQ to play in the NHL. He just spams point shots and loses his man in the cycle
- Rexypoo

I guess at this point the deal is an attempt to protect an asset..... hopefully he can be moved one way or another. Heinola will be the one going back to the Moose as he is waiver exempt.... unless he stays in Europe this season, which wouldn't surprise me.

Jets need to get the D figured out in short order as if they waive Stanley or Chisholm, they will get picked up quickly by another team like Kovecevic. One would think that Copabianco would see the waiver wire but who knows with this mgmt group....

If he gets to “average” with his skating, he’s still at least 9th on the depth chart. He doesn’t have the hockey IQ to play in the NHL. He just spams point shots and loses his man in the cycle
- Rexypoo

a depth signing, he will be used much like the past year or so. Perhaps moved at the deadline to accomodate his wish to move along.

I wouldn't, way too much cap space tied up in goaltending, totally not worth it and it'd basically be unmovable.
- JetFuel

its a lot tied up in goaltending and the risk is an injury at a key time of year advantage goes to platoon system with 2 goalies getting paid about 4-5m each. That said I believe in a star goalie that wins a few the team doesn't deserve and has potential to heat up and go on a winning run. I would like to see what a rested Helle can do, play him 50 or 55 games and then ride him in the playoffs. Not so much for physical rest but the mental rest that being the best requires.

There would be no problem moving a 2-3 year 10m contract for 37. If injured there is LTIR, if his play falls off someone will take a chance on him because of his track record. At worst will have to retain some cap.