You're right, that's why the moves made this summer have been about dumping that previous year team and getting back closer to that 2022 team.
- SuperHenderson13

And what did that 2022 team accomplish? Oh yeah a 1st rd elimination. Pens haven't won a series in 5 yrs...not likely to wi a series in next 5 yrs either

And what did that 2022 team accomplish? Oh yeah a 1st rd elimination. Pens haven't won a series in 5 yrs...not likely to wi a series in next 5 yrs either
- hfc355

They can’t accept their team is irrelevant now and for probably another 10 years 😂

I’m not gona be as hard on the pens as some in here.
I kinda like the move. EK has dealt with his injuries and was fantastic last year. They’re trying to win while they have 2 franchise centers still on the team, plus Letang.. then you have Guentzel, Rust, and Reilly Smith, who are also good. Yes Jarry is inconsistent. Helle may have cost more than EK. Having one of EK or Letang on the ice for the majority of the game is pretty epic for whatever forward like is on with them. EKs contract is irrelevant to me. Yes it’s a lot, but they’re trying to win. They can buy him out or let him suffer or maybe if he’s still decent they can trade him in years 3 or 4.
I like them going for it- as opposed to trading away Malkin and Letang and let Crosby rot with no help. They have more than enough elite talent. Yes health will be an issue but it always is. I think Crosby is usually healthy and EK may be good to go after the foot. Malkin and Letang were always hit or miss yet they’d still make the playoffs. I’m more for them going for it with EK than blowing it up while the core 3 are still good.

I’m not gona be as hard on the pens as some in here.
I kinda like the move. EK has dealt with his injuries and was fantastic last year. They’re trying to win while they have 2 franchise centers still on the team, plus Letang.. then you have Guentzel, Rust, and Reilly Smith, who are also good. Yes Jarry is inconsistent. Helle may have cost more than EK. Having one of EK or Letang on the ice for the majority of the game is pretty epic for whatever forward like is on with them. EKs contract is irrelevant to me. Yes it’s a lot, but they’re trying to win. They can buy him out or let him suffer or maybe if he’s still decent they can trade him in years 3 or 4.
I like them going for it- as opposed to trading away Malkin and Letang and let Crosby rot with no help. They have more than enough elite talent. Yes health will be an issue but it always is. I think Crosby is usually healthy and EK may be good to go after the foot. Malkin and Letang were always hit or miss yet they’d still make the playoffs. I’m more for them going for it with EK than blowing it up while the core 3 are still good.
- MartysBetter88

Couldn't get past the first sentence. Didn't have enough emojis in it to keep my attention.

I’m not gona be as hard on the pens as some in here.
I kinda like the move. EK has dealt with his injuries and was fantastic last year. They’re trying to win while they have 2 franchise centers still on the team, plus Letang.. then you have Guentzel, Rust, and Reilly Smith, who are also good. Yes Jarry is inconsistent. Helle may have cost more than EK. Having one of EK or Letang on the ice for the majority of the game is pretty epic for whatever forward like is on with them. EKs contract is irrelevant to me. Yes it’s a lot, but they’re trying to win. They can buy him out or let him suffer or maybe if he’s still decent they can trade him in years 3 or 4.
I like them going for it- as opposed to trading away Malkin and Letang and let Crosby rot with no help. They have more than enough elite talent. Yes health will be an issue but it always is. I think Crosby is usually healthy and EK may be good to go after the foot. Malkin and Letang were always hit or miss yet they’d still make the playoffs. I’m more for them going for it with EK than blowing it up while the core 3 are still good.
- MartysBetter88

Agree with you. I really like the move a lot for the Pens. Theres no risk to it. They really gave up nothing outside of the 1st round pick, and they rid themselves of multiple washed/overpaid players. They're already toast long term(though they had a good recent draft), so i have no issue with them trying to go for it in the final few years of the Crosby/Malkin/Letang era. He's miles better than Petry, who he's replacing. There's really no reason to not like it for the Pens lol.

Their depth might not be great, but when healthy their top 6 forwards and top 4 D is pretty solid. And Jarry, when healthy(obviously a big concern), is a good goalie. Idk how far they'll get, but if they stay healthy they'll certainly be in the playoff race. Then once you get in, anything can happen.

Pens gave up virtually nothing for Ek. Shed garbage contracts, and got rid of a terrible goalie, all while keeping their prospects. I don't get how that's a bad thing

If you're the Penguins you should go for it every season Crosby, Malkin, and Letang are on the team. Crosby put up great numbers last season and is still an amazingly effective player. Really the issue with age is going to be the injury trouble they get into.

Karlsson had one of the best offensive seasons for a defenseman ever last season and is a unique player in that he plays exactly no defense to generate elite offense. It's odd to say any team has that quality already since nobody else in the league is like Karlsson.

Something that is more noteworthy about the trade is that Grier has consistently traded poorly. Burns, Meier, and now Karlsson with lackluster returns. Probably should just be blowing up that roster in full and go for the hard rebuild right now.

Couldn't get past the first sentence. Didn't have enough emojis in it to keep my attention.
- Pomegrant

Ah damnit

Pens gave up virtually nothing for Ek. Shed garbage contracts, and got rid of a terrible goalie, all while keeping their prospects. I don't get how that's a bad thing
- Devils91

Gave up a 1st..a 2nd and tied up 10M for 4 yrs with EK . That's the bad

Gave up a 1st..a 2nd and tied up 10M for 4 yrs with EK . That's the bad
- hfc355

so what? 15th overall pick isn't changing your franchise around.

so what? 15th overall pick isn't changing your franchise around.
- Pomegrant

Not usually but it helps and it's a start to a rebuild. Glad the Pens did it and understand why they did as it is only going to delay them being relevant again for many yrs

Not usually but it helps and it's a start to a rebuild. Glad the Pens did it and understand why they did as it is only going to delay them being relevant again for many yrs
- hfc355

It was never an option to rebuild as long as Crosby, Malkin, and Letang are still there. The only option was going all in and trying to win while they're still playing at an elite level. They added the Norris trophy winner for peanuts. Even if he regresses, which is expected, he's still the best or 2nd best D on their team.

There really is nothing to dislike about this from the Pens perspective.

Not usually but it helps and it's a start to a rebuild. Glad the Pens did it and understand why they did as it is only going to delay them being relevant again for many yrs
- hfc355

A mid round 1st doesn't matter. Unless you're getting the highest end draft picks you're not getting elite talent the majority of the time. Look at a roster like Detroit in which they got really bad lottery luck, got some decent young players but nobody truly elite and now they are transitioning into trying to make the playoffs. Don't really think it's a viable or relevant strategy.

A mid round 1st doesn't matter. Unless you're getting the highest end draft picks you're not getting elite talent the majority of the time. Look at a roster like Detroit in which they got really bad lottery luck, got some decent young players but nobody truly elite and now they are transitioning into trying to make the playoffs. Don't really think it's a viable or relevant strategy.
- Pomegrant

Hmmmm.....guess who was a #15 overall pick??? None other than your EK....and by the way Letang was a #62 pick. Yep good drafting is not a viable strategy

I'm a Pens fan and I couldn't disagree with this take more. The contract, I don't think is of concern. The plan is to make one final push with this core and then do a rebuild proper. Bad contracts won't matter in a few years when the team is destined to be in the cellar. And when that happens, that's fine and I'm sure the Pens will try to build a rebuild through top draft picks.

The Penguins finally seem aligned on their vision between the coaching staff and GM. That vision is to play a speed game - high octane hockey. Having Letang or Karlsson on the ice 50 minutes per game will help that. Karlsson should also IMMENSELY help a disappointing Pens power play, and that alone could be the difference of a few wins and maybe even a playoff series win. EK will be RD2, so he should in theory be shielded somewhat from top offensive players if Sullivan is playing matchups.

I'm not convinced this makes the Pens a cup contender or even a favorite in the Metro, but Dubas is doing a great job changing this team on the fly and if they're in a playoff position maybe a few more tweaks are made at the trade deadline.

If the Pens don't win, it's going to at least be fun to watch. So I'm all for this move.

EDIT: OK I take some of my first sentence back, I did NOT like the Jarry contract or really even the signing. It was time for a new direction there IMO.
- mkrisnosky

The best that the Pens can hope for, is a Wildcard spot. They're not beating the Canes, Rangers or Devils. They could get 4th, but they still could miss, with the Atlantic so stacked and 3 teams coming up strong from behind. Bruins, Lightning, Panthers and Leafs are probably in. Ottawa, Buffalo and Detroit are young, solid teams. If one of these teams get good goaltending, they'll get the second wildcard. Pens should have punted on Jarry and stayed away from that millstone contract of Karlsson. It makes no sense.

But you havent answered my question of why no other team has stepped up to get Hellebuyck if he's so desperately needed.

You realize we took the Rangers to game 7 OT with our 3rd string goalie playing most of the series and Crosby missing game time in that series, right?
- SuperHenderson13

I’d guess nobody has stepped up to get Helley because the ask is ridiculous; meaning either the trade cost or maybe extending his contract. Possibly both.

The karlsson trade will definitely help the lens, especially if he and the pens stay healthy

I doubt he has a season like he did last season as the pens won't rely just on karlsson like the sharks seemed to do

The pens PP will be pretty good

It's the defense and goalie that will questionable

I can see the pens as a wildcard team or 3rd in division

I feel everyone thinks we as pens fans now think we are going to win the cup all of a sudden. We moved a 35 yr old injury prone d man who cost 5m, a 33 yr old injury prone Dman who cost 2.75m, and a 5m forward who just didn’t mesh at all for Karlsson. Having a first next year would be good but oh well.

This is about doing their best to be successful in any way, selling tickets and jerseys, and entertainment. It’s august and I’ve spent a ridiculous amount of time thinking about hockey because of this. It’s awesome.

And every metropolitan forum, or person I know who is a fan of a metro team (or Toronto/Montreal) has a lot to say about this trade, which only heightens the entertainment value of this trade.

Devils have signed Cal Foote to a one year, two-way deal. 800k/350k.

Devils have signed Cal Foote to a one year, two-way deal. 800k/350k.
- vlongo4419

Sweet make nolan happy

Devils have signed Cal Foote to a one year, two-way deal. 800k/350k.
- vlongo4419

What other brothers can we get?

What other brothers can we get?
- dmarsden2988

Bellamy.

Bellamy.

- Queenie_5_hole

Wayans

https://thehockeynews.com...ly-announces-fighting-ban

What a dumb ass decision. Fighting is 100% necessary! Sometimes the refs don’t see the dirty poop other teams pull and sometimes they see it and don’t do anything.

If the other team just keeps getting away playing dirty, fighting is the only answer. Kids from this league are gonna be soft as puppy poop.

Sometimes the only choice is Texas Justice. Banning fights is a horrible idea.

https://thehockeynews.com/.amp/news/qmjhl-officially-announces-fighting-ban

What a dumb ass decision. Fighting is 100% necessary! Sometimes the refs don’t see the dirty poop other teams pull and sometimes they see it and don’t do anything.

If the other team just keeps getting away playing dirty, fighting is the only answer. Kids from this league are gonna be soft as puppy poop.

Sometimes the only choice is Texas Justice. Banning fights is a horrible idea.
- jtylerm

It's just the decay of the game that is going to eventually ruin the sport.

My son plays High School and Travel hockey. They have different rules. High School is similar to the AHL style game. Travel is under USA hockey. USA Hockey no longer allows you to separate the player from the puck. Meaning if you check a player perfectly clean without touching/playing the puck when you engage, it's a penalty. And it's making the game ridiculous. They also still call icing on PK, which is also surprising.

My kid plays defense. Last season he was backing up while a forward entered the zone. My kid slowed up and basically stopped in front of the forward..... The forward skated into him because the forward had his head down watching the puck.... and they called a penalty on him (the defender). The call was roughing. It's horrible. No hands out. No shoulder to the head or upper body. The forward literally skated into my kids chest..