It is Sutter/Roenick Day! #27. {I could not choose between them.}
I think Arizona might be an interesting watch this year.

Looks like the gm from the Habs is trying to do what KD is doing. He's really not as good at it.

What is Stevie doing?
- BetweenTheDots

Probably realizing that he needs more stability in the back end if he really thinks this roster can make the playoffs.

Definitely some head scratchers with guys like Holl, and Matt’s, and the Copp move doesn’t seem to be working yet, but they look more competitive now than at the end of last year on paper.

It is Sutter/Roenick Day! #27. {I could not choose between them.}
I think Arizona might be an interesting watch this year.
- bjphawkfan

You mean Oduya day!!

Looks like the gm from the Habs is trying to do what KD is doing. He's really not as good at it.

What is Stevie doing?
- BetweenTheDots

Guess I'll have to read about the trade to see what this does for MTL but for the Wings they got the right shot D they badly needed, probably at 35 still a top 4 Dman. They get him for 2.3 mil for 2 yrs and he replaces Hronek who they traded in season last yr.

After Seider and Holl DET had no right shot Dman. In 61 games for PIT last yr Petry averaged .5 pts per game. ....... All of Stevie Y's moves in trades and FA the last yr seemingly ends the DET rebuild.

Too soon? We'll see as the Wings challenged for a playoff spot late into last season and with signing Ghost and Compher and trading for Petry this offseason DET definitely aims at challenging for a playoff spot.

Looks like the gm from the Habs is trying to do what KD is doing. He's really not as good at it.

What is Stevie doing?
- BetweenTheDots

Whatever he's doing, it is clearly correct. The rest of the GM's play checkers; Stevie plays chess, Chief.

Looks like the gm from the Habs is trying to do what KD is doing. He's really not as good at it.

What is Stevie doing?
- BetweenTheDots

Nothing like some homerism.

I have a rather unique situation brewing.
I was contacted around the 2023 draft by a Finnish kid who wanted me to add him to draft.
I wanted to gauge validity and so started asking questions and he was very naive to the situation of representation, and exposure.
I added his name to an initial list of 2024 as I was starting to fill it.
I suggested he contact Elite Prospects to add his profile and add his "representation."
Since then he is up there on their site, as so many profiles, but no rep/agent listed.

I continued to add 2024 prospects that I was fairly certain will get drafted and my list grew.

Today, he sent me an email on why he dropped in my rankings.
I mean the season hasn't started.
Last year he played in U18 Mestis for SaPKo U18 and had four assists playing both defense and some shifts up front.

I am at a loss with a reply.

His name is Pauli Makkonen...

and exactly who the frank am I that you need my favorable ranking?

I've been having an ongoing conversation with a Rangers fan friend of mine. Overall, he's happy with what the team has done (save for the trade for Kane), but we had a long conversation about luck.

The Rangers tore down and got back to back 2nd and 1st overall picks and came away with Kakko and Lafreniere. Obviously, we have to wait to see what picks like Bedard, KK, Nazar, and Moore turn into, but simply by lucking into the first pick at the right time, the Hawks seem to be set up much better than NYR.
- Chunk

Yeah but it's not the draft picks that run that team. It's Fox who flew under the radar until he didn't and Zib who was a bust until he wasn't. Plus the best goalie in the league, again, helps.

some good trades and quality FA acquisitions is what built that team in NY more so than the high draft picks.

Yeah but it's not the draft picks that run that team. It's Fox who flew under the radar until he didn't and Zib who was a bust until he wasn't. Plus the best goalie in the league, again, helps.

some good trades and quality FA acquisitions is what built that team in NY more so than the high draft picks.
- fattybeef

Which makes it even more egregious I think. They’ve done good on the trade and FA front then in position to draft what should be two very high end players and they’ve thus far struggled to live up to their status (not unlike Dach).

I would think the Hawks route would be a bit more sustainable, or at least last longer since the plan seems to be more build through the draft vs acquisitions (at least up to this point). Longer time to higher contracts and more team control. Just need to hit on more of the picks.

Nothing like some homerism.
- LAHawk

Isn't that the same guy who traded the 31st and 37th pick in 2023 for Alex Newhook? In supposedly a deep draft? Yea glad he's not running this team. Pick a lane.

Isn't that the same guy who traded the 31st and 37th pick in 2023 for Alex Newhook? In supposedly a deep draft? Yea glad he's not running this team. Pick a lane.
- BetweenTheDots

I never read where Gordon is following the KD tearing it down to the studs that you believe is the only way to build a team. Looks like the Newhook trade is similar to Gordon’s trade last year for Dach. Same development pattern. Gorton probably got the top defensive prospect in the draft with the #5 pick. But you believe Gorton has failed ( your words) in rebuilding the Canadiens, because he traded 2 draft picks for a former #16 pick who is 22 years old, and isn’t following the KD plan. Where has Gorton deviated from Gorton’s plan?

But you believe 32 GM’s besides KD are dumb or stupid. Yes homerism

Yeah but it's not the draft picks that run that team. It's Fox who flew under the radar until he didn't and Zib who was a bust until he wasn't. Plus the best goalie in the league, again, helps.

some good trades and quality FA acquisitions is what built that team in NY more so than the high draft picks.
- fattybeef

It also helps that Fox, Trouba, and Panarin had little interest in playing anywhere else.

I never read where Gordon is following the KD tearing it down to the studs that you believe is the only way to build a team. Looks like the Newhook trade is similar to Gordon’s trade last year for Dach. Same development pattern. Gorton probably got the top defensive prospect in the draft with the #5 pick. But you believe Gorton has failed ( your words) in rebuilding the Canadiens, because he traded 2 draft picks for a former #16 pick who is 22 years old, and isn’t following the KD plan. Where has Gorton deviated from Gorton’s plan?

But you believe 32 GM’s besides KD are dumb or stupid. Yes homerism
- LAHawk

You are really good at exaggerating. Not all 32, but this guy needs a map cause he's lost. So you think he's a good GM? Okay

It's not the only way to rebuild a team but it's a very effective way if you commit to it. I don't want to rely on a gm who has to be right about every FA he signs or trades for.

Or trade for a player who's broken and hopefully the surgery works to make him a top player again.

Or count on aTkachuk who doesn't want to play for Calgary and forces his way out.

You are really good at exaggerating. Not all 32, but this guy needs a map cause he's lost. So you think he's a good GM? Okay

It's not the only way to rebuild a team but it's a very effective way if you commit to it. I don't want to rely on a gm who has to be right about every FA he signs or trades for.

Or trade for a player who's broken and hopefully the surgery works to make him a top player again.

Or count on aTkachuk who doesn't want to play for Calgary and forces his way out.
- BetweenTheDots

Trading for a broken player hoping surgery works seemed to work ok for Vegas.

You are really good at exaggerating. Not all 32, but this guy needs a map cause he's lost. So you think he's a good GM? Okay

It's not the only way to rebuild a team but it's a very effective way if you commit to it. I don't want to rely on a gm who has to be right about every FA he signs or trades for.

Or trade for a player who's broken and hopefully the surgery works to make him a top player again.

Or count on aTkachuk who doesn't want to play for Calgary and forces his way out.
- BetweenTheDots

Margin for error is pretty small considering the cap and how difficult it can be to shed money. While GM's don't have to be right 100% of the time they have to have a pretty good run of luck to put together a competitive team and then hope everything goes right from there.

Isn't that the same guy who traded the 31st and 37th pick in 2023 for Alex Newhook? In supposedly a deep draft? Yea glad he's not running this team. Pick a lane.
- BetweenTheDots

The idea of adding 22 year Newhook for those picks is the kind of strategy we will see the Hawks establishing after these kids are all playing.
You try to add young upside if you can.

Will that work out for Montreal?
I think after Suzuki, they probably think Dach is years away from being an NHL top 6 centre.
Long in the tooth Monahan is out on IR, Dvorak is there now, but Newhook fits in this mix in a possible area of need and he is making less than 3 million until 2027, so I understand the cost.

Yeah but it's not the draft picks that run that team. It's Fox who flew under the radar until he didn't and Zib who was a bust until he wasn't. Plus the best goalie in the league, again, helps.

some good trades and quality FA acquisitions is what built that team in NY more so than the high draft picks.
- fattybeef

Drury has them going in reverse, terrible deadline trades.

The idea of adding 22 year Newhook for those picks is the kind of strategy we will see the Hawks establishing after these kids are all playing.
You try to add young upside if you can.

Will that work out for Montreal?
I think after Suzuki, they probably think Dach is years away from being an NHL top 6 centre.
Long in the tooth Monahan is out on IR, Dvorak is there now, but Newhook fits in this mix in a possible area of need and he is making less than 3 million until 2027, so I understand the cost.
- wiz1901

I understand what they are trying to do but to me it makes more sense if I'm going to be drafting dmen in the 1st round, top 20 picks i have time to aquire forwards and develop them.

This trade smells like the one Ottawa made for Cat, and i kept saying how are they going to sign Cat to his next contract, they didn't and they gifted us the 7th pick in the draft. 39th pick and we get one next year.

I guess we'll see.

I understand what they are trying to do but to me it makes more sense if I'm going to be drafting dmen in the 1st round, top 20 picks i have time to aquire forwards and develop them.

This trade smells like the one Ottawa made for Cat, and i kept saying how are they going to sign Cat to his next contract, they didn't and they gifted us the 7th pick in the draft. 39th pick and we get one next year.

I guess we'll see.
- BetweenTheDots

If you're comparing the Newhook trade vs the OTT Cat trade, it's kind of apples and oranges. Newhook's had a couple seasons where he's barely hit 30 pts plus his current deal runs through the '26/'27 season.

Whatever he's doing, it is clearly correct. The rest of the GM's play checkers; Stevie plays chess, Chief.
- mohel

All I'll comment on his greatness, is if I was a Wings fan, I don't think I'd be doing back flips as my GM just put us into Cup contention with the acquisition of a 35 yr old Jeff Petry.

That's a Stan move if I've ever seen one.

Can you imagine the Sh!t KD would be getting here for a similar move 2 years from now?

All I'll comment on his greatness, is if I was a Wings fan, I don't think I'd be doing back flips as my GM just put us into Cup contention with the acquisition of a 35 yr old Jeff Petry.

That's a Stan move if I've ever seen one.

Can you imagine the Sh!t KD would be getting here for a similar move 2 years from now?
- vabeachbear

He won’t have to make a move like that. The’ll still have Jones and Murphy. 😁👍

He won’t have to make a move like that. The’ll still have Jones and Murphy. 😁👍
- Chunk

but KD didn't make those moves.

but KD didn't make those moves.
- powerenforcer

Aren't his "non"-moves defacto moves?

All I'll comment on his greatness, is if I was a Wings fan, I don't think I'd be doing back flips as my GM just put us into Cup contention with the acquisition of a 35 yr old Jeff Petry.

That's a Stan move if I've ever seen one.

Can you imagine the Sh!t KD would be getting here for a similar move 2 years from now?
- vabeachbear

Same with Holl and the Ghost. They now have four defensemen over 30, and one of the younger ones is Maatta, ffs.

I suspect Stevie got a tap on the shoulder, with the tapper saying "this rebuild best be kicking in real soon, Chief".

Drury has them going in reverse, terrible deadline trades.
- vabeachbear

Zib is 30, Trocheck is 30, Panarin is over 30, Kreider is over 30, Trouba will be 30 this season. Kind of have to win now with their better players starting to age out. A prospect doesn't really help them for 3 or 4 years and by that time their older players will be past their peak.

Most players spend another year in the minors and regardless of how much time they spend down there they need 2-3 years in the NHL before they start to hit their stride.

Its very much win now time for New York.